Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey?
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Charlie Chan

Lihue, HI

#121 Mar 21, 2011
thewhitewitchone wrote:
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I realize that you need to believe everything the Ramseys said or the IDI train stops here and you climb aboard the logical RDI train.:)
You have some bizarre need for the Ramseys to be innocent, as do most IDI. I just can't understand it.
Patsy was wearing the same clothes as the night before. Their bed (or at least her side of it) doesn't look slept in. JB ate pineapple shortly before she was killed and both Patsy and Burkes prints were on the bowl. All of these things do not "prove" anything but should at least be considered and not written off as easily as people like you tend to do.
There are more but why bother discussing it with you? We've had these discussions before, Shill. Surely you haven't forgotten.
Hi TWWO,
I don't understand the IDI either. They discount the FACT that there was pineapple in JB's small intestines, and the FACT that Patsy's and Burke's fingerprints were on the bowl of pineapple claiming it proves nothing, yet they dwell on the TDNA found which really proves nothing, claiming that the contributor of that DNA was the murderer, when there is no credible evidence that links the TDNA with the murder.

I think you are correct that the IDI has this compulsary belief that they Ramseys MUST be innocent in spite of the evidences or lack of it.
CC

“It's all about CynBella”

Since: Apr 10

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#122 Mar 21, 2011
Shut ^
Lynette

Alberton, South Africa

#124 Mar 22, 2011
thewhitewitchone wrote:
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No one knows when the brain injury occurred but it was listed as the cause of death along with the strangulation so it appears that you are the brainless idiot.
From the autopsy report:
"CLINOCOPATHOLIGICAL CORRELATION: Cause of death of this six year old female is asphyxia by strangulation associated with craniocerebral trauma."
ALSO FROM THE AUTOPSY REPORT:
"Skull and Brain: Upon reflection of the scalp there is found to be an extensive area of scalp HEMORRHAGE along the right temporoparietal area extending from the orbital ridge, posteriorly all the way to the occipital area. This encompasses an area measuring approximately 7 x 4 inches. This grossly appears to be fresh HEMORRHAGE with no evidence of organization. At the superior extension of this area of HEMORRHAGE is a linear to comminuted skull fracture which extends from the right occipital to posteroparietal area forward to the right frontal area across the parietal portion of the skull. the posteroparietal area of this fracture is a roughly rectangular shaped displaced fragment of skull measuring one and three-quarters by one-half inch. The HEMORRHAGE and the fracture extend posteriorly just past the midline of the occipital area of the skull. This fracture measures approximately 8.5 inches in length. On removal of the skull cap there is found to be a thin film of SUBDURAL HEMORRHAGE measuring approximately 7-8 cc over the surface of the right cerebral hemisphere and extending to the base of the cerebral hemisphere. The 1450 gm brain has a normal overall architecture. Mild narrowing of the sulci and flattening of the gyri are seen. No inflammation is identified. There is a thin film of SUBARACHNOID HEMORRHAGE overlying the entire right cerebral hemisphere."
Note how many times the word HEMORRHAGE is used. Now go crawl back under your rock.
I plan to do some research on this but IMO you are understanding the autopsy report incorrectly. The scalp haemorrhage Meyer wrote about was probably due to the fragile capillaries under the scalp rupturing and releasing the blood contained within them as the headblow was delivered. These capillaries are always filled with blood and would have been more so had the strangulation occurred first. That would explain the extensive SCALP haemorrhaging.

A subdural haemorrhage is completely different. I did a little research and this is what I discovered:

A subdural hematoma or subdural haematoma (English), also known as a subdural hemorrhage (SDH), is a type of hematoma, a form of traumatic brain injury in which blood gathers within the outermost meningeal layer, between the dura mater, which adheres to the skull, and the arachnoid mater enveloping the brain. Usually resulting from tears in bridging veins that cross the subdural space, subdural hemorrhages may cause an increase in intracranial pressure (ICP), which can cause compression of and damage to delicate brain tissue. Subdural hematomas are often life-threatening when acute, but chronic subdural hematomas are usually not deadly if treated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdural_hematom...

NOTE: "may cause an increase in intracranial pressure". What this means is that the bleeding is usually extensive and if not drained, may compress the brain leading to permanent brain damage or death. I know this from personal experience as my mom was involved in a car accident once and she had an acute subdural haemorrhage. The surgeons had to drill holes into her skull to release the blood.

A head injury as severe as JonBenet had would have been most likely
to cause severe bleeding in the intracranial area had the head blow come first. The fact that there was so little bleeding suggests her heart had already stopped beating or there was only a very faint heartbeat and she was either dying or dead when struck.

This, together with the petechial haemorrhaging which occurs when asphyxiated, suggests she was strangled first.

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#125 Mar 22, 2011
Lynette wrote:
<quoted text> I plan to do some research on this but IMO you are understanding the autopsy report incorrectly. The scalp haemorrhage Meyer wrote about was probably due to the fragile capillaries under the scalp rupturing and releasing the blood contained within them as the headblow was delivered. These capillaries are always filled with blood and would have been more so had the strangulation occurred first. That would explain the extensive SCALP haemorrhaging.
A subdural haemorrhage is completely different. I did a little research and this is what I discovered:
A subdural hematoma or subdural haematoma (English), also known as a subdural hemorrhage (SDH), is a type of hematoma, a form of traumatic brain injury in which blood gathers within the outermost meningeal layer, between the dura mater, which adheres to the skull, and the arachnoid mater enveloping the brain. Usually resulting from tears in bridging veins that cross the subdural space, subdural hemorrhages may cause an increase in intracranial pressure (ICP), which can cause compression of and damage to delicate brain tissue. Subdural hematomas are often life-threatening when acute, but chronic subdural hematomas are usually not deadly if treated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdural_hematom...
NOTE: "may cause an increase in intracranial pressure". What this means is that the bleeding is usually extensive and if not drained, may compress the brain leading to permanent brain damage or death. I know this from personal experience as my mom was involved in a car accident once and she had an acute subdural haemorrhage. The surgeons had to drill holes into her skull to release the blood.
A head injury as severe as JonBenet had would have been most likely
to cause severe bleeding in the intracranial area had the head blow come first. The fact that there was so little bleeding suggests her heart had already stopped beating or there was only a very faint heartbeat and she was either dying or dead when struck.
This, together with the petechial haemorrhaging which occurs when asphyxiated, suggests she was strangled first.
I don't think the coroner agrees with you since both the strangulation and the head injury were listed as the cause of death. You're not a doctor so I will just go along with the coroner who wasn't sure which caused her death. The experts are also divided on which came first.
Charlie Chan

Lihue, HI

#126 Mar 22, 2011
thewhitewitchone wrote:
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I don't think the coroner agrees with you since both the strangulation and the head injury were listed as the cause of death. You're not a doctor so I will just go along with the coroner who wasn't sure which caused her death. The experts are also divided on which came first.
Correct. The doctors and the coroner cannot determine which came first. It could have been the head blow OR it could have been the strangulation. However, they listed the cause of death being aspyxia by strangulation... While the head blow would have eventually killed JB, the strangulation killed her first, BUT that does not mean the head blow came after. The head blow could have come before OR after the strangulation.
CC

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#127 Mar 22, 2011
thewhitewitchone wrote:
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I don't think the coroner agrees with you since both the strangulation and the head injury were listed as the cause of death. You're not a doctor so I will just go along with the coroner who wasn't sure which caused her death. The experts are also divided on which came first.
Duh!!
Moon Jerk

Birmingham, AL

#129 Mar 23, 2011
thewhitewitchone wrote:
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I realize that you need to believe everything the Ramseys said or the IDI train stops here and you climb aboard the logical RDI train.:)
That's not true!

The evidence does not show, let alone prove, they lied they were sleeping when she was killed.

As a defense, all you need to show is the evidence proves an intruder, which they have and exonerated the Ramseys, no trial needed.

But for you and RDI top prove the Ramseys are guilty you have to prove they weren't asleep, which you can't.

Bottom line, the Ramseys could have been awake and still didn't hear, or were aware what was going on, but that is not their testimony.

Their testimony to their alibi is, they were asleep.
When you have proof they weren't, I'll change to RDI of course.

I don't understand how you think someone is wrong to go by the known facts that can't be disproved, and think they should just doubt for the sake of wanting to blindly believe.
Moon Jerk

Birmingham, AL

#130 Mar 23, 2011
CHARLES CHAN wrote:
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Wecht saw the obvious. She would have bled like mad if she wasn't already dead or practically dead. The brainstem was not disturbed and her lungs were not damaged by the head blow so her heart would have kept pumping oxygenated blood, especially to the wounded areas. With the ripped, torn, crushed brain tissue, her bleeding should have been extensive particularly with a piece of skull the size of a silver dollar driven into brain as it was completely punched through her skull. Wecht ain't perfect. He made a glaring mistake in the JFK case in front of an entire panel investigating the assassination. He apologized and moved on.
The crushing, savage strike to her head came directly from the hatred this monster had for John, money, religion, education, privilege, refinement, culture, status, pageantry and a childhood of real abuse and deprivation.
Charlie son, get your butt in bed
What I don't get is why they don't ever surmmise that the tiny amount of blood that pooled up in her head was due to the garrote cutting off the blood flow, if she was still alive. Obviously if she was dead already, that would be a moot point. She was alive when she was strangled, that we know.

I mean isn't that the purpose of a tourniquet when you use it on like a bleeding leg wound, to cut off the blood flow?

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