Fleet White Letter August 1998 - Grand Jury Reports

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I have a question for the legal people on here. In Fleet White's letter to the People of Colorado, he goes into various grand jury issues at great length. He quotes an article about Alex Hunter from the Colorado Journal, a legal publication, entitled 'D.A.Winks At This One - With or Without a Grand Jury Statement, Boulder's Prosecutor Will Still Shine.'

The article says:

'If Hunter does take the matter to the grand jury and that panel manages to wrestle the evidence it needs to hand down an actual indictment, Hunter will appear the hero for going that route...

..But if they fail to do so, Hunter could still come out smelling like a rose with the help of a little known state law that came into effect last fall: That grand jury reports may be released to the public if no indictment results from its probe..."That way, a prosecutor facing pressure to file charges can say 'See, even the grand jury couldn't find anything" said Senator Perlmutter who co-sponsored the law in 1997 Colorado Legislature. The law, which only applies to Class 1,2, and 3 felony cases, was intended to help ease the public's mind in certain investigations where a prosecutor fails to file charges, despite pressure from the police to do so as in the JonBenet case" he said.

"That grand jury reports may be released to the public if no indictment results from its probe."??

I don't understand how this fits in with anything we have come to understand about Colorado GJ secrecy laws. I am probably misinterpreting this and I apologise for being so thick, but, this is confusing me.

Ty for any explanations.
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PS. Just read this at the back of Chief Kolar's book which I finished re-reading a few mins ago.

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Heloise wrote:
I have a question for the legal people on here. In Fleet White's letter to the People of Colorado, he goes into various grand jury issues at great length. He quotes an article about Alex Hunter from the Colorado Journal, a legal publication, entitled 'D.A.Winks At This One - With or Without a Grand Jury Statement, Boulder's Prosecutor Will Still Shine.'
The article says:
'If Hunter does take the matter to the grand jury and that panel manages to wrestle the evidence it needs to hand down an actual indictment, Hunter will appear the hero for going that route...
..But if they fail to do so, Hunter could still come out smelling like a rose with the help of a little known state law that came into effect last fall: That grand jury reports may be released to the public if no indictment results from its probe..."That way, a prosecutor facing pressure to file charges can say 'See, even the grand jury couldn't find anything" said Senator Perlmutter who co-sponsored the law in 1997 Colorado Legislature. The law, which only applies to Class 1,2, and 3 felony cases, was intended to help ease the public's mind in certain investigations where a prosecutor fails to file charges, despite pressure from the police to do so as in the JonBenet case" he said.
"That grand jury reports may be released to the public if no indictment results from its probe."??
I don't understand how this fits in with anything we have come to understand about Colorado GJ secrecy laws. I am probably misinterpreting this and I apologise for being so thick, but, this is confusing me.
Ty for any explanations.
no legal expert here, but I think it was explained by the comment "little known state law that came into effect last fall". IOW, nobody challenged that fact, everyone accepted AH's word and the beat went on. AH had the jurors sign an agreement never to speak of it, too. The fix was in and we all drank the Kool-Aid.
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Nov 21, 2013
 
Grand Jury secrecy and Grand jury indictments and secrecy are two different things. They only released the indictment that was signed in this case, they didn't release the other charges or what the vote totals were, or anything about the testimony, etc.

Witnesses in this case like the Whites knew the fix was in. So did the McReynolds. From their letter in the Boulder Daily Camera: "The latest "scuttlebutt" that we are receiving is that, indeed, there will be a Grand Jury investigation orchestrated by the District Attorney and that there will be no indictment."

www.dailycamera.com
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Nov 22, 2013
 
Thanks RT and Candy.

Must say, the article does nothing to dispel discomforts about the conduct of the GJ..

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Sadly, in hindsight, we all should have known that the fix was in and there would be no indictment

I freely admit that I was confident there would be an announcement of an indictment and was shocked when Hunter made his speech.

I am no longer naÔve about the faux process in Boulder

White and McReynolds knew; after all, they saw firsthand what was happening

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Capricorn wrote:
Sadly, in hindsight, we all should have known that the fix was in and there would be no indictment
I freely admit that I was confident there would be an announcement of an indictment and was shocked when Hunter made his speech.
I am no longer naÔve about the faux process in Boulder
White and McReynolds knew; after all, they saw firsthand what was happening
Here, here Cap! I thought the exact same thing and could not believe my ears that day.(even the R's thought they'd be indicted by saying they were on their knees (again) praying in front of the tv) I think FW and SB knew Boulder's record for letting criminals skate because AH did it all the time. Seems he got reelected time and again because he saved Boulder a fortune in court costs.

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realTopaz wrote:
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Here, here Cap! I thought the exact same thing and could not believe my ears that day.(even the R's thought they'd be indicted by saying they were on their knees (again) praying in front of the tv) I think FW and SB knew Boulder's record for letting criminals skate because AH did it all the time. Seems he got reelected time and again because he saved Boulder a fortune in court costs.
HA HA So they say that they were on their knees praying, etc.

In hindsight, it was just another exercise of deception IMO

They knew damned well that there would be no trial and that there would be no indictment. AH already knew what he was going to do and indictment or not, as we have learned, the Ramseys knew they weren't going to trial

It's easy to say AFTER the fact that they were scared, praying, etc. as there is no way to prove them wrong but IMO and with the news coming out little by little about the goings on we now know that the Ramsey family surely was reassured before the GJ ever even started!

The GJ was called for the sole reason to shut up the public and hope that once the GJ was over, so would the interest

WRONG AGAIN! Like so many of the other stunts they have pulled over the years, this also came back to bite them and show them all to be the liars that they are

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Hunter should be brought to justice for what he did. The Ramseys staged cover-up of an accidental child's death pales in comparison to the gravity of damage Hunter was able to inflict on the US legal system.

There were specific things he should have done that he didn't and things he did do that he shouldn't have. He deserves to spend time in prison. That will likely never happen but karma has caught up with him and he has his own kid that died accidentally to show the world what an abysmal public servant and human being he was.

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moonjack wrote:
Hunter should be brought to justice for what he did. The Ramseys staged cover-up of an accidental child's death pales in comparison to the gravity of damage Hunter was able to inflict on the US legal system.
There were specific things he should have done that he didn't and things he did do that he shouldn't have. He deserves to spend time in prison. That will likely never happen but karma has caught up with him and he has his own kid that died accidentally to show the world what an abysmal public servant and human being he was.
Hi MJ

AH was corrupt on many levels as evidenced by the whole GJ mess and more Of that there is no doubt

As for his son, I don't know if it is Karma or not and in all fairness, my heart breaks for him as it would for any parent under those circumstances and I keep that aspect of his life separate from the case and try not to allow my sympathy for him to interfere with the fact that his actions were reprehensible regarding the JBR case

I do agree that he should be held accountable for his actions, his personal life notwithstanding!

Apples and oranges

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Capricorn wrote:
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HA HA So they say that they were on their knees praying, etc.
In hindsight, it was just another exercise of deception IMO
They knew damned well that there would be no trial and that there would be no indictment. AH already knew what he was going to do and indictment or not, as we have learned, the Ramseys knew they weren't going to trial
It's easy to say AFTER the fact that they were scared, praying, etc. as there is no way to prove them wrong but IMO and with the news coming out little by little about the goings on we now know that the Ramsey family surely was reassured before the GJ ever even started!
The GJ was called for the sole reason to shut up the public and hope that once the GJ was over, so would the interest
WRONG AGAIN! Like so many of the other stunts they have pulled over the years, this also came back to bite them and show them all to be the liars that they are
heh heh, I think they were praying AH could pull it off..afterall, the GJ DID indict and had AH not made them sign a paper saying they were eternally silenced, the indictment would have been known and the R's at the very least wouldn't have had grounds to sue just about everybody like they did.
I'm amazed MKane didn't fight the shady DA on that, and surprised we didn't figure it out when it was announced the GJ was told to stay quiet forever. If they were so innocent, why not talk? And, if no indictment meant the Ramseys were innocent, wouldn't they have marched down to police headquarters and said "OK now, let's find that killer"? Instead, they kept campaigning to win public opinion.

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Capricorn wrote:
As for his son, I don't know if it is Karma or not and in all fairness, my heart breaks for him as it would for any parent under those circumstances and I keep that aspect of his life separate from the case and try not to allow my sympathy for him to interfere with the fact that his actions were reprehensible regarding the JBR case
I do agree that he should be held accountable for his actions, his personal life notwithstanding!
Apples and oranges
Hi Cap, I think the death of Hunterís son relates specifically to his professional ability. Boulder is a college town and drugs were the # 1 criminal activity the DAís office was concerned with. Steve Thomas rotated with all the police as a narcotics officer because thatís what was needed, there wasnít an art forgery unit or organized crime speciality. I lived much of my life in a college town, a college town is not the same thing as a town with a college. The small towns and communities that make up the USA are different than the densely populated East Coast and New York. Hunter should have been well enough versed on the drug culture to know prescription drugs abuse was a prevalent element, THAT WAS HIS JOB. The majority of cases that were plea bargained instead of going to trial where for drug offenses. They werenít cases of murder or bank robbery or counterfeiting money. He should have known every slang term for that drug, known every manufacturer of that drug, and known to keep it away from his son. His son deserved better as did Jonbenet.

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moonjack wrote:
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Hi Cap, I think the death of Hunterís son relates specifically to his professional ability. Boulder is a college town and drugs were the # 1 criminal activity the DAís office was concerned with. Steve Thomas rotated with all the police as a narcotics officer because thatís what was needed, there wasnít an art forgery unit or organized crime speciality. I lived much of my life in a college town, a college town is not the same thing as a town with a college. The small towns and communities that make up the USA are different than the densely populated East Coast and New York. Hunter should have been well enough versed on the drug culture to know prescription drugs abuse was a prevalent element, THAT WAS HIS JOB. The majority of cases that were plea bargained instead of going to trial where for drug offenses. They werenít cases of murder or bank robbery or counterfeiting money. He should have known every slang term for that drug, known every manufacturer of that drug, and known to keep it away from his son. His son deserved better as did Jonbenet.
Hi MJ

Hunter's professional ability was well known to us way before he had his own personal tragedy IMO

His record of plea bargaining and the way the office was run was proof enough of the professionalism/lack of professionalism in the DA's office. It is blatantly clear that they liked things quiet and "plea bargained" with no unwarranted attention from the outside world to disrupt their happy daily lives

That all changed in 1996 and while they believed they could handle it without too much scrutiny, they too, like the Ramseys never imagined that it would turn out to be the UNtemporary attention it ultimately received.

It would be only a matter of time before they were all exposed

Hunter's office was never about justice. He passed that sentiment along to Lacy and seemingly the torch continues to be passed on

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