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Steve Eller

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I want a new grand jury empanelled ASAP but one that is not investigating the Ramseys. They need to haul in that pathetic Alex Hunter and make him come clean IMMEDIATELY for once and for all. Obstruction, conspiracy...this was no unintended bungling of an investigation and prosecution. The fact that the Grand Jury voted to indict and Hunter refused shows that the fix was in probably before any Police Officer responded to the call at the House. That is why the phone records were never subpoenaed.
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Jan 27, 2013
 
This explains why Chief Kolar WAS trying to get a grand jury FIRST, before writing a book. Alex did the same thing in the Sid Wells cse, I posted on it on my Exclusive by Charlie Brennan and The Boulder Daily Camera.
Steve Eller

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candy wrote:
This explains why Chief Kolar WAS trying to get a grand jury FIRST, before writing a book. Alex did the same thing in the Sid Wells cse, I posted on it on my Exclusive by Charlie Brennan and The Boulder Daily Camera.
This is the perfect impetus for James Kolar to gain REAL TRACTION. Hopefully he can do it. At this point I am so angry that my current wish is to see Hunter in jail.
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Not that it is likely to happen.
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Steve Eller wrote:
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This is the perfect impetus for James Kolar to gain REAL TRACTION. Hopefully he can do it. At this point I am so angry that my current wish is to see Hunter in jail.
I agree. Chief Kolar's book will be given a second look now, because of these revelations. Mainstream Media DO YOUR JOB and feature Chief Kolar's book on TV, national ,cable everywhere in the United States.

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But what does Kolar think the Ramseys are guilty of exactly? Doesn't he think that Burke dealt the fatal blow?

Given that "Burke did it" was an inexplicably popular view even before Kolar's book came out, I have a certain amount of sympathy for Hunter's position.(And I believe that the story says that Hunter's team of outside advisors was divided on whether or not to prosecute.)
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Jan 28, 2013
 
Fr_Brown wrote:
But what does Kolar think the Ramseys are guilty of exactly? Doesn't he think that Burke dealt the fatal blow?
Given that "Burke did it" was an inexplicably popular view even before Kolar's book came out, I have a certain amount of sympathy for Hunter's position.(And I believe that the story says that Hunter's team of outside advisors was divided on whether or not to prosecute.)
He does not say in the book what he thinks the Ramseys are specifically guilty of. He casts a critical eye on the evidence regarding an intruder and EVERYONE in the house, and he leaves it to the readers to draw THEIR OWN conclusions as to who did what.

He wrote a "Theory for a Prosecution" about how to proceed with a prosecution in this case, and it is NOT in the book. It was intended for BPD Chief Mark Beckner and DA Stan Garnett.

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Fr_Brown wrote:
But what does Kolar think the Ramseys are guilty of exactly? Doesn't he think that Burke dealt the fatal blow?
Given that "Burke did it" was an inexplicably popular view even before Kolar's book came out, I have a certain amount of sympathy for Hunter's position.(And I believe that the story says that Hunter's team of outside advisors was divided on whether or not to prosecute.)
Why would you be sympathetic to Hunter? Even if he decided NOT to prosecute, he LIED to the public. He did not tell the truth. I would feel more sympathy for him if he had told the truth and stated that despite the GJ decision, he could not or would not prosecute. At least he would have done the NON cowardly thing and owned his decision instead of blaming it on the GJ and lying to the public

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candy wrote:
He does not say in the book what he thinks the Ramseys are specifically guilty of. He casts a critical eye on the evidence regarding an intruder and EVERYONE in the house, and he leaves it to the readers to draw THEIR OWN conclusions as to who did what.
He wrote a "Theory for a Prosecution" about how to proceed with a prosecution in this case, and it is NOT in the book. It was intended for BPD Chief Mark Beckner and DA Stan Garnett.
Actually, Kolar leads his readers to the conclusion that Burke did it via argument by innuendo. But leaving that aside, I'm really asking why the "Burke did it" folks (which I assume includes Kolar) are celebrating the grand jury decision if in fact BDIs think the Ramseys are guilty of a lesser crime than murder. I'm really asking.

I'm happy because I'm PDIJCIL (Patsy did it, John chimed in later). I guess I figure John's got it coming.

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Jan 28, 2013
 
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Why would you be sympathetic to Hunter? Even if he decided NOT to prosecute, he LIED to the public. He did not tell the truth. I would feel more sympathy for him if he had told the truth and stated that despite the GJ decision, he could not or would not prosecute. At least he would have done the NON cowardly thing and owned his decision instead of blaming it on the GJ and lying to the public
Aren't you slightly misrepresenting my position? With many counter narratives out there, the case would be hard to prosecute successfully. On the other hand, the case was unlikely to get better....
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Why would you be sympathetic to Hunter? Even if he decided NOT to prosecute, he LIED to the public. He did not tell the truth. I would feel more sympathy for him if he had told the truth and stated that despite the GJ decision, he could not or would not prosecute. At least he would have done the NON cowardly thing and owned his decision instead of blaming it on the GJ and lying to the public
Let's also keep in mind that the Prosecution does not have to present all of the evidence that it has against the suspects to the Grand Jury. It is unusual for the Prosecutor to present exculpatory evidence to the Gramd Jury as it did in this case via Lou Smit's presentation. Even if Burke killed JonBenet it does not mean the Parents could not have been charged with the crime.
I know and am pleased by the fact that on this forum most RDI proponents bend over backwards to be inclusive engaging and objective but let's not take the bait by falling for the 'poor Hunter what could he do' drama.
This was a very prosecutable case (and the grand jury agrees with me) Hunter was part of the conspiracy to make this case go away and he did a masterful job.

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Jan 28, 2013
 
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Let's also keep in mind that the Prosecution does not have to present all of the evidence that it has against the suspects to the Grand Jury. It is unusual for the Prosecutor to present exculpatory evidence to the Gramd Jury as it did in this case via Lou Smit's presentation. Even if Burke killed JonBenet it does not mean the Parents could not have been charged with the crime.
I know and am pleased by the fact that on this forum most RDI proponents bend over backwards to be inclusive engaging and objective but let's not take the bait by falling for the 'poor Hunter what could he do' drama.
This was a very prosecutable case (and the grand jury agrees with me) Hunter was part of the conspiracy to make this case go away and he did a masterful job.
I thought the story said that Hunter's outside advisors were divided about whether or not to prosecute. They were privy to all the evidence. I'll have to read that again.

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If they had the DNA evidence that we do now, as from the waistband, noone would even think of prosecuting the Ramseys.

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Aren't you slightly misrepresenting my position? With many counter narratives out there, the case would be hard to prosecute successfully. On the other hand, the case was unlikely to get better....
This is a related article:
http://gma.yahoo.com/jonbenets-parents-indict...

I agree, that a murder conviction would be very difficult to achieve, but I think obstruction of justice and child abuse could have resulted in a conviction. The reason for the difficulty in the murder conviction, is the fact that the prosecution would have to point to the individual who performed each act. With 3 suspects, it would have been difficult.
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I thought the story said that Hunter's outside advisors were divided about whether or not to prosecute. They were privy to all the evidence. I'll have to read that again.
Bill Wise himself said that at least two prosecutors working on the case wanted to go ahead with the prosecution. Of course there were those in the Boulder DA's Office who were opposed to prosecuting the Ramseys a priori like Tripp DeMuth. I am not sure about the positions of his outside advisers but the evidence was there in abundance. The Grand Jury listened to the ever meretricious arguments of Lou Smit and still indicted, that says a lot.
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If they had the DNA evidence that we do now, as from the waistband, noone would even think of prosecuting the Ramseys.
Yea you're right our tax dollars would have been much better spent pursuing the six midget ninja contortionists who enetered the house and committed the crime--or NOT. There is foreign DNA on all of us, that does not necessarily indicate that criminality is afoot. You can keep screaming about DNA in this case as long as you like but the jig is up and there was no intruder.

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Yea you're right our tax dollars would have been much better spent pursuing the six midget ninja contortionists who enetered the house and committed the crime--or NOT. There is foreign DNA on all of us, that does not necessarily indicate that criminality is afoot. You can keep screaming about DNA in this case as long as you like but the jig is up and there was no intruder.
No brainer. Ramseys are innocent. DNA found by two separate agencies and neither matches any Ramsey. You lose.

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DNA is artifact, it IS a 'brainer', if they had prosecuted for the child abuse charges they would have gotten a conviction, but you go on believing your GARY KILLED EVERYONE theory.
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<quoted text>No brainer. Ramseys are innocent. DNA found by two separate agencies and neither matches any Ramsey. You lose.

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Aren't you slightly misrepresenting my position? With many counter narratives out there, the case would be hard to prosecute successfully. On the other hand, the case was unlikely to get better....
No, I didn't think I was misinterpreting the position. I was not referring to whether or not Hunter would or should prosecute. I was referring to having NO sympathy for LYING about what the GJ decided in order to take the onus off of him for a lack of prosecution. Instead of being a man and more important, A DISTRICT ATTORNEY, stating the truth, he chose to put the blame on the GJ not indicting.

I think everyone would understand his position had he stated it. He chose to hide behind the GJ secrecy instead of letting the public know the truth. Had the public known the truth, perhaps Lacy, Smit, etc. might not have thrown so many others under the bus at taxpayer expense. Perhaps JMK might still be in Thailand instead of a celebrity

Fleet White and so many others might not have had to endure the finger pointing

The list is endless but the bottom line is that keeping that a secret subjected so many others to hurt and allowed so many others to keep spinning the facts; something that would have been much more difficult, if not impossible to do when the truth is out there

It is not just about Hunter. His choice of being dirty caused lots of others to suffer for no good reason

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Jan 28, 2013
 
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<quoted text>No brainer. Ramseys are innocent. DNA found by two separate agencies and neither matches any Ramsey. You lose.
It is a no brainer, it cannot be proven, that they cannot positively connect the contributor of the DNA with the crime even if they found a DNA match, so the DNA does not exonerate anyone.
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