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Author strikes down intruder theory in JonBenet murder

There are 59 comments on the MSNBC story from Jul 26, 2012, titled Author strikes down intruder theory in JonBenet murder. In it, MSNBC reports that:

JonBenA©t Ramsey was likely not killed by an intruder, according to a former investigator on the 1996 high-profile murder case.

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“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#42 Jul 30, 2012
louisew wrote:
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I'll have to get the book. If it isn't part of the inventory, then I suppose it wasn't considered part of the crime. I don't recall any transcripts mentioning it either. Then why take pictures?
Yeah I know. Read the book.
Crime scenes are always recorded and pictures taken in situ, and scenes are recorded inclusive. One never knows after the scene has been released when something will come up that actually ties to the crime. In this case, my opinion is that it isn't connected, but who knows?
louisew

Margate, UK

#43 Jul 30, 2012
Thanks Legal_Eagle. I didn't know that.

Since: Jul 10

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#44 Jul 30, 2012
Feces on a candy box may not be specific to the action that ended her life but it relates to the dysfunction and discord in the family and that is ultimately a part of why she is dead.

This is a bigger pathological deal than anybody realizes.

The mega Jonbenet thing intervention was probably about this.

The doctor office visits and trips to the school nurse were probably about this.
learnin

Overbrook, KS

#45 Jul 30, 2012
Having read the book, I think it's safe to assume that BR was the feces spreader. He was known to spread it on the wall of the bathroom. Kolar said a pair of pajamas, in JBR's room, had feces in them and they were larger than JBR's size...and then the feces spread on JBR's chocolates...sounds like to me that someone was jealous of his sister...someone probably gave her the box of chocolates and he ruined them...probably hoping she would even take a bite....sounds like he might have had some issues toward his sister who got a lot of attention.

Since: May 11

Seattle, WA

#46 Jul 30, 2012
learnin wrote:
Having read the book, I think it's safe to assume that BR was the feces spreader. He was known to spread it on the wall of the bathroom. Kolar said a pair of pajamas, in JBR's room, had feces in them and they were larger than JBR's size...and then the feces spread on JBR's chocolates...sounds like to me that someone was jealous of his sister...someone probably gave her the box of chocolates and he ruined them...probably hoping she would even take a bite....sounds like he might have had some issues toward his sister who got a lot of attention.
Nothing says F*U like feces on your candy. Maybe you're right because he DID have a lot to be jealous of. Might explain his tears when he learned the trip was canceled.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#47 Jul 30, 2012
He obviously had big issues with his sister. To give ANYONE, let alone a sibling, a box of chocolates smeared in feces, is so PATHOLOGICALLY SICK, that it takes your breath away. As Dr. Drew said, you're only as sick as your secrets, and this is VERY SICK. There's also later on a DEAD CHILD IN THE BASEMENT OF A LOCKED HOUSE.

Here's an interview from The Peter Boyles show with Linda Wilcox, relaying the story about Burke asking Patsy "Mom, am I fat", about the differences in attention showered on JonBenet, versus how he was treated:

http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/07211998lindawil...

Since: May 11

Seattle, WA

#48 Jul 30, 2012
candy wrote:
He obviously had big issues with his sister. To give ANYONE, let alone a sibling, a box of chocolates smeared in feces, is so PATHOLOGICALLY SICK, that it takes your breath away. As Dr. Drew said, you're only as sick as your secrets, and this is VERY SICK. There's also later on a DEAD CHILD IN THE BASEMENT OF A LOCKED HOUSE.
Here's an interview from The Peter Boyles show with Linda Wilcox, relaying the story about Burke asking Patsy "Mom, am I fat", about the differences in attention showered on JonBenet, versus how he was treated:
http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/07211998lindawil...
Hi Candy, thanks for the link. I thought it was disturbing that the only thing he said to FW that morning was "beep beep". He was so happy in the pictures after her death, maybe he did hate her. He became the center of the universe once again.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#49 Jul 31, 2012
realTopaz wrote:
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Hi Candy, thanks for the link. I thought it was disturbing that the only thing he said to FW that morning was "beep beep". He was so happy in the pictures after her death, maybe he did hate her. He became the center of the universe once again.
I'm sure there are lots of stories to go along with the stories we have already heard. Maybe one day they will all come out. Burke certainly must have had issues with his sister. Not only did they have the usual sibling issues that an older brother and younger sister would have but the added burden of the sister being in the pageants and "mommy's" pride and joy, leaving no time for him.

I always wondered whether the "Asbergers" will ever also come out and dispell or confirm that rumor too

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

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#50 Jul 31, 2012
Correction: Aspergers

Since: May 11

Seattle, WA

#51 Jul 31, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
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I'm sure there are lots of stories to go along with the stories we have already heard. Maybe one day they will all come out. Burke certainly must have had issues with his sister. Not only did they have the usual sibling issues that an older brother and younger sister would have but the added burden of the sister being in the pageants and "mommy's" pride and joy, leaving no time for him.
I always wondered whether the "Asbergers" will ever also come out and dispell or confirm that rumor too
Hi Cappy:D
I doubt he has Aspberger's because he's so social. I don't think an Aspberger's sufferer would be able or care to shop til they drop for namebrand items like Burberry and Rolex. Nothing wrong with him except perhaps a lack of conscience. IMHOOC

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#52 Jul 31, 2012
realTopaz wrote:
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Hi Cappy:D
I doubt he has Aspberger's because he's so social. I don't think an Aspberger's sufferer would be able or care to shop til they drop for namebrand items like Burberry and Rolex. Nothing wrong with him except perhaps a lack of conscience. IMHOOC
Hi there RT,

Like other developmental disabilities, there are varying degrees of every diagnosis. I worked with a man who had Aspbergers and he was social; not always appropriately social, but held down a job and it involved meetings and people, etc.

I don't know anything about Burke or if he was ever officially diagnosed but don't let the social thing fool you. We don't know if or how often he is socially inept or inappropriate. His enjoyment of alcohol may not only just be a youthful thing, but might make him able to be with people without screwing up

We just don't know

Since: May 11

Seattle, WA

#53 Jul 31, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
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Hi there RT,
Like other developmental disabilities, there are varying degrees of every diagnosis. I worked with a man who had Aspbergers and he was social; not always appropriately social, but held down a job and it involved meetings and people, etc.
I don't know anything about Burke or if he was ever officially diagnosed but don't let the social thing fool you. We don't know if or how often he is socially inept or inappropriate. His enjoyment of alcohol may not only just be a youthful thing, but might make him able to be with people without screwing up
We just don't know
That's very interesting, Cap! I don't know much about autism and the varying degrees of it, always thought Aspberger's never make eye contact and can't be with people for very long..live and learn:D
I'm surprised by the fact that not a single school mate ever came forward to say anything about Burke, especially if he was 'different'. Nothing in all those years, no strange behaviors mentioned, no student's parents gossiping..crickets.
If he was responsible for JB's headblow or strangling her, it most definitely was personal because he never struck another child or had a little 'incident' after that. Straightened right up after that Christmas.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#54 Aug 1, 2012
realTopaz wrote:
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That's very interesting, Cap! I don't know much about autism and the varying degrees of it, always thought Aspberger's never make eye contact and can't be with people for very long..live and learn:D
I'm surprised by the fact that not a single school mate ever came forward to say anything about Burke, especially if he was 'different'. Nothing in all those years, no strange behaviors mentioned, no student's parents gossiping..crickets.
If he was responsible for JB's headblow or strangling her, it most definitely was personal because he never struck another child or had a little 'incident' after that. Straightened right up after that Christmas.
No,there are no other incidents or anecdotes that we have heard but it doesn't mean they don't exist. Maybe in the future, tidbits will come out or maybe not

For the BDI theorists (most of them), the death was an accident and the result of a sibling fight gone bad, so there is room there for interpretation of the scenario of that night. In mine, I don't think that Burke knew THEN that he may have been responsible for the wheels that went into motion that night but surely has figured it out over the years IMO

We just don't know but the evidence coming out now with the Kolar book still puts the onus of that night back on the Ramseys and IMO, they covered for Burke
Henri McPhee

Bournemouth, UK

#55 Aug 1, 2012
I have not read this Kolar book but it looks like another discredited Steve Thomas book to me with the same ludicrously unsatisfactory theories without facts.

In this recent Ramsey case Injustice book by former Boulder cop Bob Whitson he asks some interesting questions:

"Mark Beckner failed to present information about the intruder theory to the team of experts in 2009? Why? Anyone who disagreed with the prevailing theory that Patsy murdered JonBenet was ordered to be quiet and ostracized from the investigation. Why? According to attorney Lin Wood, the Boulder Police Department used the news media to falsely accuse John and Patsy of murdering JonBenet.

According to Lou Smit and based on my personal involvement with the case, the Boulder Police Department failed to conduct interviews with possible suspects or test relevant evidence. Why?

As I finish this book in 2012 it has been over three years since JonBenet's case has been returned to the Boulder Police Department. The case remains unsolved."
shunter

UK

#56 Aug 1, 2012
Henri McPhee wrote:
I have not read this Kolar book but it looks like another discredited Steve Thomas book to me with the same ludicrously unsatisfactory theories without facts.
In this recent Ramsey case Injustice book by former Boulder cop Bob Whitson he asks some interesting questions:
"Mark Beckner failed to present information about the intruder theory to the team of experts in 2009? Why? Anyone who disagreed with the prevailing theory that Patsy murdered JonBenet was ordered to be quiet and ostracized from the investigation. Why? According to attorney Lin Wood, the Boulder Police Department used the news media to falsely accuse John and Patsy of murdering JonBenet.
According to Lou Smit and based on my personal involvement with the case, the Boulder Police Department failed to conduct interviews with possible suspects or test relevant evidence. Why?
As I finish this book in 2012 it has been over three years since JonBenet's case has been returned to the Boulder Police Department. The case remains unsolved."
Hi Henry, I totally agree.
In fact I've been asking people who seem to have read the Kolar book if he names the toy which he says caused the marks on JB's back and face. My posts seem to be disappearing, strange?
Everyone connected with the case knew about the cob webbs but it is open to interpretation as is everything in this case.
I think if we knew which toys he believes made the marks on JB that would be a good clue to discuss.

Since: Jul 10

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#58 Aug 1, 2012
I think the toy may be related to Burke's train set with the marks on her back from the track connections and on her jaw from the electric light of an engine.

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#60 Aug 1, 2012
To your point about not having read Kolar’s book, then how can it “ looks like another discredited Steve Thomas book to me with the same ludicrously unsatisfactory theories without facts”? Are you clairvoyant? I “get” the people who voice statements like this AFTER they have read the book, but hardly before they have read it, LOL. Maybe you could explain.
Henri McPhee wrote:
I have not read this Kolar book but it looks like another discredited Steve Thomas book to me with the same ludicrously unsatisfactory theories without facts.
Well this is a blatant lie, and even Beckner has spoken to this point and verified they looked at over 140 other people as of the AP article from the DAILY NEWS Feb 3, 2009. This is just more propaganda from Smit, and he should know better because he was hired by the DA to gather, organize, and catalogue all of the documentation turned over by the various detectives from their investigations. The rest isn’t fact, it is Whitson’s opinion, except for the statement from Lin Wood. What would you expect an attorney working FOR the Ramseys to say?
Henri McPhee wrote:
In this recent Ramsey case Injustice book by former Boulder cop Bob Whitson he asks some interesting questions:
"Mark Beckner failed to present information about the intruder theory to the team of experts in 2009? Why? Anyone who disagreed with the prevailing theory that Patsy murdered JonBenet was ordered to be quiet and ostracized from the investigation. Why? According to attorney Lin Wood, the Boulder Police Department used the news media to falsely accuse John and Patsy of murdering JonBenet.
In the same article in 2009 Beckner states new and old evidence would be tested, and restated how many people had already been investigated as possible suspects (other than the Ramseys) so this is a complete fabrication by Smit and regurgitated by Whitson.
Henri McPhee wrote:
According to Lou Smit and based on my personal involvement with the case, the Boulder Police Department failed to conduct interviews with possible suspects or test relevant evidence. Why?
learnin

Lawrence, KS

#61 Aug 1, 2012
Henri McPhee wrote:
I have not read this Kolar book but it looks like another discredited Steve Thomas book to me with the same ludicrously unsatisfactory theories without facts.
In this recent Ramsey case Injustice book by former Boulder cop Bob Whitson he asks some interesting questions:
"Mark Beckner failed to present information about the intruder theory to the team of experts in 2009? Why? Anyone who disagreed with the prevailing theory that Patsy murdered JonBenet was ordered to be quiet and ostracized from the investigation. Why? According to attorney Lin Wood, the Boulder Police Department used the news media to falsely accuse John and Patsy of murdering JonBenet.
According to Lou Smit and based on my personal involvement with the case, the Boulder Police Department failed to conduct interviews with possible suspects or test relevant evidence. Why?
As I finish this book in 2012 it has been over three years since JonBenet's case has been returned to the Boulder Police Department. The case remains unsolved."
You still believing those lies, Henri? Lou Smit doctored so much stuff, and was so deceptive in other ways, that anything he said should be dismissed right away.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#63 Aug 1, 2012
learnin wrote:
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You still believing those lies, Henri? Lou Smit doctored so much stuff, and was so deceptive in other ways, that anything he said should be dismissed right away.
Of course he believes those lies. It saves him the trouble of making them up himself

Funny how not one person in authority has disputed a single word in Kolar's book. Not one

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