Why You Should Consider John Ramsey G...

Since: Mar 07

Brea, CA

#22 Jun 4, 2008
sunshine wrote:
So do most of you agree with my point that John Ramsey had an intimate, emotional relationship with the killer beyond what you would have with an average acquaintance?
Or that John Ramsey killed Jonbenet himself?
Is this not what this case boils down to?
The killer was not a stranger, the killer was from the "inside", those facts alone dictate the situation for you, it makes the crime much easier to solve. You're able to narrow down your pool of suspects greatly, to only the people who were on the "inside", and had an intimate and emotional relationship with John Ramsey!
John should have a pretty good idea as to who the killer is right?
Certainly John knows Fleet because Fleet rented a house next door to the Ramsey house before he bought his own. Yes Fleet who accidentally called 911 before the murder, Fleet who knew where the Ramseys Charlevoix house key was kept when someone slept ON Jonbenet`s bed before her murder, Fleet who was down in the basement at 6:15 the morning of the murder, but claims that he didn`t know where the light switch was to the room that he`d gotten wine from 3 days before. Fleet who knew the amount of John`s bonus and which steps the Ramseys used to leave the Ransom note on. Fleet the family friend who once a week baby sitted Jonbenet and even changed her underpants. Interesting questions. Had Jonbenet been molested before the murder by someone that she trusted? had Jonbenet been fed pineapple at the White`s house by someone that she trusted? Who says that it wasn`t a conspiracy and a hired kill? If the pineapple found at the Ramsey`s house was actually the Ramseys pineapple then # 1 why deny it, it means nothing & #2 Where`s the pineapple rind if it was the Ramseys pineapple??????? Fleet fits the bill for all of your questions and what about the book left at the murder in Danish? Fleets mother being Norwegian could read Danish. Fits no one else. SBTC Victory Fits sailing person Fleet Victory signed by the Captain!!!
Rashomon

Ehrenkirchen, Germany

#24 Jun 4, 2008
sunshine wrote:
I believe its time to focus all of our attention on the one person with the greatest burden of getting this crime solved and that is John Ramsey. And I truly believe that he has the information to get this crime solved but just isn't telling anyone for some strange reason. And now that John Ramsey has decided to run for public office again, I feel like it's time for John Ramsey to give the public some answers before doing so. To the people who say that John Ramsey killed Jonbenet and is guilty of this crime, I say you may be right, but only half right. I believe that John Ramsey did not kill his own daughter, but I do believe that he is guilty of covering up for who did commit this crime for some strange reason. And we all know that the cover up is just as bad as the crime itself. Unfortunately for John Ramsey this case comes down to two scenerios and both of them are bad for John Ramsey. Either, he killed Jonbenet or, someone who was intimately involved in a relationship with very high emotions for John Ramsey, killed Jonbenet. And I think that says it all. The killer's focus was clearly on John Ramsey and only John Ramsey because he is the only person that was mentioned by name over and over again in the ransom note! It is an obvious fact that this killer was no stranger to the Ramsey's. If I were to speak directly to John Ramsey I would say; Mr. Ramsey, this killer knew about your bank and your banking, he knew that you lived in the south for a time, he used words that you would recognize such as the words "fat cat" and "grow a brain". The killer was sneaking around your house on XMAS day. The killer spoke as if he was someone of authority and highly educated, which means that the killer could have some kind of wealth most likely on your level or more, after all, he would have been a friend of yours. With that said this killer would have had to have a family of his own somewhere to be with on XMAS day that he decided to abandon to be close to you. Unlike a drifter who may not have a family life of his own, this killer most likely had a family. So why Mr. Ramsey was this crime which was committed in this manner so important to this killer? You must have been able to figure it out after almost 12 years? The level of emotions exhibited from the killer in this crime towards you, combined with the killer's intimate knowledge of your personal life in my opinion proves that you are hiding something. At this point I don't need to know how much you know about the killer because the killer tells us everything we need to know about your relationship with him. But the public has a right to know what you are hiding. Over almost 12 years now you must know who was talking to you in the ransom notes. This person did kill your daughter brutally after all.
This is former poster 'Undertheradar', for those who remember him ...

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#25 Jun 4, 2008
sunshine wrote:
So do most of you agree with my point that John Ramsey had an intimate, emotional relationship with the killer beyond what you would have with an average acquaintance?
Doesn't look like anyone agrees with you or Detroit either one under roo!

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

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#26 Jun 4, 2008
Rashomon wrote:
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This is former poster 'Undertheradar', for those who remember him ...
No doubt.
Niner

Palo Alto, CA

#27 Jun 4, 2008
[QUOTE who="DETROIT]snip...
had Jonbenet been fed pineapple at the White`s house by someone that she trusted? Who says that it wasn`t a conspiracy and a hired kill? If the pineapple found at the Ramsey`s house was actually the Ramseys pineapple then # 1 why deny it, it means nothing & #2 Where`s the pineapple rind if it was the Ramseys pineapple???????[/quote]

aaahhh - I believe the BPD ALREADY matched up the pineapple rind with the 'fresh' pineapple that was left in their refrigerator... At least that is what I do recall!

[quote]Fleet fits the bill for all of your questions and what about the book left at the murder in Danish? Fleets mother being Norwegian could read Danish.[/QUOTE]

hmmm... now THIS is a new one on me?? A book in Danish?? And a Norwegian COULD read Danish?? I do believe they are TWO distinct different languages D!
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#28 Jun 4, 2008
Right on the Money wrote:
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HE REPRESSED IT? And you know this how?
I'm sorry I used a big word.

Since: Mar 07

Brea, CA

#29 Jun 4, 2008
Niner wrote:
<quoted text>
hmmm... now THIS is a new one on me?? A book in Danish?? And a Norwegian COULD read Danish?? I do believe they are TWO distinct different languages D!
Danish, Swedish & Norwegian are 3 separate languages. Danes and Swedes are both of Viking lineage, but Norwegians are newcomers to the area, having fled there to live when the Chinese Mongol warlords marched into the areas where the Norwegians formerly lived. Norwegians being so few are forced to be able to speak several languages for trade and survival. Danes and Swedes have much larger populations and think little of Norwegians. Thus a Norwegian could probably speak Danish, but a Dane wouldn`t likely be able to speak Norwegian. I believe that I read somewhere that Fleets mother could read Danish, but that Fleet can`t.

Since: Mar 07

Brea, CA

#30 Jun 4, 2008
Niner wrote:
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hmmm... now THIS is a new one on me?? A book in Danish?? And a Norwegian COULD read Danish?? I do believe they are TWO distinct different languages D!
As do most RDI`s, you play loosely with the facts. Police stated that the pineapple in Jonbenet`s system matched the pineapple in the bowl on the table down to the rind. A Candy Rose nor any other source states ANYWHERE that any rind was found at the Ramseys house or in the trash, PERIOD. Some small amount of rind was still on the fresh pineapple THAT WAS ON THE TABLE. No RIND WAS FOUND THERE OTHER THAN ON THE PINEAPPLE ITSELF-NOR WAS ANY PINEAPPLE FOUND IN THE FRIDGE AS YOU CLAIM. Ramseys normally ate canned pineapple and had several cans in their pantry. IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR THEM TO STATE THAT JONBENET WASN`T GIVEN PINEAPPLE BY THEM UNLESS SHE WASN`T. If they had given her pineapple why not say so???

The only way that the pineapple makes any sense is this-Gary`s the Michigan OCCK killer and Gary claims to have killed Jonbenet for Fleet. The Michigan victims were all washed and redressed after dead as was Jonbenet redressed in WED underwear. The last of the Michigan victims Tim King`s parents stated on TV that Tim loved KFC chicken and as a last meal before Gary killed Tim he served him chicken and it was found partly digested in his body, just like Gary reenacted the crime with Jonbenet getting her favorite pineapple as a last meal. At both crimes a pubic hair was left.

The cases are strikingly similar-served favorite food as last meal before murder, pubic hair left, victims redressed and washed after dead. All Michigan victims abducted on WED on/near Holidays as Jonbenet was killed on WED on Christmas.

No other reason for the pineapple-None.

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Since: Nov 06

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#31 Jun 5, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text> I believe that I read somewhere that Fleets mother could read Danish, but that Fleet can`t.
Please provide a source, TIA.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

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#32 Jun 5, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text> Fleet who knew where the Ramseys Charlevoix house key was kept
Please provide a source for this "fact", TIA.
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text> when someone slept ON Jonbenet`s bed before her murder, Fleet who was down in the basement at 6:15 the morning of the murder, but claims that he didn`t know where the light switch was to the room that he`d gotten wine from 3 days before.
Please provide a source for the "fact" that IF FW went to the basement during the party on the 23rd, that the light wasn't already on, TIA.
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text> Fleet the family friend who once a week baby sitted Jonbenet and even changed her underpants.
Please provide a source to your "fact" that FW was JBR's babysitter ONCE A WEEK, and also please provide a source that PROVES FW "changed" JBR's underwear after she had an accident as opposed to "provided JBR with a pair of DRY underwear, TIA.
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text> If the pineapple found at the Ramsey`s house was actually the Ramseys pineapple then # 1 why deny it, it means nothing & #2 Where`s the pineapple rind if it was the Ramseys pineapple???????
Patsy never denied it was her pineapple, just that she was not the one who put the bowl on the counter. She also never denied it was her bowl.
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text> Fleets mother being Norwegian could read Danish.
Please provide a source for this statement, TIA.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#33 Jun 5, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>As do most RDI`s, you play loosely with the facts.
This is a new poster to Topix, why are you insulting them? Can you prove this poster is RDI? At least this poster is not spreading untruths like all the Gary stuff, LMAO.
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>Some small amount of rind was still on the fresh pineapple THAT WAS ON THE TABLE.
It would be kind of hard for the rind STILL ATTACHED to the pineapple not to be "consistent with" the pineapple it is attached to, don't you think? Oh wait - no you don't! By the way, have you read the Thomas book?
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>Ramseys normally ate canned pineapple
Please provide a source for this, TIA.
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>The only way that the pineapple makes any sense is this-Gary`s...
Please provide a source, TIA.
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#34 Jun 5, 2008
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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Please provide a source for this "fact", TIA.
<quoted text>
Please provide a source for the "fact" that IF FW went to the basement during the party on the 23rd, that the light wasn't already on, TIA.
<quoted text>
Please provide a source to your "fact" that FW was JBR's babysitter ONCE A WEEK, and also please provide a source that PROVES FW "changed" JBR's underwear after she had an accident as opposed to "provided JBR with a pair of DRY underwear, TIA.
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Patsy never denied it was her pineapple, just that she was not the one who put the bowl on the counter. She also never denied it was her bowl.
<quoted text>
Please provide a source for this statement, TIA.
I agree with Detroit about Fleet White.

I don't think Fleet and Priscila lived next door to the Ramseys. It was a few houses down, with a connecting back garden path. The Whites had moved to their new house in Boulder by the time of the JonBenet murder.

There was supposed to be a family living at that former Fleet rental house, near the Ramseys, in Christmas 1996. Jameson has mentioned at least once that she's not at all sure if that former Fleet White rental house was properly checked out, or if that family were actually in the house that Christmas 1996.

Fleet White definitely had been given a Ramsey house key. This is part of what Patsy said about the matter of house keys in April 1997 to Steve Thomas:

PR:(Coughing, response unknown) Excuse me. Uh, my cleaning lady had a key, Linda. The Barnhills I believe actually gave two keys, because I had given her one and she couldnít find it. I think I gave them another one? Uh, Barbara Fernie had one at one time, Iím not sure. I think I might have gotten that back from her. Pricilla had one I believe. Uh ...

ST: Does Pricilla still have that key?

PR: I donít know. I canít remember. It seems like I gave it to her before we went to the lake, because she was going to have a lot of house guest and I thought if she wanted to, you know, use the house for any reason she could have the key.

ST: What is the status of the key or keys that you gave the Barnhills?

PR: The status right now?

ST: Yeah. Have you gotten those back?

PR: I havenít, no, I donít know where they are. I donít know what the status is of those?

ST: Would it be inaccurate if the Barnhills were saying that they returned the key to you? Could that be possible?

PR: Um, it could be possible I guess. I donít remember, and I think, I think I gave it to them and the intent was if I got, anybody got locked out of the house they would have a key. So I donít, I mean, it wasnít like, you know, keep this for two days and then give it back to me or something, you know.
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#35 Jun 5, 2008
This is what was said about the Danish book in the 1998 Patsy interview. It is another mystery. It's corrrect that Fleet's mother is, I think, of Norwegian descent.

Tom Haney didn't seem certain that Danish book was actually there. It could have been another plant. Patsy certainly didn't seem to know anything about it:

12 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about everybody in

13 your room on your bedroom dresser there was a book by

14 David Pilgram (phonetic), a Danish book.

15 PATSY RAMSEY: Not good at remembering

16 authors.

17 TOM HANEY: I think this was in Danish. Do

18 you read different languages?

19 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

20 TOM HANEY: Would John, does he?

21 PATSY RAMSEY: No. It was written in Danish?

22 TOM HANEY: That is my understanding.

23 TRIP DEMUTH: Yeah.

24 PATSY RAMSEY: What kind of book?

25 TOM HANEY: I don't read it.

0446

1 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. Not familiar.
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#36 Jun 5, 2008
Fleet and Priscilla certainly were involved in the babysitting of JonBenet prior to the murder. I agree that isn't evidence of prior sexual abuse, but it does make you think:

18 TRIP DeMUTH: Would Fleet ever

19 baby-sit the children?

20 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I knew one

21 time in particular John, we were all up at the

22 lake, up at Charles Lake and John had to fly to

23 New York to do some business, New York City, and

24 Melinda was up there and the Whites. And

25 Priscilla said -- she said, "John is going to

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1 New York, let's go shopping for the day."

2 And I said, "who would keep the

3 kids?"

4 She said, "oh, Fleet can take care

5 of the kids."

6 I said, "oh, you're kidding."

7 She said, "no, come on, it would be

8 really fun, let's just go over there for the

9 day." I said okay.

10 So Melinda and Priscilla and myself

11 and Mike Archuleta and John flew to Manhattan,

12 John did his business there, and Priscilla and

13 Melinda and I and Mike Archuleta shopped around

14 for the day and then we flew back to Charles

15 Lake. When I got home, the house was a

16 disaster.

17 TRIP DeMUTH: How many times, how

18 often would Fleet be the baby-sitter for the

19 kids, that you can remember? Can you give me

20 any idea about that? Seldom, never, often?

21 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I would say

22 when if my kids were over there, it would not be

23 unusual that he would be the baby-sitter,

24 because she might go running around or whatever

25 and he would sit or vice versa.

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1 TRIP DeMUTH: And how often were

2 your kids over at his home?

3 PATSY RAMSEY: Maybe once a week.

4 We hadn't seen them a whole lot that fall,

5 because our children were going to different

6 schools. And that was a little sticking point

7 with Priscilla.
Capricorn

New York, NY

#37 Jun 5, 2008
You keep forgetting that nothing Patsy or John have to say is credible in a case where they are the ONLY suspects "officially" under that dang umbrella, and....nothing that you posted tells us anything at all except that once again, Patsy comes across as retarded with no memory for anything other than remembering that she doesn't know OR remember anything

Also, where in the world does this interview about the book refer to the Whites? Please provide a source where the White's family is Danish, reads Danish, etc.

Why aren't you suspicious of the Fernies? They had keys too, by Patsy's own words and YOU believe everything she says. Where are the suspicions about the Fernies? The Stines? Grandpa Paugh?
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#38 Jun 5, 2008
I think If Fleet White had previously visited the wine cellar JonBenet death room prior to the murder, it would have been highly unlikely that the wine cellar light had been left on. That room was latched and hidden away.

You don't have to be highly intelligent to find a light switch in a wine cellar. That's a lame excuse in my book for Fleet White to say he couldn't find the light switch, that is on Fleet's first visit to the basement soon after 6am, 26th December 1996.

This is what Steve Tholmas said about the pineapple rind in the 2001 Steve Thomas deposition. The pineapple in the Ramsey case is enough to get anybody's head spinning. I don't know if anybody can make any sense of this:

16 Q. About the rinds being identical?

17 A. That it was a fresh pineapple

18 consistent -- fresh pineapple with a rind.

19 Q. Rind being consistent -- oh, with

20 a rind but consistent with pineapple found in

21 the house or in the bowl?

22 A. Yeah, and let me clarify that,

23 pineapple consistent down to the rind with

24 pineapple found in the bowl in the kitchen.

25 Q. Consistent down to the rind. It

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1 seems to me pineapple with rind is pineapple

2 with rind. Was there something unique about

3 this particular rind?

4 A. I think they were able to

5 determine -- well, in fact, I know that

6 fellow Officer Weinheimer disclosed to us that

7 they were able to characterize it as a fresh

8 pineapple rather than a canned pineapple.

9 Q. Okay.
Nelly

AOL

#39 Jun 5, 2008
Henri McPhee wrote:
Fleet and Priscilla certainly were involved in the babysitting of JonBenet prior to the murder. I agree that isn't evidence of prior sexual abuse, but it does make you think:
18 TRIP DeMUTH: Would Fleet ever
19 baby-sit the children?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I knew one
21 time in particular John, we were all up at the
22 lake, up at Charles Lake and John had to fly to
23 New York to do some business, New York City, and
24 Melinda was up there and the Whites. And
25 Priscilla said -- she said, "John is going to
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1 New York, let's go shopping for the day."
2 And I said, "who would keep the
3 kids?"
4 She said, "oh, Fleet can take care
5 of the kids."
6 I said, "oh, you're kidding."
7 She said, "no, come on, it would be
8 really fun, let's just go over there for the
9 day." I said okay.
10 So Melinda and Priscilla and myself
11 and Mike Archuleta and John flew to Manhattan,
12 John did his business there, and Priscilla and
13 Melinda and I and Mike Archuleta shopped around
14 for the day and then we flew back to Charles
15 Lake. When I got home, the house was a
16 disaster.
17 TRIP DeMUTH: How many times, how
18 often would Fleet be the baby-sitter for the
19 kids, that you can remember? Can you give me
20 any idea about that? Seldom, never, often?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I would say
22 when if my kids were over there, it would not be
23 unusual that he would be the baby-sitter,
24 because she might go running around or whatever
25 and he would sit or vice versa.
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1 TRIP DeMUTH: And how often were
2 your kids over at his home?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Maybe once a week.
4 We hadn't seen them a whole lot that fall,
5 because our children were going to different
6 schools. And that was a little sticking point
7 with Priscilla.
does it make you think, HenriETTA? Think like,'oh, here's a man online everyday talking about a dead little girl and 'sexy' men...hmmm, what kind of pervert have we here?'? Think like that, you mean?

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#40 Jun 5, 2008
Henri McPhee wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with Detroit about Fleet White.
I don't think Fleet and Priscila lived next door to the Ramseys. It was a few houses down, with a connecting back garden path. The Whites had moved to their new house in Boulder by the time of the JonBenet murder.
Then how can you agree with Detroit who said they DID live next door? Do you ever put any thought into your posts?

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#41 Jun 5, 2008
Henri McPhee wrote:
It's corrrect that Fleet's mother is, I think, of Norwegian descent.
Would you provide YOUR source for she could READ DANISH? TIA.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#42 Jun 5, 2008
Henri McPhee wrote:
I think If Fleet White had previously visited the wine cellar JonBenet death room prior to the murder, it would have been highly unlikely that the wine cellar light had been left on. That room was latched and hidden away.
I don't think on the night of the party that it would be so farfetched. WHO would send someone to a "HIDDEN AWAY ROOM" to get wine in the first place Henri?

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