Proof JonBenét hated pageants

Proof JonBenét hated pageants

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#1 May 15, 2007
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story...

http://www.geocities.com/jonbenet_1990/jbbio....

http://www.pageant.com/iran/

Suesan Rajabi, Miss Colorado USA 1996 Encouraged by her parents, she entered the Miss

Colorado USA Pageant in 1996, and she won. The surprise and excitement felt like "an

out-of-body experience," she recalls. That same year, Ms. Rajabi judged one of the last

pageants in which the doomed child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey competed. She remembers

JonBenet, whose unsolved slaying in December 1996 mesmerized the nation, as genuinely sweet

and fun-loving. "I've seen little girls who seemed to be in pageants against their will, but

that wasn't true of JonBenet," Ms. Rajabi says. "She loved to perform, she loved the

costumes."
why_nut

United States

#2 May 15, 2007
Pageants are not and never have been about a love of costuming. Pageants are and always have been about a love of competition, of winning and losing, and of winning money and prizes and trophies and crowns as proof that winning took place. There are no such things as pageants where the children show up at a hotel, get dressed, perform, and then play with each other judgement-free and competition-free, with no thought of who might get a crown and who might be denied it as a result. Did JonBenet love to compete and win things? The evidence leads us to know that she did not.
Fools Gold

Grand Rapids, MI

#3 May 16, 2007
This seems contradictory.

If WhyNut feels pageants are all about winning (baseball isn't??) but JonBenet did not enjoy them, then how is it she obtained music, practiced, performed at home as a game with her parents etc.?
Capricorn

New York, NY

#4 May 16, 2007
Fools Gold wrote:
This seems contradictory.
If WhyNut feels pageants are all about winning (baseball isn't??) but JonBenet did not enjoy them, then how is it she obtained music, practiced, performed at home as a game with her parents etc.?
There's usually no choice when you are so young; you do what your parents tell you to do.

Same with baseball, etc. Some parents take it to the extreme as well; same with soccer, same with figure skating, same with piano, same with just about anything else you can name

Sometimes it's about the kids and sometimes it's about the parents. In this case, it was about Patsy. This was a generational expectation of the females in the family and JonBenet was to be no exception

SHE WOULD BE MISS AMERICA DAMN IT!
Peach Pie

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#5 May 16, 2007
There is a big difference between baseball and pageants,

Baseball is a team effort based on teamwork and athletics.

Pagents are a one person show based on outward beauty, most of it false such as hair dye, eyelashes, hair extensions and expensive costumes.

I certainly would choose baseball over pagents to install values to children.
Dee

Clementon, NJ

#6 May 16, 2007
Sorry questions you came up short.

For starters 2 of your 3 "experts" are the same person and used the same quote. Did you think you would fool us?

Second, all of both of your opinion leaders are themselves in the business, not a very objective set of opinions.

Jonbenet was allowed to talk to a freind before her puppet act - oh boy what a mom!

Lots of kids want to do things like dance and sports etc...only to want to quit in short order. Mine sure did. Some parents make them and some parents allow them to stop. We have no idea what the situation was in that family. It does not surprise me that even if she did not like it, she would do as she was told in an effort to please her mother. Good kids do that.
Nelly

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#7 May 16, 2007
Dee wrote:
Sorry questions you came up short.
For starters 2 of your 3 "experts" are the same person and used the same quote. Did you think you would fool us?
Second, all of both of your opinion leaders are themselves in the business, not a very objective set of opinions.
Jonbenet was allowed to talk to a freind before her puppet act - oh boy what a mom!
Lots of kids want to do things like dance and sports etc...only to want to quit in short order. Mine sure did. Some parents make them and some parents allow them to stop. We have no idea what the situation was in that family. It does not surprise me that even if she did not like it, she would do as she was told in an effort to please her mother. Good kids do that.
I wonder if those kids who went to school with JBR remember that last Christmas where JB performed all day out in the hall?
Peach Pie

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#8 May 16, 2007
I thought that it was demeaning to the other children to have JonBenet perform at school.
Yacky

Avondale, AZ

#9 May 16, 2007
Why all the talk about the silly little pageants? Oh that's right, there's no evidence against the Ramsey's to talk about, so it's all you got.

“Idaho Wilderness”

Since: Apr 07

United States

#10 May 16, 2007
Yacky wrote:
Why all the talk about the silly little pageants? Oh that's right, there's no evidence against the Ramsey's to talk about, so it's all you got.
Yep, that's it in a nutshell, Yacky.
Nelly

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#11 May 16, 2007
Peach Pie wrote:
I thought that it was demeaning to the other children to have JonBenet perform at school.
How so, PeachPie? I thought it was more demeaning to JB, being 'set aside' like that and made to believe she was different from the others. I don't think you do a kid a big favor by telling them they're 'special'.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#12 May 16, 2007
Yacky wrote:
Why all the talk about the silly little pageants? Oh that's right, there's no evidence against the Ramsey's to talk about, so it's all you got.
You know Yacky, having seen you I would have to say that you outgrew these types of responses about 30 years ago; at least you SHOULD have

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#13 May 16, 2007
Nelly wrote:
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How so, PeachPie? I thought it was more demeaning to JB, being 'set aside' like that and made to believe she was different from the others. I don't think you do a kid a big favor by telling them they're 'special'.
EXCELLENT POINT NELLY!
Nelly

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#14 May 16, 2007
Capricorn wrote:
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EXCELLENT POINT NELLY!
Thank you, Cap:D
Poor little girl looked so isolated and tired.
Peach Pie

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#15 May 16, 2007
I don't mean to criticize JonBenet as she surely was not the one who insisted on performing for classmates, but rather her mother insisted upon it-- She was not a celebrity, she really had no talent. She could not carry a tune.

Perhaps some of the other kids were resentful because their mothers did not buy them all the costumes and lessons so they could perform too. I find the whole world of kiddie pageants very offensive as well.
Nelly

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#16 May 16, 2007
Peach Pie wrote:
I don't mean to criticize JonBenet as she surely was not the one who insisted on performing for classmates, but rather her mother insisted upon it-- She was not a celebrity, she really had no talent. She could not carry a tune.
Perhaps some of the other kids were resentful because their mothers did not buy them all the costumes and lessons so they could perform too. I find the whole world of kiddie pageants very offensive as well.
I completely agree that JBR was short on talent, and that's not mean or personal or anything but the truth. I can't carry a tune either, so it's not as though I'm a talented songbird, lol.
I just think putting her out there alone to perform for passers by, was subjecting JBR to ridicule. Kids are mean, and anything a child does (parents orders or not) that sets him/her apart from their peers is only fuel for teasing and bullying. We were merciless to this one boy who always came to (elem)school in a suit and bowtie and was dropped off by his mother and the family poodle. The girls beat him up regularly;)
Capricorn

New York, NY

#17 May 17, 2007
This is why it is an unfair comparison when the RST come out swinging, comparing JBR to Tiger Woods, or others

JBR ONLY had her good looks, which Patsy obviously knew NEEDED to be over the top because when you watch the videos, JBR is a poor singer, a poor dancer etc. Also, not being mean, just realistic and truthful

SOME children are natural born talents in certain areas as we have seen over the years whether it be piano, baseball, gold, singing, etc.

In JBR's case none of that applied and it was strictly Patsy's expectations and expensive accessories to JBR that had her winning pageants, NOT talent or any "inborn" gifts. It was strictly beauty and "sexy", which sadly, got her attention, but for the wrong reasons.
Dee

Trenton, NJ

#18 May 17, 2007
Yacky wrote:
Why all the talk about the silly little pageants? Oh that's right, there's no evidence against the Ramsey's to talk about, so it's all you got.
Because one of the IDI flock brought it up and others replied. Duh.
Indigo

Falmouth, ME

#19 May 17, 2007
Yacky wrote:
Why all the talk about the silly little pageants? Oh that's right, there's no evidence against the Ramsey's to talk about, so it's all you got.
Those "silly little pageants" seemed to be enough of a problem for some of Patsy's best friends to plan an intervention.(Fernie's, etc.) Do you have *any* idea how hard that must have been for them to decide? There was a real chance that they would lose Patsy's friendship for the criticism.

Apparently, these people valued JonBenet enough to speak up for her well-being...something that seems to get lost in the translation around these parts.
Capricorn

New York, NY

#20 May 17, 2007
AND....at least 99% of the American public couldn't financially afford those "silly little pageants" if their kid was interested

Those "silly little pageants" meant enough to the Paughs to invest big time not only on cosmetics but costumes, dance lessons, singing lessons (none of which helped BTW), French lessons (someone wanna tell me why JBR needed to learn French, when by all accounts, couldn't even read or write her own name?)and the like

So those "silly little pageants" and those "few Sunday afternoons" are important it seems to the RST only when they are imagining the killer having seen her there ON DISPLAY

Hypocrites, every last one of 'em!

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