Could JonBenet Ramsey's Murder Be Solved?

Oct 18, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Canyon News

BOULDER, Colo.-Nearly 15 years ago in 1996, a 6-year-old little girl, who the media constantly refers to as a pageant queen, JonBenet Ramsey was found dead in her parents' Boulder, Colorado mansion the day after Christmas.

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There, their, theyíre Logan, not to panic.
Nobody will ever be charged and the murderer/s have gotten away with it :)
I certainly agree. No one will ever be charged and the murderer(s) has gotten away. If the truth ever comes out, we both may be surprised. If it turns out to be the Ramseys, I will accept it; and I'm sure you would if it's not the Ramseys. The only thing that matters is catching him/her.

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I think all the IDI are threatened by his book!
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Sorry but I doubt that. It's just another book of misinterpretation and bias. He is wrong in his conclusions.
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Patsy killed JonBenet deliberately. No one else was involved. There was no staging for police. Everything that was done was done by Patsy for Patsy as part of a psychotic fantasy revolving around an imagined relationship with a supernatural being, the fear of judgment by that God and the fear of death. What people mistakingly take as staging for police had symbolic meaning known only to Patsy. This includes the ransom note. There were two aspects to what was done to the body: the ligatures were suspension devices, the body was posed and viewed and then taken down, placed in the small room, wrapped and the duct tape applied to set the kidnapping scene up in Patsy's mind. The ransom note is full of the ideas that swirled in Patsy's mind that night and plagued her for many years.

The goal was not to kill JonBenet but to make an Angel out of her.

Patsy herself said after the funeral "JonBenet is in Heaven with God awaiting her mother's arrival and it won't be long." Patsy put JonBenet in that heaven to complete the fantasy and in her mind assure her life after death.

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There are no such things as supernatural beings.

But the Gods are real.

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Patsy killed JonBenet deliberately. No one else was involved. There was no staging for police. Everything that was done was done by Patsy for Patsy as part of a psychotic fantasy revolving around an imagined relationship with a supernatural being, the fear of judgment by that God and the fear of death. What people mistakingly take as staging for police had symbolic meaning known only to Patsy. This includes the ransom note. There were two aspects to what was done to the body: the ligatures were suspension devices, the body was posed and viewed and then taken down, placed in the small room, wrapped and the duct tape applied to set the kidnapping scene up in Patsy's mind. The ransom note is full of the ideas that swirled in Patsy's mind that night and plagued her for many years.
The goal was not to kill JonBenet but to make an Angel out of her.
Patsy herself said after the funeral "JonBenet is in Heaven with God awaiting her mother's arrival and it won't be long." Patsy put JonBenet in that heaven to complete the fantasy and in her mind assure her life after death.
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Surely you donít believe that . That is the wildest theory Iíve ever read and the most unbelievable

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<quoted text>Sorry but I doubt that. It's just another book of misinterpretation and bias. He is wrong in his conclusions.
Huh? He makes no conclusions! You're the one with a closed mind and bias opinion. Kolar presented facts and left any conclusion to the reader. You obviously concluded the Ramseys were involved as most of America has or else you're condoning a book you haven't even read. No wonder your IDI thinking about what happened to that poor little girl is so off base.

The family was the epitome of dysfunction. Burke was so screwed up he left his BMs in his pjs instead of a toilet like normal 9 year olds not to mention the box of candy found smeared with feces in Jonbenet's room. Somethings wrong with anyone that can't see the mental illness in that equation.

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Huh? He makes no conclusions! You're the one with a closed mind and bias opinion. Kolar presented facts and left any conclusion to the reader. You obviously concluded the Ramseys were involved as most of America has or else you're condoning a book you haven't even read. No wonder your IDI thinking about what happened to that poor little girl is so off base.
The family was the epitome of dysfunction. Burke was so screwed up he left his BMs in his pjs instead of a toilet like normal 9 year olds not to mention the box of candy found smeared with feces in Jonbenet's room. Somethings wrong with anyone that can't see the mental illness in that equation.
Call me biased if you like, but I disagree. As all are aware, I have never, as you stated, concluded the Ramseys were involved in JonBenetís murder in anyway whatsoever. Furthermore, my thinking is not off base, as is yours. You allow your emotions to cloud your judgment and as a result, come to some wrong conclusions. Contrary to what you think about my disbelieving the Ramseys are guilty, I came to that conclusion solely based on facts, not irrational emotions, and I remain objective and unbiased. I look only at the evidence, only facts instead of allowing my feelings to affect how I think. Besides that, I have no emotional involvement with the Ramseys, whom I neither liked nor disliked; so I have no reason to want them to be innocent.

Whether or not the family was dysfunctional doesnít alter the fact there is zero evidence any of them committed this crime. Burke was only a small boy, not physically capable of doing to JonBenet all that was done to her.
There is nothing wrong with me for not agreeing with your ideas, which are based on something unproven; and I find your comment offensive.
How can you say Kolar made no conclusions? He made a point of concluding that no intruder committed the murder and one his reasons was there were cobwebs on the basement windows, meaning no intruderóas per Kolar-- could have come through that window. In the first place, concluding the intruder could only have gained access to the house by that small basement window is ridiculous. Why would he struggle to get through a basement window when a door was left unlocked?
Kolarís considering that a toy, not a taser, could have been responsible for the spots resembling marks left by a taser is absolutely asinine, a determination that makes him look absurd.
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<quoted text>Call me biased if you like, but I disagree. As all are aware, I have never, as you stated, concluded the Ramseys were involved in JonBenetís murder in anyway whatsoever. Furthermore, my thinking is not off base, as is yours. You allow your emotions to cloud your judgment and as a result, come to some wrong conclusions. Contrary to what you think about my disbelieving the Ramseys are guilty, I came to that conclusion solely based on facts, not irrational emotions, and I remain objective and unbiased. I look only at the evidence, only facts instead of allowing my feelings to affect how I think. Besides that, I have no emotional involvement with the Ramseys, whom I neither liked nor disliked; so I have no reason to want them to be innocent.
Whether or not the family was dysfunctional doesnít alter the fact there is zero evidence any of them committed this crime. Burke was only a small boy, not physically capable of doing to JonBenet all that was done to her.
There is nothing wrong with me for not agreeing with your ideas, which are based on something unproven; and I find your comment offensive.
How can you say Kolar made no conclusions? He made a point of concluding that no intruder committed the murder and one his reasons was there were cobwebs on the basement windows, meaning no intruderóas per Kolar-- could have come through that window. In the first place, concluding the intruder could only have gained access to the house by that small basement window is ridiculous. Why would he struggle to get through a basement window when a door was left unlocked?
Kolarís considering that a toy, not a taser, could have been responsible for the spots resembling marks left by a taser is absolutely asinine, a determination that makes him look absurd.
The toy train tracks was more likly what made the marks, not saying that is was , but with all the work done on matching a tasor I see no match.

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Huh? He makes no conclusions! You're the one with a closed mind and bias opinion. Kolar presented facts and left any conclusion to the reader. You obviously concluded the Ramseys were involved as most of America has or else you're condoning a book you haven't even read. No wonder your IDI thinking about what happened to that poor little girl is so off base.
The family was the epitome of dysfunction. Burke was so screwed up he left his BMs in his pjs instead of a toilet like normal 9 year olds not to mention the box of candy found smeared with feces in Jonbenet's room. Somethings wrong with anyone that can't see the mental illness in that equation.
I have a theory, Moonjack, that Iíd like to present for your opinion.

If it were true that Burke soiled his pants and JonBenet had some similar problems, do you suppose it is possible that both were being molested? Soiling oneís pants at their ages can be a symptom a child is being molested.
Of course, you recall that Nancy Krebs said there was a child molesting ring in Boulder but her story was ridiculed and dismissed. It seems to me itís possible she was right and Burke and JonBenet could have been two of the victims.

I am aware of a case in which an 8 year old boy likewise soiled his pants for a long period of time for no explainable reason. It turned out he was being sexually molested and was ashamed to tell his parents. The molesters were three teenage girls, whom no one would have imagined could do such a thing.

I have never considered this possibility before but I think it is very possible it happened. Burkeís reverting back to his pre-toilet training days sounds just like case studies of other children who have been molested.

Another consideration: even if both were being molested, that doesnít necessarily mean JonBenetís death was at the hands of her molesters. Could just be a strange coincidence that one not involved in the molesting killed her.
Now I realize this may just be a strange theory, but it could be worth considering. What do you think?

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<quoted text>The toy train tracks was more likly what made the marks, not saying that is was , but with all the work done on matching a tasor I see no match.
It's interesting that we can all look at the same pictures and come to different conclusions. I feel the spots on JonBenet matched the marks left by tasers on others, so I have to agree with Smit that it was caused by a taser. I can't see a toy leaving deep abrasions like that.

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It's ridiculous and dense to claim Burke was too small to have caused the brain injury to Jonbenet. Jonbenet could just have easily cracked Burke's skull with a golf club, look at the thread titled 7 year old kills 7 year old. A 3 year old could kill with a hammer or gun, size doesn't matter. The only thing that would exclude Burke as the culprit of causing the head trauma was if he were paralyzed. He was not only physically capable but because of emotional problems and family turmoil very liable.

It's likely both children had been sexually abused for years and the most likely molester is JAR by virture of his age alone. Burke and every sibling of a child found sexually assaulted dead or alive should be professionally evaluated for being a victim of similar sexual abuse. It would be beyond negligent for any social agency to deny a child this intervention. Burke was already in therapy, hence there was no intervention.

This family has secrets and dysfunction beyond compare. The remaining survivers of life in the hell hole have never been 100% honest and forth coming with the investigation. The investigation still wants to talk with Burke. The Ramseys are hiding the truth and it's an ugly reality.

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It's ridiculous and dense to claim Burke was too small to have caused the brain injury to Jonbenet. Jonbenet could just have easily cracked Burke's skull with a golf club, look at the thread titled 7 year old kills 7 year old. A 3 year old could kill with a hammer or gun, size doesn't matter. The only thing that would exclude Burke as the culprit of causing the head trauma was if he were paralyzed. He was not only physically capable but because of emotional problems and family turmoil very liable.
It's likely both children had been sexually abused for years and the most likely molester is JAR by virture of his age alone. Burke and every sibling of a child found sexually assaulted dead or alive should be professionally evaluated for being a victim of similar sexual abuse. It would be beyond negligent for any social agency to deny a child this intervention. Burke was already in therapy, hence there was no intervention.
This family has secrets and dysfunction beyond compare. The remaining survivers of life in the hell hole have never been 100% honest and forth coming with the investigation. The investigation still wants to talk with Burke. The Ramseys are hiding the truth and it's an ugly reality.
There's no excuse for your calling me dense because of my thinking differently from you, so kindly refrain from personal insults. You said ĒIt's ridiculous and dense to claim Burke was too small to have caused the brain injury to Jon BenetĒ, as if I stated that. I said he was too small to have done all the injuries to JonBenet; I did not limit my statement to only the head injury. You seem to forget that she died as a result of strangulation, not from the blow to the head. He could not have been strong enough to twist the ligature around her neck so forcefully that it burrowed as deeply into her neck as it did. He could have injured her with a bat but not with the ligature, so there had to be someone else who did it. DNA evidence supports the theory of an intruder, who obviously killed her.
If this were another murder case, I daresay youíd accept that; but because you want the Ramseys to be guilty, your judgment is affected and you have lost your objectivity.

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Call me biased if you like
YOU ARE BIASED. I'd call you dense as a plank but it wouldn't be fair to the plank.
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As all are aware, I have never, as you stated, concluded the Ramseys were involved
Another poster with a head so big it ripped her mother's virginia, I never even heard of you.

I've never read a therory where Burke strangled Jonbenet but he certainly had the physical ability to do so plus the mental instability to have partcipated in her death. You have to understand the critical nature of Burke's inability to use the toilet. It's a big deal. It's the smoking gun.
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Burke had nothing to do with any of it. His problems were due to Patsy's disorders.

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YOU ARE BIASED. I'd call you dense as a plank but it wouldn't be fair to the plank.
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Another poster with a head so big it ripped her mother's virginia, I never even heard of you.
I've never read a therory where Burke strangled Jonbenet but he certainly had the physical ability to do so plus the mental instability to have partcipated in her death. You have to understand the critical nature of Burke's inability to use the toilet. It's a big deal. It's the smoking gun.
Your crude language in inappropriate and I donít appreciate it. If you canít control your urge to be vulgar, go somewhere besides a forum about a murdered child. At least, have some respect for JonBenet.

I understand Burkeís problem very well, which is why I am certain he was incapable, both mentally and physically, of killing his sister. He was undoubtedly being molested and a victim of molesting often has the problem Burke had. A molested child suffers from depression, fear, and a great sense of shame. None of those characteristics cause the victim to commit murder. He may display hostility but it is highly unlikely he would participate in a murder unless forced to do so by his molester. Since his parents didnít kill their daughter, there was no adult in the household to assist him in the killing; so that theory is illogical.
The killer is the man who left his DNA all over the body, and he has yet to be identified.

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Burke had nothing to do with any of it. His problems were due to Patsy's disorders.
I agree with you about Burke's having nothing to do with it, but Patsy's alleged disorders had nothing to do with his problem. Someone must have been molesting him to cause the problems he had, and I don't believe it was Patsy. She didn't leave the DNA on JB's body, and neither did John, so don't you think there must be someone else involved?

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Your crude language in inappropriate and I donít appreciate it. If you canít control your urge to be vulgar, go somewhere besides a forum about a murdered child. At least, have some respect for JonBenet.
Quit hiding behind the flag and bible, this is AMERICA and free speech is granted. This is a forum about an unsolved mystery and the criminal behavior involved. This isn't a tea dance. To have respect and find justice for Jonbenet means what her her family did has to be exposed.

There's no proof Jonbenet was murdered. She died in a hideous domestic accident where Burke clubbed her and the parents staged the rest. She was so near death at the time John strangled her a court would never even be able to convict as a mercy killing.
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I understand Burkeís problem very well, he was incapable, both mentally and physically, of killing his sister. He was undoubtedly being molested and a victim of molesting often has the problem Burke had. A molested child suffers from depression, fear, and a great sense of shame. None of those characteristics cause the victim to commit murder.
You are obvioulsy 100% unprofessional with no education or training about the circumstances at hand. Abused and or negelected children do exhibit abnormal behaviors with criminal overtones. Burke had no control over his emotions or actions. He mentally unstable, liable. He was in therapy. Patsy was supposed to have him on tiolet sits with a timer and chart. None of this was found in the home. Instead a fresh load was found in his pajamas. Not only was he likely sexually abused throughout his childhood by his older half brother he was neglected by Patsy. He wasn't depressed, he was full of rage and anger.

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Quit hiding behind the flag and bible, this is AMERICA and free speech is granted. This is a forum about an unsolved mystery and the criminal behavior involved. This isn't a tea dance. To have respect and find justice for Jonbenet means what her her family did has to be exposed.
There's no proof Jonbenet was murdered. She died in a hideous domestic accident where Burke clubbed her and the parents staged the rest. She was so near death at the time John strangled her a court would never even be able to convict as a mercy killing.
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You are obvioulsy 100% unprofessional with no education or training about the circumstances at hand. Abused and or negelected children do exhibit abnormal behaviors with criminal overtones. Burke had no control over his emotions or actions. He mentally unstable, liable. He was in therapy. Patsy was supposed to have him on tiolet sits with a timer and chart. None of this was found in the home. Instead a fresh load was found in his pajamas. Not only was he likely sexually abused throughout his childhood by his older half brother he was neglected by Patsy. He wasn't depressed, he was full of rage and anger.
You erroneously assume much. For your edification, I am a former counselor and while working in that capacity, I spent two years working with parolees, some very violent and disturbed ones in particular; so you, not I, are the one who has no education, a fact obvious by the way you resort to insults for lack of something better to say. What are your qualifications for making a diagnosis of Burke and his alleged problems? Itís rather difficult to properly analyze anyone via the news media. You didnít talk with Burke or his family, so just what makes you an expert on them? Just how are you qualified to judge me so derogatorily without having personal information about me? Your feelings of superiority arenít justified.
Another point: I have no need of an ďeducationĒ from the likes of you about how a molested child reacts when molested by a pervert, for I have a son to whom that happened. I know firsthand the horrors of child molesting, for I havenít forgotten a single thing that happened to him, leaving him so damaged and hurt, never fully recovering from what that demented savage did to him, a little defenseless boy; so donít assume you can enlighten me about the subject. I resent your offensive attempt to do so.
On what fact do you base your accusation that Burkeís brother molested him or that Patsy neglected him? You are not credible because you make judgments based solely on your feelings, not on facts. If I were Burkeís brother, Iíd sue you

It is truly incredible that you could make so asinine a statement as to say there is no proof JonBenet was murdered. Never have I read such an absurd statement. Itís a shame people such as you can be allowed to accuse a family of a horrible crime, maligning probably innocent persons, having no conscience about it. Are you any different from the killer of JonBenet as far as conscience goes?

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Quit hiding behind the flag and bible, this is AMERICA and free speech is granted. This is a forum about an unsolved mystery and the criminal behavior involved. This isn't a tea dance. To have respect and find justice for Jonbenet means what her her family did has to be exposed.
There's no proof Jonbenet was murdered. She died in a hideous domestic accident where Burke clubbed her and the parents staged the rest. She was so near death at the time John strangled her a court would never even be able to convict as a mercy killing.
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You are obvioulsy 100% unprofessional with no education or training about the circumstances at hand. Abused and or negelected children do exhibit abnormal behaviors with criminal overtones. Burke had no control over his emotions or actions. He mentally unstable, liable. He was in therapy. Patsy was supposed to have him on tiolet sits with a timer and chart. None of this was found in the home. Instead a fresh load was found in his pajamas. Not only was he likely sexually abused throughout his childhood by his older half brother he was neglected by Patsy. He wasn't depressed, he was full of rage and anger.
You have nerve, making that comment about my hiding behind the Flag and the Bible! I hide behind NOTHING and have no need to, as I have no fear of the truth, as you apparently do. Unlike you, I donít stoop to falsely accusing people, against whom there is no evidence, of murder. YOU ought to remember your own statement, arrogant one: this indeed is America, a country founded by Christians for the purpose of being able to worship their God freely; and I, therefore, as a Christian who does uphold the Bible and the Flag, have the same freedom you allow yourself but try to suppress for Christians. You do know what a hypocrite is, I assume? If not sure, look into your mirror.

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Logan is a old man obsessed with molesting children. That's a fact jack. Wouldn't be surprised if he killed JonBenet.
You are a disgusting, depraved pervert who spends his life chasing me around the internet because you have serious mental problems. This is not the Washington, DC forum, Pig/aka 1000 aliases. This is a forum where decent posters don't tolerate creeps such as you who get on every post, talking like a psychotic moron.

To those of you on this forum who do not want this forum to be polluted with filth from this sexual deviate,I ask that you assist me in getting this mentally disturbed person off here. He has for over a year followed me all over Topix, insulting me, making utterly depraved remarks about me, and he uses dozens of different names. Please report his abuse to Topix. Thank you all.

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