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#1 May 3, 2012
TOM HANEY: "So you said it wasn't you and it wasn't John. Could it have been Burke?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "No. It wouldn't have been Burke."
TOM HANEY: "Why couldn't it?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "How do you believe you saw (inaudible) a ten year old, nine year old boy (inaudible). Plus the fact that he loved his sister."
TOM HANEY: "It's not unheard of for a nine or ten year old child?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "My child is unheard of."
TOM HANEY: "And why is that? What would make him different from some other nine or ten year old?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "Because he was not raised in a family of violence. We are a very loving family."
TOM HANEY: "Could it have been an accident?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "I -- don't know."
TOM HANEY: "Well, you and I don't know because we weren't there?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "Right."
TOM HANEY: "So do you think it could have been, he could have pushed her down the stairs -- "
PATSY RAMSEY: "Burke Ramsey did not do this, okay. He did not do this. Get off it."
TOM HANEY: "How do you know that, though? I mean, have you talked to him about it?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "Yes."

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PATSY RAMSEY: "How do you believe you saw (inaudible) a ten year old, nine year old boy (inaudible). Plus the fact that he loved his sister."

What does love have to do with accidents? I don't think the head injury was anything more than everyday childhood sibling bickering and the parents staged everything else to evoke the overbearing and allmighty 'power of suggestion.' The garrote was to cover what they thought was death from a broken neck. THEY WOULD HAVE HAD NO IDEA SHE HAD A FRACTURED SKULL.

Patsy had a degree in advertising and John's was in marketing. They created a monster. In all the interviews the Ramseys show a heightened sense of defensiveness whenever the scenario of an accident is presented.

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#2 May 3, 2012
Curious slip?

TOM HANEY: "Could it have been an accident?"

PATSY RAMSEY: "I -- don't know."

I think that blank is a swear word.

BUT SHE DOESN'T KNOW??????

She claimed until her death Jonbenet was murdered.

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#3 May 3, 2012
Patsy "knew" a lot of things when it came time to protect herself and the immediate family, then strangely became challenged when asked much simpler questions.

It is my opinion that all three Ramseys knew/know exactly what happened that night, whatever it was. There are many differing opinions on what that was from an intruder to John, Patsy, Burke, JAR, an intruder along WITH a Ramsey, etc., etc.

The only people who REALLY know what happened that night are the Ramseys and it is unlikely that any answers will come from them. The only thing that has come from them is double speak and lack of memory

It's silly, no matter what scenario one believes, to think that there is no reason to suspect the Ramseys. Even with an IDI mindset, to pretend to be in disbelief that the Ramseys are suspect to most people is just plain silly and "denial" IMO

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#4 May 3, 2012
Burke has lived over half his young life with the Sword of Damocles hanging over this head.

If he truly knew nothing about who molested and/or murdered his sister, why would he not talk to detectives when asked a year or so ago? Why wouldn't his father and his family tell him to give that interview, because everyone would perceive his refusal as knowledge of guilt?

Not to mention, why wouldn't he want to help LE find his sister's killer? If there were an intruder, why wouldn't the Ramsey family jump at that chance now, so many years later, when they know none of them can ever be tried for this murder without a deliberate and full confession?

Were they afraid Burke would break down and give just that? If not a confession that he did it, were they afraid he'd slip up and tell the truth about what he does know?

Poor Burke. Enjoying his wealth and privilege...while he awaits the break of that thin string of lies holding the sword over his head.

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#5 May 3, 2012
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Burke has lived over half his young life with the Sword of Damocles hanging over this head.
If he truly knew nothing about who molested and/or murdered his sister, why would he not talk to detectives when asked a year or so ago? Why wouldn't his father and his family tell him to give that interview, because everyone would perceive his refusal as knowledge of guilt?
Not to mention, why wouldn't he want to help LE find his sister's killer? If there were an intruder, why wouldn't the Ramsey family jump at that chance now, so many years later, when they know none of them can ever be tried for this murder without a deliberate and full confession?
Were they afraid Burke would break down and give just that? If not a confession that he did it, were they afraid he'd slip up and tell the truth about what he does know?
Poor Burke. Enjoying his wealth and privilege...while he awaits the break of that thin string of lies holding the sword over his head.
Burke can thank his parents for that sword hanging over his head. That also leads me to believe even more strongly that there is involvement by him and his parents and at the very least, guilty knowledge.

Had they played by the rules in the beginning, Burke wouldn't have any sword hanging over his head. They refused, and chose the path of law$$$$uits over justice; HENCE, they all got what they deserved as far as public perception and finger pointing.

Why wouldn't he give an interview? Why wouldn't his parents encourage him to do so? Why wouldn't he want to help? Why wouldn't he jump at the chance to find this "intruder" and be part of the solution? I sure hope and assume these are rhetorical questions :) I already believe I know the answer and haven't heard anything that comes even close to legitimate regarding answers to those questions; just the usual Ramsey spin by apologists and those in denial of the reality

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#6 May 3, 2012
moonjack wrote:
Curious slip?
TOM HANEY: "Could it have been an accident?"
PATSY RAMSEY: "I -- don't know."
I think that blank is a swear word.
BUT SHE DOESN'T KNOW??????
She claimed until her death Jonbenet was murdered.
I believe Patsy killed JB, and i believe Burke saw some of it.

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#7 May 3, 2012
Shadow Heart wrote:
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I believe Patsy killed JB, and i believe Burke saw some of it.
I believe Burke caused a fatal skull fracture and the parents did not see or witness the altercation. They were presented with a limp lifeless body and thought she had broken her neck, hence the garotte. It was to 'cover' or provide a reason for an assumed severed spinal cord.

If Burke has broken her neck and body was recovered 'en garrote' it could have been assumed that device broke her neck.

This was a big house. It was not a close knit family. The parents went their own ways and the kids were left to entertain themselves. It was John's second batch of kids and he was old. THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ANY FAMILY GETS HOME FROM AN OUTING. They go their seperate ways.

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#8 May 3, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
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Burke can thank his parents for that sword hanging over his head. That also leads me to believe even more strongly that there is involvement by him and his parents and at the very least, guilty knowledge.
Had they played by the rules in the beginning, Burke wouldn't have any sword hanging over his head. They refused, and chose the path of law$$$$uits over justice; HENCE, they all got what they deserved as far as public perception and finger pointing.
Why wouldn't he give an interview? Why wouldn't his parents encourage him to do so? Why wouldn't he want to help? Why wouldn't he jump at the chance to find this "intruder" and be part of the solution? I sure hope and assume these are rhetorical questions :) I already believe I know the answer and haven't heard anything that comes even close to legitimate regarding answers to those questions; just the usual Ramsey spin by apologists and those in denial of the reality
It's all rhetorical at this point, isn't it?

I disagree about one thing you said, though...god, help us....=O

I don't think Burke deserved any of this. He was a child. Even if he committed the whole of the abuse against his sister, he did not deserve to spend his life at the center of the ensuing maelstrom created by his parents that will haunt him forever.

If he had nothing to do with the crimes, then even worse that he'll always be suspected.

I do agree--Rules of the RDI Handbook ;)--that his parents are to blame for that.

And I might be able to feel some sympathy for their dilemma, no matter how wrong I think their choices were, except that their choices were to DEVASTATE THE LIVES OF SO MANY OTHERS with accusations and suspicions, all without one hesitation of conscience about doing it.

What tragically flawed people.

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#9 May 3, 2012
Shadow Heart wrote:
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I believe Patsy killed JB, and i believe Burke saw some of it.
Wow. That would be horrific for him.

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#10 May 3, 2012
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I believe Burke caused a fatal skull fracture and the parents did not see or witness the altercation. They were presented with a limp lifeless body and thought she had broken her neck, hence the garotte. It was to 'cover' or provide a reason for an assumed severed spinal cord.
If Burke has broken her neck and body was recovered 'en garrote' it could have been assumed that device broke her neck.
This was a big house. It was not a close knit family. The parents went their own ways and the kids were left to entertain themselves. It was John's second batch of kids and he was old. THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ANY FAMILY GETS HOME FROM AN OUTING. They go their seperate ways.
Interesting.

The thing I've always wondered about Burke regards that Nintendo system he got.

My own experience with children and game systems is you have to pry them away with wild horses. Burke left the next morning holding onto his for dear life.

Also, a now-denounced old friend, Judith Phillips, has a daughter who wrote a "letter to JonBenet," published in a tabloid, in which she oddly spoke about Burke chasing them into a bathroom because the girls interfered with his game.

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#11 May 3, 2012
The original story marketed as part of the intruder hoax is Burke was playing with or putting together a parking garage toy. The new updated version just released has the toy of the evening as a Lego Robot.

But the Nintendo is more likely the only toy Burke wanted or touched that night.

Did Jonbenet want it too?

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#12 May 3, 2012
There is no evidence that either Burke (other than fingerprints on the bowl) or John was involved. If so post it.

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#13 May 3, 2012
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There is no evidence that either Burke (other than fingerprints on the bowl) or John was involved. If so post it.
John and Burke were there, in the home, and have no alibi: opportunity. Both were capable of doing everything that was done to JonBenet, and the materials used all were identified as coming from the home or have never been traced to another source outside the home: means.

Burke had hit JonBenet before with a golf club, as you know. Siblings fight. For any number of reasons, as you know. It's a miracle they don't kill each other more often, truth be told.

The identity of the person molesting JonBenet has never been revealed, so John and Burke are on that short list as well: motive.

Fibers from John's shirt he wore that night were found on the genital area of the body.

John lied to LE and to the public, often and without blinking an eye. He obstructed the investigation by withholding evidence he knew was critical to the case for five years--the package of Bloomies. If that wasn't the original package Wood finally turned over to Lacy for the Ramseys, then John is as culpable as Patsy in manufacturing evidence to mislead the investigation. Either way, John has as much responsibility for this as Patsy.

That's circumstantial evidence, and while not as damaging as that against Patsy--nothing will ever trump the ransom note, it is evidence.

I'm not saying John or Burke did it. But there is evidence to make an argument one or both were involved in the crimes or the cover up, IMO.

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#14 May 3, 2012
This entire thread is nonsense.

How on earth do you accidentally garotte someone?
How on earth can the BPD even have envisioned a well brought up nine year old doing any of the horrible things they allege.

Burke Ramsey is represented by counsel and anytime the BPD or the DA want to interview Burke Ramsey they need only contact his counsel just as in any other case.

Burke Ramsey was sheltered from much of the media onslaught (such as when a storekeeper removed a stack of tabloids from the display rack as Patsy and Burke entered the store) but he is aware that the BPD and the Tabloids conducted a vendetta against his parents rather than an investigation. He is probably also aware that nothing is ever going to change the BPD's mindset on this case.

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#15 May 3, 2012
The scenario is Burke accidentally caused a head injury and the parents staged the rest. Burke was probably sent to his room after they assessed the situation and thought he had broken Jonbenet’s neck.

John dictated the note, Patsy wrote it, and John constructed the garrote from what he remembered of his navy service in the Philippines. They used their marketing and advertising degrees collectively to persuade fools into believing the hoaxed kidnapping and an intruder, and a few stray still do.

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#16 May 3, 2012
The most likely scenario is Jonbenet was struck on the head by Burke, intentionally or accidentally with no fatal injury intended.

THE ACTIONS AND BEHAVIOR OF THE ENTIRE RAMSEY FAMILY ARE DEAD GIVEAWAYS.

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#17 May 3, 2012
koldkase wrote:
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Fibers from John's shirt he wore that night were found on the genital area of the body.
That is the only thing that is evidence of involvement which I should include with Burkes' fingerprints on the bowl.

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#18 May 4, 2012
It seems the blanks from the interview were not even words, just guttural human sounds. The interview transcription says ’inaudible’ but non-verbal sounds would be a better description as they were obviously ‘heard’.

Here’s the first info John gave about Burke’s toy.

TT: Okay.(inaudible) Let’s go back to the 25th, sorry about that. Get home about nine, nine-fifteenish, Burke’s downstairs playing; do you remember what kind of toy that was?
JR: Oh, it was a little thing that kind of unfolded, and it was like car ramp or something and then it folded all back together and it made something else.
TT: Was it like (inaudible)...Was it like putting stickers on it?
JR: Well, it was a plastic thing he had to assemble and he had some stickers too, and uh, he was intent on getting it done before he went to bed, so ...
TT: Did you help Burke get into his pajamas that night?
JR: Yeah, like I do every night.

Any scenario of Jonbenet being strung up by Patsy is delusional.

The laws of physics take precedence over psychology and dictate Jonbenet was never hung or strung up with any of the cords tied to her body. Her wrists were tied so loosely the cord slipped off, did not need to be cut. Her weight would have pulled loose falling to the floor and causing significant damage especially to the joints of her arms and or legs, none was found at autopsy. This child’s little body was autopsied and received full body x-rays looking specifically for any signs of abuse with current or healed broken bones and other tissue damage. She was never hung from the neck either. Death by hanging causes distinctive changes to the structures of the neck as the weight pulls the neck up and dislocates common landmarks. The autopsy of a body with a death from hanging is a common situation. The neck is dissected to reveal exact specific findings and Jonbenet’s autopsy found none.

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#20 May 4, 2012
"Burke plays downstairs by the Christmas tree. He's trying to assemble a mechanical robot made of the Legos he got for Christmas so I sit down on the floor to help him put it together, but it's way too complicted for tonight."
Henri McPhee

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#21 May 4, 2012
koldkase wrote:
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Fibers from John's shirt he wore that night were found on the genital area of the body.
The Ramsey prosecutors were lying about John's shirt fibers being found in the genital area of JonBenet's body in the same way as the MacDonald prosecutors and FBI lied about fibers in the MacDonald case.

The matter was discussed on a Larry King Live TV show once with Lin Wood:

WOOD: No, no -- but let me make a couple of points. Number one, police interrogations do not have to be fair, and they don't have to be truthful. So when they ask a question and say they've got evidence that says that fibers from her jacket appear to be consistent with fibers found in the paint tray, that may or may not be true. I know they asked John Ramsey about fibers during his interrogation, and I know for a fact that the information was not true in terms of the location of those fibers. Patsy was wearing a red and black and gray jacket, as I recall, and there were red fibers alleged to have been found on the duct tape, and on Jon Benet's body and in the paint tray. That's what they say. There were no black fibers. There were no gray fibers. We know that there are brown fibers that have never been sourced. We know that there are blue fibers that have never been sourced. So the fiber evidence is, I think, extremely weak and besides, she lived in the home. She put Jon Benet to bed that night. There's any one of many innocent explanations for why the fibers might be consistent with something Patsy was wearing.

KING: Now concerning John's clothing fibers. They say there's evidence of fibers from John's clothing on Jon Benet. Here is the father's response.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Ramsey, it is our belief, based on forensic testing that there are hairs that are associated -- that the source is the collared black shirt that you sent to us that are found in your daughter's underpants, and I want to refute...

J. RAMSEY: Bull (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I don't believe that. I don't buy it. If you're trying to disgrace my relationship with my daughter...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Ramsey, I'm not trying to...

J. RAMSEY: Well, I don't believe it. That's ridiculous.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think you are too, Bruce. Let's move on. Why don't you move on.

J. RAMSEY: That's disgusting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I am not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you are.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's move to something else, maybe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's move to another topic.

J. RAMSEY: The question is, how did fibers of your shirt get in your daughter's underwear? I say that is not possible. I don't believe it. That's ridiculous.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: So you're saying police invent things to try to get respondents to respond?

WOOD: That was invented. We know that there were black fibers found, they claim, but there were no black fibers found in the areas of Jon Benet's underwear, as claimed in that question. The Boulder Police Department did not even ask for the Ramseys to provide the department with the clothes they were wearing the night of Jon Benet's murder for over one year. They couldn't even remember what they had worn. They had to go back and look at photographs to try and reconstruct what they wore that night.

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