Evidence that Burke Was Involved

Evidence that Burke Was Involved

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“Sarah Palin, Go Home!”

Since: Aug 09

Bexley, Ohio

#1 Oct 3, 2009
I know some posters here believe it makes the most sense that Burke was involved in the death of JB. Some even believe that he was the one who inflicted whichever wound would prove fatal, even if her death wasn't directly a product of that wound.

I bounce back and forth between PDI and BDI, but I definitely think RDI. Certainly John and Patsy staged the crime scene, while they sent Burke to his room, but I can't decide if Burke or Patsy inflicted the head wound, which I think came first, though I know JB died of asphyxiation.

I thought it would be good to start a thread of reason why Burke was probably involved, whether he was responsible for the head wound, the strangulation with a scarf, etc. or not.

I'll start and I hope RDIs will add to the reasons.

Burke's voice was heard on the enhanced 911 tape as confirmed by Steve Thomas.

Burke did not ask why he had to go to Fleet White's house instead of to Charlevoix when he was "awakened."

Burke did not ask any questions about JonBenet.

Okay, RDIs, I'm sure you have a lot more enlightening things to add.
Paris Shillton

Encino, CA

#2 Oct 3, 2009
RDI prefer Patsy as the villain. She's a lot easier to spew venom at then an 9 year old boy.
Even if Burke did it, RDI will always make Patsy the villain in the end.

I don't think RDI want Burke to be the killer, or discuss him being the killer, because where is the fun in vilifying a small boy?
Capricorn

Sayville, NY

#3 Oct 3, 2009
I absolutely believe RDI

There, that's over with!

I have heard each Ramsey scenario and every one of them is plausible and excluding some minor details of each theory, I say "EXACTLY"

BUT...I always come back to Burke being somehow involved, if not aware of what went on that night

I believe Patsy wrote the note; it's her handwriting, period

In these type of cases, so often the parents end up divorced or at the very least bathed in resentment, guilt, etc. That said, given the fact that IMO, the marriage wasn't full of warmth and fuzziness to begin with, and quite possibly a loveless marriage, that they stayed together made me go hmmm.

I watched Patsy require a "life coach" and then go on to celebrity status, seeming to enjoy the publicity she received, albeit mostly negative. Being the fighter, and already aware that there would never be any punishment, she was willing to be a celebrity.

I watched, as did everyone else, John run for office with Patsy as always, a cheerleader and in the limelight. I watched them go on vacation, go on national television, the lectures, and everything in-between, never shunning the cameras and never shying away from those who would give them attention.

They had Lin Wood, a high profile civil attorney, keeping them in the news with endless lawsuits, TV appearances, etc. They certainly could have found a less "vocal" and "celebrity" attorney and/or requested that publicity be kept to a minimum, but didn't

Given all that, FOR ME, the most logical explanation is that they BOTH protected Burke from whatever role he played. Whether he began it, did it, or even finished it, I believe Patsy and John staged the crime scene with all of my being. NO WAY did Burke write or have any involvement in the note or the staging.

I truly believe he was sent to bed earlier on, not knowing what the end result of whatever happened the night before was; AND HENCE, the reason for John's strange remark of Burke being 40 years old before this would be a problem or realization for him

Again, if the truth ever came out, whichever Ramsey would be named, it wouldn't shock me

“Sarah Palin, Go Home!”

Since: Aug 09

Bexley, Ohio

#4 Oct 3, 2009
I would not be shocked at which Ramsey did it, either, Capricorn, though I would be a little surprised if John did. Like you, I believe, though, that Patsy definitely wrote the note. John may have dictated it to her, but she wrote it. Definitely.

I think John directed the staging of the crime, while he made Patsy do most of the work. I don't think Burke had any involvement in the writing of the note or the staging of the crime. I, too, believe he was sent to bed.

The bowl of pineapple, with Patsy's and Burke's prints and the fact that JB had eaten a little pineapple so soon before begin killed tells me Burke was not yet in bed when whatever happened took place, though I would have no idea how much he might know. Surely, he's put the pieces together by now, though, whether he did the deed or not.

I, too, was a little surprised that John and Patsy's marriage seemed to get "warm and fuzzy" after the crime, at least for the media's sake. There are people who saw John flirt openly with other women in public with Patsy right there. More indication that the two of them "had something" on each other and weren't worried what the other would say or do.

If Burke hit his sister or choked her with a scarf, then surely he knows by now that his actions led to her death. If he didn't, but was simply awake and "there" and was sent to bed, surely he knows the crime scene was staged by his parents.

It would surprise me if someone other than Patsy wrote the note, but it would not surprise me if Burke started what John and Patsy thought they had to finish.
FoolsGold

Cape Coral, FL

#5 Oct 3, 2009
There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that Burke Ramsey did anything that night but sleep soundly.

BrotherMoon

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#6 Oct 3, 2009
There are no voices on the end of the tape.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Burke was invovled.

“Sarah Palin, Go Home!”

Since: Aug 09

Bexley, Ohio

#7 Oct 3, 2009
BrotherMoon wrote:
There are no voices on the end of the tape.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Burke was invovled.
No, there are no voices on the 911 tape that has been released to the public, but there WAS a third person on the enhanced 911 tape in the possession of LE.

http://jfjbr.tripod.com/truth/stchat.html

<<<CrimeADM: Did you hear the 911 tape personally; and if so, once and for all, was Burke on it?

stevethomas: I heard the 911 tape. repeatedly, as did the other detectives. the consensus was unanimous, as supported by the enhancement -- there is a 3rd voice on the tape, appears to be Burke (unless there was someone else present who has never been identified...)>>>

I don't believe any third person was in the Ramsey house at the time of the 911 call, so I DO believe Burke is on the tape.

“Sarah Palin, Go Home!”

Since: Aug 09

Bexley, Ohio

#8 Oct 3, 2009
No voices other than Patsy and the 911 operator, that is.

However, Burke and John ARE on the enhanced 911 tape that is in the possession of LE.

“Sarah Palin, Go Home!”

Since: Aug 09

Bexley, Ohio

#9 Oct 3, 2009
BrotherMoon wrote:
There are no voices on the end of the tape.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Burke was invovled.
Credible source that contradicts the fact that Steve Thomas, who has heard what you have NOT heard, says a third voice in the Ramsey house in heard on the enhanced 911 tape.

CREDIBLE, not your wild "Jean Brodie" fantasies.

BrotherMoon

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#10 Oct 3, 2009
There are no voices on the end of the enhanced 911 tape.

“Sarah Palin, Go Home!”

Since: Aug 09

Bexley, Ohio

#11 Oct 3, 2009
BrotherMoon wrote:
There are no voices on the end of the enhanced 911 tape.
So you are saying Steve Thomas is lying about the tape. I simply do not believe that. I don't believe Steve knows everything and can't make a mistake, but I do believe him entirely when he says THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE IN THE RAMSEY HOUSE ON THE 911 TAPE.

This is one reason people dismiss your wild theories as so much gobbledy-gook. You are trying to MAKE THE EVIDENCE FIT YOUR THEORY. It doesn't work that way. You have to build your theory from the evidence.

Now, as one poster has already said, and I agreed, if there had been non-Ramsey semen or foreign blood on JB, I definitely go with an IDI theory, but there wasn't, and there is NO EVIDENCE of an intruder, much as IDIs like to say there is.

However, THERE ARE THREE RAMSEY VOICES ON THE 911 TAPE AND ONE IS BURKE. There's just no disputing that.

“Sarah Palin, Go Home!”

Since: Aug 09

Bexley, Ohio

#12 Oct 3, 2009
BrotherMoon wrote:
There are no voices on the end of the enhanced 911 tape.
You are not a CREDIBLE source.
hatcheck

Camarillo, CA

#13 Oct 3, 2009
I don't think there is any EVIDENCE that Burke was involved, but based solely on speculation I think it's POSSIBLE he was involved for the following reasons:

1. It explains the R's peculiar post crime behavior (stonewalling LE, wanting to get the hell out of Dodge,Patsy's behavior when Jb's body was found, etc)

2. Explains why the Rs would conspire together to cover up this crime. Both would have the best interests of Burke in mind. If the killer were a jealous lover of John's, Patsy wouldn't cover and vise versa.

3. Explains the "mild" sexual assault. No penile penetration.....not on the night of the murder or before. Digital penetration "only"? Unusual for an adult pervert.

#1 reason why I can't believe Burke could have done it:

Imagine that Burke inflicted one or both wounds:

Scenario 1: Burke hits her over the head, parents arrive on the scene, say "shit, she's a goner. I sure don't want to raise a vegetable. Honey, go get the cord asap!", then they choke the life out of their beloved daughter, pull down her pants and assault her with a paintbrush, put duct tape over her mouth....then write a bizarre ransom note to stage a fake kidnapping.

WTF? Why not call their LAWYERS first and ask their advice?? Surely John knew all about atty/client privelege and that EVEN IF, he told the lawyer that Burke killed JB, the lawyer said call the cops, he cant be charged.... and still the Rs decided to stage a cover up rather than tell LE, his attorney is bound by ACP. He can't tell a soul and under the circumstances I doubt he would even want to. Just finishing her off seems WAY to impulsive considering their history and connections.

Scenario 2: Burke strangles, sexually assaults AND bashes Jb's head in. Parents just cover up. This one makes a little more sense, but is still hard to fathom. Burke would have to be a violent sociopath for this to be the case. Anything's possible, but usually violent sociopaths of this magnitude have predictable behaviors by the age of 9. He seems to me to be a pretty average kid.
deb

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Oct 3, 2009
John and Patsy have both stated multiple times that they didn't know anyone that evil. Do you think they would say that about Burke? I don't think so.

Burke was also interviewed for hours by police and psychologists - do you think they couldn't break a 9-year-old??
Nelly

AOL

#15 Oct 3, 2009
CSIEngland wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying Steve Thomas is lying about the tape. I simply do not believe that. I don't believe Steve knows everything and can't make a mistake, but I do believe him entirely when he says THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE IN THE RAMSEY HOUSE ON THE 911 TAPE.
This is one reason people dismiss your wild theories as so much gobbledy-gook. You are trying to MAKE THE EVIDENCE FIT YOUR THEORY. It doesn't work that way. You have to build your theory from the evidence.
Now, as one poster has already said, and I agreed, if there had been non-Ramsey semen or foreign blood on JB, I definitely go with an IDI theory, but there wasn't, and there is NO EVIDENCE of an intruder, much as IDIs like to say there is.
However, THERE ARE THREE RAMSEY VOICES ON THE 911 TAPE AND ONE IS BURKE. There's just no disputing that.
The Ramsey's all but admitted Burke's on the tape by going to Nat. Enq and telling them they 'just remembered' Burke WAS awake..there had to be proof of that if the R's were trying to make nice with the tabloid and admitted to something they denied for so long.
deb

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Oct 3, 2009
Nelly wrote:
<quoted text>
The Ramsey's all but admitted Burke's on the tape by going to Nat. Enq and telling them they 'just remembered' Burke WAS awake..there had to be proof of that if the R's were trying to make nice with the tabloid and admitted to something they denied for so long.
We both know Burke pretended to be asleep, that John and Patsy did not realize he was awake. They found out later. Please do not turn the situation into something it was not. Shame on you.

“Sarah Palin, Go Home!”

Since: Aug 09

Bexley, Ohio

#17 Oct 3, 2009
hatcheck wrote:
I don't think there is any EVIDENCE that Burke was involved, but based solely on speculation I think it's POSSIBLE he was involved for the following reasons:
1. It explains the R's peculiar post crime behavior (stonewalling LE, wanting to get the hell out of Dodge,Patsy's behavior when Jb's body was found, etc)
2. Explains why the Rs would conspire together to cover up this crime. Both would have the best interests of Burke in mind. If the killer were a jealous lover of John's, Patsy wouldn't cover and vise versa.
3. Explains the "mild" sexual assault. No penile penetration.....not on the night of the murder or before. Digital penetration "only"? Unusual for an adult pervert.
#1 reason why I can't believe Burke could have done it:
Imagine that Burke inflicted one or both wounds:
Scenario 1: Burke hits her over the head, parents arrive on the scene, say "shit, she's a goner. I sure don't want to raise a vegetable. Honey, go get the cord asap!", then they choke the life out of their beloved daughter, pull down her pants and assault her with a paintbrush, put duct tape over her mouth....then write a bizarre ransom note to stage a fake kidnapping.
WTF? Why not call their LAWYERS first and ask their advice?? Surely John knew all about atty/client privelege and that EVEN IF, he told the lawyer that Burke killed JB, the lawyer said call the cops, he cant be charged.... and still the Rs decided to stage a cover up rather than tell LE, his attorney is bound by ACP. He can't tell a soul and under the circumstances I doubt he would even want to. Just finishing her off seems WAY to impulsive considering their history and connections.
Scenario 2: Burke strangles, sexually assaults AND bashes Jb's head in. Parents just cover up. This one makes a little more sense, but is still hard to fathom. Burke would have to be a violent sociopath for this to be the case. Anything's possible, but usually violent sociopaths of this magnitude have predictable behaviors by the age of 9. He seems to me to be a pretty average kid.
I go back and forth between PDI and BDI. I have trouble believing BDI (any wound) and then a poster writes something that seems to make a lot of sense and I'm back to thinking Burke could have had a role in the whole thing.

I know LE did clear Burke, but I always felt that was due to his age, but they know more than we know. Maybe they have evidence that clears Burke completely.

I do think Burke knows more or less what happened that night, though. I think he was awake when whatever happened did take place, whether he was involved or not. I think he was eating a pineapple snack and JB grabbed a few pieces out of his bowl. We know pineapple digests very rapidly, so JB was killed very shortly after eating the pineapple. In fact, that could be the reason there's still so much pineapple left in the bowl. Burke could have been eating and something could have happened to JB that aborted his snack and sent him to his room.

I tend to think PDI, but it would not surprise me if BDI.

“Sarah Palin, Go Home!”

Since: Aug 09

Bexley, Ohio

#18 Oct 3, 2009
Nelly wrote:
<quoted text>
The Ramsey's all but admitted Burke's on the tape by going to Nat. Enq and telling them they 'just remembered' Burke WAS awake..there had to be proof of that if the R's were trying to make nice with the tabloid and admitted to something they denied for so long.
That's true, Nelly, they did. I have no doubt that Burke is on the enhanced 911 tape.

BrotherMoon

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#19 Oct 4, 2009
CSIEngland wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying Steve Thomas is lying about the tape.
I'm saying he's guessing.
deb

Minneapolis, MN

#20 Oct 4, 2009
CSIEngland wrote:
<quoted text>
That's true, Nelly, they did. I have no doubt that Burke is on the enhanced 911 tape.
No one, except for maybe Steve T (which I don't know) ever stated it was Burke's voice on the tape. All that was stated or could be stated was that they heard another voice. Background voices from the police station. NO ONE EVER CLAIMED IT WAS BURKE.

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