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#1 Nov 9, 2012
I thought I would post this not only because it is relevant but within the article are some lovely photos that many may or may not have ever seen

I am breaking up the link so it will post

http://abcne ws.go.c om/blogs/headlines/2012/03/jon benet-ramseys-father-says-her- unsolved-case-is-dead-killer-s till-at-large/

I found it rather interesting that he claims to have had hope and now he is content to let it "die", despite his "faith" giving him hope. There are a few remarks that he makes that are odd at best

It seemed like a lot of double speak IMO for the purpose of selling his book. It seems he only speaks of her when he has something to sell/hawk and you never hear from him in between

Regardless, some of the photos are really sweet and worth a look

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#2 Nov 9, 2012
Thanks for the article.

There are a couple of interesting tidbits that caught my eye.

First, the BPD (apparently-IMO) wanted it known this was a Lacy blunder, and not theirs as evidenced by the Editor’s note”

***“Editor’s note: The original version of this story incorrectly stated that the Boulder police had cleared the Ramseys of any wrongdoing and issued an apology to them in 2008. It was Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy who wrote a letter of apology to the Ramseys, clearing them of any wrongdoing, in 2008. The Boulder police did conclude that the DNA evidence found on JonBenet Ramsey’s clothing did not match members of the Ramsey family.”***

Second, JR seems pretty detached about the JMK arrest, which IMO dispels any notion of JMK being an old family acquaintance or voice teacher or any of the other misconceptions that have been swallowed and then discussed regarding JMK ‘knowing’ JBR prior to the murder:

***“He was arrested, and we were, I guess, hopeful, but not — we were a little skeptical,” Ramsey recalled.“What I realized was that this is going to be difficult. He didn’t look like a killer. He looked like a nice guy. He was a teacher in an elementary school. I thought,‘Boy, that’s not what I would have expected.’ I expected a monster.”***

Doesn’t sound to me like JR had ever seen JMK before the little poser lied and insinuated himself into this case.

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Since: Mar 07

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#3 Nov 9, 2012
Hi Seuss,

The note about Lacy was extraordinary, considering the circumstances

Even if people really believe the Ramseys are innocent, they should have been suspicious at best and called for her head at worst, for doing something that should never be done in an ongoing investigation, especially considering that she was the District Attorney

It was immoral and illegal I'm sure but in Boulder nothing seems to be illegal if you are in law enforcement and in the DA's office

Here is the tiny url for a better link

http://tinyurl.com/an5bz73
The Truth Hurts

Farmington, MI

#4 Nov 9, 2012
What parent wouldn't want to know what happened if their child was murdered? Most of all, what parent wouldn't want to know WHY?
John Ramsey is beyond creepy. He repeats the same "sentiments" over and over like a broken record. None of it rings true. Not back then and certainly not now.
BTW, he is an ugly man as it is but he's even uglier in HD. UGH!
As for his new attractive and obviously younger wife - I ain't sayin' she a gold digger but she ain't messin' with no brokedy broke. ;)

Since: May 11

Seattle, WA

#5 Nov 9, 2012
The Truth Hurts wrote:
What parent wouldn't want to know what happened if their child was murdered? Most of all, what parent wouldn't want to know WHY?
John Ramsey is beyond creepy. He repeats the same "sentiments" over and over like a broken record. None of it rings true. Not back then and certainly not now.
BTW, he is an ugly man as it is but he's even uglier in HD. UGH!
As for his new attractive and obviously younger wife - I ain't sayin' she a gold digger but she ain't messin' with no brokedy broke. ;)
He makes me sick, too. I love the tag line about going from suffering to forgiveness. WHO the hell is he forgiveing??!!! WTF? The killer? The same killer he's happy to let die without knowing what happened? His 'suffering' was only the whispers and stares that came about from HIS actions and inaction!
You're right he's one ugly man, butt ugly. Especially when he smiles while he talks about the case. He clearly delights in knowing it's as dead as his second wife.
PS imagine how the new Mrs has to fake it for that. Gross:P

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#8 Nov 11, 2012
The Truth Hurts wrote:
What parent wouldn't want to know what happened if their child was murdered? Most of all, what parent wouldn't want to know WHY?
John Ramsey is beyond creepy. He repeats the same "sentiments" over and over like a broken record. None of it rings true. Not back then and certainly not now.
BTW, he is an ugly man as it is but he's even uglier in HD. UGH!
As for his new attractive and obviously younger wife - I ain't sayin' she a gold digger but she ain't messin' with no brokedy broke. ;)
I agree. I don't know any parent who wouldn't want to know what happened to their child either.

The sentiments he repeats are old and worn and when all else fails in doublespeak, he turns to his "faith" which is disgusting to garner sympathy.

This is a man who speaks of his faith and then refuses to assist the authorities, along with the rest of the family so everyone should read between the lines. He is so heartbroken about it that he $old the memorabilia from Patsy and JBR LOL.

It would be one thing if he was broke, but he isn't. Add the fact that he $old the memorabilia of Patsy and JBR to his new life status and you have yourself a really bad guy who deserves no respect or sympathy IMO

"Faith" begins with doing the RIGHT thing; he hasn't done the right thing in almost 16 years.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

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#9 Nov 11, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
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He is so heartbroken about it that he $old the memorabilia from Patsy and JBR LOL.

It would be one thing if he was broke, but he isn't. Add the fact that he $old the memorabilia of Patsy and JBR to his new life status and you have yourself a really bad guy who deserves no respect or sympathy IMO
Character is who you are and what you do when no one is looking.

He sells personal memorabilia from his deceased family members. That speaks volumes to me. No different from Casey Anthony in that respect.

“If life gives you melons”

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#11 Nov 12, 2012
Interestingly enough contrary maryB, we all used to play the games on the other boards too - OH MY - I wonder what that means?

And how is it you can still change YOUR profile if you have been banned? Are you being less than truthful?

I liked the one Seuss used last Friday (when he changed his) better than the one he has now!

You know the truth, you just like to stir the pot!

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

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#12 Nov 12, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
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I agree. I don't know any parent who wouldn't want to know what happened to their child either.
Cap, I apologize for responding to maryB on your thread, and taking it more off topic than she did trying to start up another fight. I will get back on-topic now. You are welcome to report my post along with hers.

It is unconscionable, not to mention unreasonable, to think a parent wouldn't want to 'know' what happened to their child, and I think a bit beyond reality to a truly grieving parent. It doesn't hold up to the sniff test with me. They may not want to see the body, depending on the state it was in, but they want to know what happened. Most of all they want to know if their child suffered or were killed immediately.

Since: Sep 11

Boksburg, South Africa

#13 Nov 12, 2012
The Truth Hurts wrote:
BTW, he is an ugly man as it is but he's even uglier in HD. UGH!
As for his new attractive and obviously younger wife - I ain't sayin' she a gold digger but she ain't messin' with no brokedy broke. ;)
John has a gentle face and I don't think he's ugly in the least. He's no longer in the prime of his life and for a 67/68 year-old, especially one who has been through so much, I think he looks remarkably good, better than most men that age.

Lucinda and Patsy were attractive women and they married him before he made his fortune. His new wife has her own successful business and doesn't need his money. He dated Beth Holloway too and she's a lovely lady. I really can't believe she's a gold-digger.

Good looks and money are not the only qualities which constitute attractiveness in a man. Some of the most attractive men in the world are not, strictly speaking, good-looking.

Since: Sep 11

Boksburg, South Africa

#14 Nov 12, 2012
maryB wrote:
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How can anyone say he "only speaks of her when he has something to sell/hawk and you never hear from him in between." What is he supposed to do, call a news conference and tell the press that he just wants to remind everybody that he still thinks about her and how he still grieves over losing her? Just the fact that he keeps all her pictures and little mementoes should show that he does think of her and doesn't want to forget her. But some people are more prone to keeping some things private which might be true in his case since so many people have remarked about his "silence" in not running to the press at every turn just to convey his feelings.
IMO, the man cannot be expected to live in the past for the remainder of his life. Anyway, whichever way he chooses to go, he's going to be crucified just for doing what he chooses or for not doing anything at all. IOW, it's open season forever on John Ramsey.
Well said, MaryB. How can anyone judge a man by his public actions without having a clue as to his innermost thoughts and feelings? After JonBenet's murder, John and Patsy's marriage remained rock solid, which says a lot, as many marriages would have broken up under such a strain. He stood by Patsy throughout her illness and was with her when she died. It's quite obvious he truly loved Patsy and would not disrespect her memory after she passed away.

But no matter how much we love someone, there comes a time we have to move on. No one can spend their whole life mourning the loss of their loved ones. John is a religious man and as such has faith that his loved ones have moved on to a happier place and that ultimately justice will be served albeit maybe not earthly justice.

He did seek answers at first, but he was up against a wall, as the BPD was not interested in looking outside the family for the killer. IMO he doesn't trust the FBI as they let the family down as badly as the BPD did. He hired his own private investigators whom he trusted, but without the cooperation of the BPD, that went nowhere. I don't know how anyone can say John did not want answers because that is simply not true. He's obviously just made peace with the fact earthly justice is probably never going to happen and as a religious man is happy to leave justice in God's hands.

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Since: Jul 10

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#15 Nov 12, 2012
They generally spend more than 6 months though Lynette, but John was out there dating almost immediately.

Some say the rock solid marriage equated to a rock solid coverup.
Lynette 22 wrote:
But no matter how much we love someone, there comes a time we have to move on. No one can spend their whole life mourning the loss of their loved ones.

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Since: Mar 07

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#16 Nov 12, 2012
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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Cap, I apologize for responding to maryB on your thread, and taking it more off topic than she did trying to start up another fight. I will get back on-topic now. You are welcome to report my post along with hers.
It is unconscionable, not to mention unreasonable, to think a parent wouldn't want to 'know' what happened to their child, and I think a bit beyond reality to a truly grieving parent. It doesn't hold up to the sniff test with me. They may not want to see the body, depending on the state it was in, but they want to know what happened. Most of all they want to know if their child suffered or were killed immediately.
If memory serves, they didn't even read the autopsy report; or so they claimed. What parent does that? It might pass the hinky test if she hadn't been murdered in this big mystery

The parents didn't want to know anything. What they did was just want to run away from it all with no looking back. No autopsy, no body, no desire for information, NO INTEREST

That does not pass any test for me as a parent and I dare say for most parents...key word = "most" ;)

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#17 Nov 12, 2012
Just my opinion but selling off Patsy's memories, which should ALSO be John's memories and their children's memories, along with her family's memories, all by itself is disrespectful to her memory, but then again, only "most" people would agree

Plastic people and families will disagree, but that's what makes the world go 'round

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#18 Nov 12, 2012
LOL - too funny. I liked the one from Friday as well and I may change it back to that today.

I dont' think she has been banned - I think she is pretending to be because no one was paying attention to her and we all know how she thrives on and demands attention.
Legal__Eagle wrote:
Interestingly enough contrary maryB, we all used to play the games on the other boards too - OH MY - I wonder what that means?
And how is it you can still change YOUR profile if you have been banned? Are you being less than truthful?
I liked the one Seuss used last Friday (when he changed his) better than the one he has now!
You know the truth, you just like to stir the pot!

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#19 Nov 12, 2012
DrSeussMd wrote:
LOL - too funny. I liked the one from Friday as well and I may change it back to that today.
I dont' think she has been banned - I think she is pretending to be because no one was paying attention to her and we all know how she thrives on and demands attention.
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Your Friday line was cute too.

Banned or not, things still stay the same; the obsession with you and rudeness remain, but now in a grey box

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#20 Nov 12, 2012
Even if BR took someting he wanted and didn't care about the rest, what about all the grandchildren? Doesn't sound much like they wanted to honor any type of legacy, just sell stuff to the highest bidder.
Capricorn wrote:
Just my opinion but selling off Patsy's memories, which should ALSO be John's memories and their children's memories, along with her family's memories, all by itself is disrespectful to her memory, but then again, only "most" people would agree
Plastic people and families will disagree, but that's what makes the world go 'round

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#21 Nov 12, 2012
DrSeussMd wrote:
Even if BR took someting he wanted and didn't care about the rest, what about all the grandchildren? Doesn't sound much like they wanted to honor any type of legacy, just sell stuff to the highest bidder.
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Agreed. There is more than enough family between Burke and Patsy's family, that selling her personal stuff, when you have a new wife, seems less than "suffering" from his losses

It's more like "profiting" from his losses

To sell personal memorabilia from your deceased wife, who you claimed to love and stand by, AFTER you marry a new and younger wife, leaves little doubt about how "deep" John runs

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#23 Nov 12, 2012
"How can anyone judge a man by his public actions without having a clue as to his innermost thoughts and feelings"?

Saying that JR is wonderful, grieving, caring and saddened by Patsy's death and all the yada yada about how devastated he is by JBR's death and unsolved murder, how much faith he has, blah blah is still "judging" without having any way to know his innermost thoughts and feelings

Putting a positive spin on someone's personality/motives/feelings is still JUDGING and JUDGEMENTAL

It works both ways

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Since: Mar 07

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#26 Nov 12, 2012
When people see either good or bad in another person whom they do NOT know, it is judgmental, period

It is just as arrogant to assume good things about a stranger as it is to assume bad things.

Key word = stranger

Whatever OPINIONS are formed from public information is still JUDGEMENTAL and it makes no difference whether the "judgement" is good or bad; it is still judgemental

IMO, covering up a murder, IMO IMO IMO = a bad judgment, but others are entitled to feel differently

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