New documentary SHOULD/WILL be called "America's Jonbenet"!

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GINK

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As I watch millions swim in a bunch of misleading ideas about Jonbenet's death, The 1998 documentary shown in UK "Jonbenet's America" is a political assassination of the truth by an evil man.

The more fair title of a documentary SHOULD be called "America's Jonbenet"! She died not in vein, but an American Hero as in the end, America owes her the respect of the truth, we dont owe the auther of
the 1998 documentary "Jonbenet's America" a dam thing anymore.

We owe America the truth, so our society can see how evil was stopped before it continued to attack all that binds us as a free country. Both, Jonbenet and America need the truth so we can truly respect the sacrifice of this child and give America back the freedoms which she paid for with her life.

It's been 17 years, it's time we learn the truth in how December 25, 1996 was only the beginning of the end of the attack on what I will call "America's Jonbenet", which represents over 30 years of madness by one individual who had the nerve to describe his version of Jonbenet's life and death with direct regard to America As "Jonbenet's America".

She is the greatest American victim and needs to be recognized as "An American hero". She paid for our freedom! It's time, and only fair for Jonbenet, her Family and her Country, which is a better place for all of us Americans... "The Truth Will Set Us all Free" for the first time! This true story spans from long before 1996 and continues to hurt so many, some won't ever be healthy again in spirit unless the truth be told. The price is high for such truth and some will be losing what little they have, some are secretly paying the price and dying each day as they too have not been honored in a silent way, which could have saved these few people from their slow but definite identity crises and emotional burden that constantly is taking their self esteem away, slowly losing their own freedom. There are many victims that are not making it as they feel they are truly nobody because they can't tell the truth, leaving them truly as one put it " put out to pasture" and another lives in the lowest level of their self esteem even though they risked their life working on this case and gets no ability to to be "ALIVE and Proud" and continually sacrifices their true life's accomplishments, he must lie to everyone he meets when they ask " What is the best thing you have ever achieved?" He has to lie for the rest of his life, no one knows that feeling if you haven't had to do it on your own for the rest of your life.

So, the question is, Should he die slowly, unrecognized for anything he has sacrificed in this circumstance? The only plaque on his wall is... well there isn't one.

"America's Jonbenet", not 1998's American assault on America called "Jonbenet's America" should be the truthful Title USA for ever!!! Forever in my mind, Jonbenet! United States of America.

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I agree we owe Jonbenet the respect of the truth but don't condsider her any sort of hero. It's a slap in the face to real people that have died or been wounded in true defense of the United States or doing something selfless for another human being. That's as egotistical as Patsy wanting her to be remembered as America's Princess.

She's far from the greatest American victim either. She died accidentally - quickly and quietly at home surrounded by her family. So ashamed and embarrassed by the event they concocted an altered reality to impress themselves and everyone else.

Our society is owed the truth, so we can learn from the tragedy and prevent the molestation and dysfunction that defined the Ramsey family.
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moonjack wrote:
I agree we owe Jonbenet the respect of the truth but don't condsider her any sort of hero. It's a slap in the face to real people that have died or been wounded in true defense of the United States or doing something selfless for another human being. That's as egotistical as Patsy wanting her to be remembered as America's Princess.
She's far from the greatest American victim either. She died accidentally - quickly and quietly at home surrounded by her family. So ashamed and embarrassed by the event they concocted an altered reality to impress themselves and everyone else.
Our society is owed the truth, so we can learn from the tragedy and prevent the molestation and dysfunction that defined the Ramsey family.
WEll, there's only one truth, and it wasn't an accident. But your opinion is what you think is proper to belive.:)

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Gink, I appreciate your impassioned rhetoric on behalf of an abused and murdered child; but then you cloak it in mysterious, vague innuendo yourself.

There are about a dozen or more names and scenarios anyone who has followed the case can use to "fill in the blanks."

One thing I've learned is if you're not willing to tell the truth yourself, you can't hope to be free of lies and manipulation.

That goes for everyone, and especially the Ramseys.

What are you afraid of, Gink, that you can't just spit out what you're trying to say? Ridicule? Backlash? Challenges?

Then welcome to "Why no one has ever been tried and convicted for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey."
GINK

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koldkase wrote:
Gink, I appreciate your impassioned rhetoric on behalf of an abused and murdered child; but then you cloak it in mysterious, vague innuendo yourself.
There are about a dozen or more names and scenarios anyone who has followed the case can use to "fill in the blanks."
One thing I've learned is if you're not willing to tell the truth yourself, you can't hope to be free of lies and manipulation.
That goes for everyone, and especially the Ramseys.
What are you afraid of, Gink, that you can't just spit out what you're trying to say? Ridicule? Backlash? Challenges?
Then welcome to "Why no one has ever been tried and convicted for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey."
because this case is gagged.

But the truth will be beyond reasonable doubt. I'm not a speculator, I've honored a gag order that isn't worth a dime in 2013 like it was in 2006. the truth explicitly will not be new, just finally explained. It's time to do this, the country is resilient now that the threats are long gone. I have a right to finally say what needs to be shared, I've lost more than ever recognize by anyone, so you don't need to understand why I loyally waited,see no value in not sharing in this perfectly named, new documentary. I get your point,but now is time, very soon. Thanks for your opinion, spot on and that is why the time has come.

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Go for it Gink!

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

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GINK wrote:
It's time to do this, the country is resilient now that the threats are long gone.
Huh? America lives day to day on the verge of war with financial collapse whispering in the wind.
GINK wrote:
I'm... I've... I... I've... I... I...
The truth about Jonbenet is about her, her family, and the Bouler DA. Not you.

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So it's time...but not now...soon...but not now....

Sorry, Gink, but the time is long passed.

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Hard to even discern what Gink is even talking about but using the dates she has given re: 2006, it must be associated with one of two things:

Patsy died
JMK lied
koldkase wrote:
So it's time...but not now...soon...but not now....
Sorry, Gink, but the time is long passed.
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I think you all have proven me wrong. As they say a group of people are always right. So, I'll leave my subject off of your forum. Thanks for the overwhelming opposition to my idea. It tells me the truth about what really people don't want.

Take care. Gink.

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Gink,

I think people (myself included) have no idea what you were trying to say. You kept going around in circles and not "saying" what was in your head.

Whatever the point was in your post, missed the mark, through your words. I would love to know what you were trying to say, but I am not good at all with trying to read the mind of someone making veiled references.

If you thought it important enough to bring here, then it is important enough for us to read. Why don't you try again, and get to the point and stick with the point?
GINK wrote:
I think you all have proven me wrong. As they say a group of people are always right. So, I'll leave my subject off of your forum. Thanks for the overwhelming opposition to my idea. It tells me the truth about what really people don't want.
Take care. Gink.

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GINK wrote:
I think you all have proven me wrong. As they say a group of people are always right. So, I'll leave my subject off of your forum. Thanks for the overwhelming opposition to my idea. It tells me the truth about what really people don't want.
Take care. Gink.
What "idea"? If you have an "idea" then you have managed to conceal it inside obscure implications of actual evidence relevant to the case.

But you weren't ever going to tell us one damn thing anyway, Gink. You never do.

What "people" really want is straight forward honesty, not more misleading game-playing.

So I can only conclude you have nothing. There is no "gag" involved in this case which any of us know about. That's just another excuse to run away after your tease.

So much for justice and heroics.

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What "idea"? If you have an "idea" then you have managed to conceal it inside obscure implications of actual evidence relevant to the case.
But you weren't ever going to tell us one damn thing anyway, Gink. You never do.
What "people" really want is straight forward honesty, not more misleading game-playing.
So I can only conclude you have nothing. There is no "gag" involved in this case which any of us know about. That's just another excuse to run away after your tease.
So much for justice and heroics.
"BOULDER, Colorado (CNN)-- John Mark Karr, the suspect in the 1996 slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, is scheduled to have his first court appearance Monday, Colorado District Court announced Friday.

Karr will appear before Judge Roxanne Bailin at 4:30 p.m.(6:30 p.m. ET).

Bailin on Friday issued a gag order, which applies to all attorneys and law enforcement officials involved in the case. While the principals can discuss some aspects of the case, they are not allowed to say anything that could jeopardize Karr receiving a fair trial.

The order is necessary because of 'the intense interest of the media in this matter and the amount of publicity that has resulted," Bailin wrote.'The court is concerned that the extensive participant and public comment will disrupt the processes by which a fair trial may be preserved.'"

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/25/ramsey.arre...

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Mama2JML wrote:
<quoted text>"BOULDER, Colorado (CNN)-- John Mark Karr, the suspect in the 1996 slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, is scheduled to have his first court appearance Monday, Colorado District Court announced Friday.
Karr will appear before Judge Roxanne Bailin at 4:30 p.m.(6:30 p.m. ET).
Bailin on Friday issued a gag order, which applies to all attorneys and law enforcement officials involved in the case. While the principals can discuss some aspects of the case, they are not allowed to say anything that could jeopardize Karr receiving a fair trial.
The order is necessary because of 'the intense interest of the media in this matter and the amount of publicity that has resulted," Bailin wrote.'The court is concerned that the extensive participant and public comment will disrupt the processes by which a fair trial may be preserved.'"
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/25/ramsey.arre...
Are you trying to tell me Gink was a "principle" in the Karr arrest?

Hm. Then Gink would have to be a lawyer or Karr.

In either event (neither of which I am convinced), the charges against Karr were dropped, so no "gag" since that date in 2006.

Another red herring, just like Karr.

“If life gives you melons”

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Mama2JML wrote:
<quoted text>"BOULDER, Colorado (CNN)-- John Mark Karr, the suspect in the 1996 slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, is scheduled to have his first court appearance Monday, Colorado District Court announced Friday.
Karr will appear before Judge Roxanne Bailin at 4:30 p.m.(6:30 p.m. ET).
Bailin on Friday issued a gag order, which applies to all attorneys and law enforcement officials involved in the case. While the principals can discuss some aspects of the case, they are not allowed to say anything that could jeopardize Karr receiving a fair trial.
The order is necessary because of 'the intense interest of the media in this matter and the amount of publicity that has resulted," Bailin wrote.'The court is concerned that the extensive participant and public comment will disrupt the processes by which a fair trial may be preserved.'"
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/25/ramsey.arre...
That was 2006 BEFORE he was released by Boulder. It isn't applicable now, what are you thinking?

Gink has done this for years and years and years. Same chit, different flies!

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Oops, sorry, I meant "princiPAL in the case".

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GINK wrote:
<quoted text>because this case is gagged.
But the truth will be beyond reasonable doubt. I'm not a speculator, I've honored a gag order that isn't worth a dime in 2013 like it was in 2006. the truth explicitly will not be new, just finally explained. It's time to do this, the country is resilient now that the threats are long gone. I have a right to finally say what needs to be shared, I've lost more than ever recognize by anyone, so you don't need to understand why I loyally waited,see no value in not sharing in this perfectly named, new documentary. I get your point,but now is time, very soon. Thanks for your opinion, spot on and that is why the time has come.
If you and your friends want to go there, fine. Just remember you started it.

If charges against Karr for 2 weeks in 2006 and then dropped can merit a gag order still in effect in 2013, then I'm going to have to see some credible source for that.

If you are implying you were his lawyer or worked for his lawyers, your responsibilities are not reliant upon a gag order. You would know that, so I don't think that's your story.

If you were law enforcement working the case, no "gag order" from 2006 would apply to you in that case, either, which you would know. Again, nope.

If you're implying you were a victim of Karr or a witness to crimes he committed, then guess what? The original gag order hasn't applied since 2006--which is what you seem to be saying here yourself.

Since Karr's charges were dropped, he's a free man. He certainly talked about his sick fantasies in every media that would have him after his release. So I can't imagine how anyone could consider him/herself a "principal" witness for a non-existent murder case against Karr and under a gag order now.

You wrote, "I've lost more than ever recognize by anyone, so you don't need to understand why I loyally waited...." How could we possibly recognize what you've lost as we have NO IDEA who you are?(At least, I don't.)

And YES, I DO need to understand why you'd wait 7 years to reveal "beyond reasonable doubt" who murdered JonBenet Ramsey.

Then again, who cares? If you know, SPIT IT OUT. You did represent this as your intent, after all.

No? Fine. I never thought you would. I don't believe you have any information remotely related to the death of JonBenet Ramsey to share which changes one thing. I have seen this kind of posturing many times before, you know: melodramatic entrances full of sound and fury, but always and forever signifying nothing. No sane person familiar with this case could possibly blame anyone for being skeptical of your histrionics.

Bottom line: This is on you, not us.

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#1. Posting on a public TOPIX forum is not anything I'd recommend to anyone with personal challenges.

#2. The possible release of the Grand Jury Indictment listing John and Patsy Ramsey responsible for child abuse leading to the death of Jonbenet will bring out lots of posts talking in tongues.
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I have not been on topix since 2006, except once or twice in 2008-9... so bash away.

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