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I appreciate what you’re saying as far as timeline goes and I’m not disputing it.
However, I do know that this is something that is individualistic and contingent and that there is a range of time and that your 15 minutes is at one end of that range. That’s an hour and fifteen minutes shorter than any of the common sources report (PMPT, Thomas, Kolar) but I find your 15 minutes to be believable and acceptable.
I do think it most likely that Jonbenet ate that small, perhaps single piece of pineapple without anyone’s knowledge. Under what circumstance? I don’t know. When did she eat it? I don’t know. Cracked crab was set aside for her, but did she eat at the White’s? I don’t know? Was she unwell (stories vary) in some way that would affect her appetite and/or the digestive process? I don’t know.
It’s a bugaboo. It’s a bugaboo because it SHOULD tell us something, but it tells us nothing; she ate it, that’s it.

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But, AK, someone had to see JBR eating at the Whites. That shouldve been determined shortly after the autopsy when it would've been fresh in people's mind. I think someone would've known she wasn't feeling well and did not eat. You know, as well as I do that detectives quizzed the White’s and their guests following the pineapple discovery.
The 2 to 5 hour timeline is a generic timeline given for the emptying of a meal. It has to be simply because it takes no more than 71 minutes for food to traverse the small intestine. There's no way in hell that it takes a bite of food five hours to reach the proximal small intestine.
Even the ransom note suggests familiarity.

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Oh? I was not aware that it has “been determined by those NOT on the internet forums that the pineapple was eaten just a short time before she died.” I do know what the Schiller, Thomas and Kolar book have to say on the matter and Kolar (p. 65) and Thomas (p. 305) both give times of approx. two to five hours while Schiller reports (p. 777) between 1 and a half or two hours and as early as 4:30. So, who are these persons “NOT on the internet forums” and exactly what did they say?

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Good morning AK

What I meant by "by those NOT on the internet" just in case you didn't understand was that the medical community has determined that it was not ingested in the morning or before they went to the Whites, etc. I'm sure you knew what I meant, but will clarify it anyway

The pineapple came from the Ramsey home and not the Whites. The material was eaten AFTER they left the Whites according to the medical experts. Those are the people NOT on the forums.

Internet posters have tried and tried to second guess the experts for many years and despite their best efforts, have not been able to.

Of course anyone can just say that they don't believe the experts but for those of us who do, the pineapple continues to have no explanation that fits into the Ramseys' account of the events that night and were forced into one of many "bugaboos" due to the fact that they could not change their story by that time.

The pineapple remains one of the most important elements of the crime and continues to lack an explanation that would free the Ramseys from suspicions.

Best efforts do not eradicate the fact that JBR ate pineapple inside her own home after coming home that night from the Whites.

No matter how well "spun" the pineapple gets, it remains a problem for the Ramseys and their account of what happened that night. The only explanation that anyone has that doesn't include the Ramseys is that darned intruder sitting and having pineapple with her and that is IMO, just not the case
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Good morning AK
What I meant by "by those NOT on the internet" just in case you didn't understand was that the medical community has determined that it was not ingested in the morning or before they went to the Whites, etc. I'm sure you knew what I meant, but will clarify it anyway
The pineapple came from the Ramsey home and not the Whites. The material was eaten AFTER they left the Whites according to the medical experts. Those are the people NOT on the forums.
Internet posters have tried and tried to second guess the experts for many years and despite their best efforts, have not been able to.
Of course anyone can just say that they don't believe the experts but for those of us who do, the pineapple continues to have no explanation that fits into the Ramseys' account of the events that night and were forced into one of many "bugaboos" due to the fact that they could not change their story by that time.
The pineapple remains one of the most important elements of the crime and continues to lack an explanation that would free the Ramseys from suspicions.
Best efforts do not eradicate the fact that JBR ate pineapple inside her own home after coming home that night from the Whites.
No matter how well "spun" the pineapple gets, it remains a problem for the Ramseys and their account of what happened that night. The only explanation that anyone has that doesn't include the Ramseys is that darned intruder sitting and having pineapple with her and that is IMO, just not the case
Hi Capricorn. Another well reasoned post but I'm afraid that no matter what you will never persuade or explain this successfully to anyonw whose true agenda is to try to find something--anything with which to discredit Kolar. We've gone from thread to thread now for the past month, refuting ridiculous assertions about Kolar's book and this case. This is all part of an effort to make something against Kolar stick, first it was a 'mistake' with the DNA, then it was the head blow, then it was that Kolar couldn't remember where he went on vacation, and now we are back to the ingestion of the pineapple. Seriously now. As I have been saying all along it is not that complicated. JonBenet did not have pineapple at the Whites. JonBenet had pineapple inside of her Home shortly before she was murdered. Obsessing over the exact time that she the pineapple serves no other purpose than to obfuscate the mounting certainty about the Ramseys guilt. The Ramseys apologists are running out of straws to grasp and for that we ower Kolar (as well as others) a debt of gratitude.

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Anti-K wrote:
I appreciate what you’re saying as far as timeline goes and I’m not disputing it.
However, I do know that this is something that is individualistic and contingent and that there is a range of time and that your 15 minutes is at one end of that range. That’s an hour and fifteen minutes shorter than any of the common sources report (PMPT, Thomas, Kolar) but I find your 15 minutes to be believable and acceptable.
I do think it most likely that Jonbenet ate that small, perhaps single piece of pineapple without anyone’s knowledge. Under what circumstance? I don’t know. When did she eat it? I don’t know. Cracked crab was set aside for her, but did she eat at the White’s? I don’t know? Was she unwell (stories vary) in some way that would affect her appetite and/or the digestive process? I don’t know.
It’s a bugaboo. It’s a bugaboo because it SHOULD tell us something, but it tells us nothing; she ate it, that’s it.

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If you aren't disputing the time frame, even if it varies from person to person, you appear to accept that it would take anywhere from 15 minutes to two hours. If we take the longest time frame of two hours, that still places JBR in her own home where the pineapple was. It still places the "eating" of it well within the time frame of her being home

You say that only states that she ate it. While that is true, you really have to expand on that statement to really examine the crime to ascertain how she may have obtained it to eat it.

What are your thoughts on how she may have accomplished that ingestion, given that she was supposedly asleep and couldn't open the fridge on her own even if she got up on her own?

It didn't just find its way into her mouth while she was sleeping

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Hi Capricorn. Another well reasoned post but I'm afraid that no matter what you will never persuade or explain this successfully to anyonw whose true agenda is to try to find something--anything with which to discredit Kolar. We've gone from thread to thread now for the past month, refuting ridiculous assertions about Kolar's book and this case. This is all part of an effort to make something against Kolar stick, first it was a 'mistake' with the DNA, then it was the head blow, then it was that Kolar couldn't remember where he went on vacation, and now we are back to the ingestion of the pineapple. Seriously now. As I have been saying all along it is not that complicated. JonBenet did not have pineapple at the Whites. JonBenet had pineapple inside of her Home shortly before she was murdered. Obsessing over the exact time that she the pineapple serves no other purpose than to obfuscate the mounting certainty about the Ramseys guilt. The Ramseys apologists are running out of straws to grasp and for that we ower Kolar (as well as others) a debt of gratitude.
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the kind words

I agree with all you have said, especially about owing a debt of gratitude to Kolar.

You are quite right regarding the lack of complication in this case. The only complicated part about the entire case would be in the prosecution, not with the evidence.

The pineapple is one of the aspects of this crime that if taken at its true value blows the intruder theory out of the water, so I don't expect anyone to accept the opinions of the EXPERTS LOL; sorta like the stun gun that doesn't exist other than in the minds of those who are obligated to spin the evidence to try to protect the Ramseys from scrutiny;......well deserved scrutiny
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Then why did Kolar presnet it as if it had been?
The answer is he wanted a certain timeline.
He made up his means to a predetremined end.
That is the same reason he turned proximal intsetine into through the system.
He wanted evidence to back up the accident/cover-up theory so he made up the evidnece.
He then went on to insinuate that Burke was a sexual deviant as a child to create evidence he was involved in the accident.
That is my interpretation from the discrepnacies Kolar published. You don't have to like it.
I need to buy this book.

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But, AK, someone had to see JBR eating at the Whites. That shouldve been determined shortly after the autopsy when it would've been fresh in people's mind. I think someone would've known she wasn't feeling well and did not eat. You know, as well as I do that detectives quizzed the White’s and their guests following the pineapple discovery.
The 2 to 5 hour timeline is a generic timeline given for the emptying of a meal. It has to be simply because it takes no more than 71 minutes for food to traverse the small intestine. There's no way in hell that it takes a bite of food five hours to reach the proximal small intestine.
Even the ransom note suggests familiarity.
I don’t think this is a question of how long it takes to get to the proximal intestine, but how long it takes to exit. I think that this is what the expert opinions cited in Thomas and Kolar refer to and their estimate is two to five hours. According to Schiller,“one Boulder medical examiner stated it could have been eaten as early as 4:30 p.m.– before the Ramseys left their home for a dinner at the White’s.”

Pause to clarify: I am NOT arguing that she ate it before going to the White’s. I am merely noting what has been reported.

It doesn’t make sense that the experts consulted by BPD would give estimates for something that didn’t happen or that Thomas, Kolar, et. al would repeat estimates for something that didn’t happen so I think it fair to accept that these estimates do refer to how long it could have taken for the pineapple to reach the point where it was found – two to five hours.


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Good morning AK
What I meant by "by those NOT on the internet" just in case you didn't understand was that the medical community has determined that it was not ingested in the morning or before they went to the Whites, etc. I'm sure you knew what I meant, but will clarify it anyway
The pineapple came from the Ramsey home and not the Whites. The material was eaten AFTER they left the Whites according to the medical experts. Those are the people NOT on the forums.
Internet posters have tried and tried to second guess the experts for many years and despite their best efforts, have not been able to.
Of course anyone can just say that they don't believe the experts but for those of us who do, the pineapple continues to have no explanation that fits into the Ramseys' account of the events that night and were forced into one of many "bugaboos" due to the fact that they could not change their story by that time.
The pineapple remains one of the most important elements of the crime and continues to lack an explanation that would free the Ramseys from suspicions.
Best efforts do not eradicate the fact that JBR ate pineapple inside her own home after coming home that night from the Whites.
No matter how well "spun" the pineapple gets, it remains a problem for the Ramseys and their account of what happened that night. The only explanation that anyone has that doesn't include the Ramseys is that darned intruder sitting and having pineapple with her and that is IMO, just not the case
Yes, I understood that you meant the “medical community” or something like that, but all I’ve ever seen is this two to five hour range, plus the expert quoted in PMPT. If two to five hours is a short time, then you’re right. However, I thought you were talking about something more in line with Learnin’s 15 minutes or so. The misunderstanding is clearly mine.


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If you aren't disputing the time frame, even if it varies from person to person, you appear to accept that it would take anywhere from 15 minutes to two hours. If we take the longest time frame of two hours, that still places JBR in her own home where the pineapple was. It still places the "eating" of it well within the time frame of her being home
You say that only states that she ate it. While that is true, you really have to expand on that statement to really examine the crime to ascertain how she may have obtained it to eat it.
What are your thoughts on how she may have accomplished that ingestion, given that she was supposedly asleep and couldn't open the fridge on her own even if she got up on her own?
It didn't just find its way into her mouth while she was sleeping
I believe that Jonbenet ate the pineapple, not as part of a meal, not as a snack, but just a simple, small piece of it without anyone being aware of it. What I always ask myself is, why didn’t she eat more?

For now, I do accept that Jonbenet was asleep when the Ramseys arrived home that night and that she was put to bed asleep. I can offer possible explanations for the pineapple, but I don’t want anyone to think that I am arguing for or otherwise promoting them. My position is that she ate it and that’s all we know.

Here’s one: jonbenet eats the pineapple before leaving for the White’s, a quick bite on her way out the door – at least one Boulder expert said this was possible

Here’s another one: jonbenet takes a small piece with her, tucked into whatever was handy, when they leave for the White’s and she eats it sometime before falling asleep in the car on the way home

Another one: jonbenet, having fallen asleep earlier than usual and having ate little at the White’s, wakes up at home, in bed and hungry and maybe still thinking about Christmas, wanders downstairs and sees the pineapple in the bowl, left there from earlier in the day, and she has a piece, but still tired wanders off back to bed

Another one: jonbenet awakes in bed and “finds” that stashed or left over piece somewhere in her room. yum, yum.

One more: okay, I give up. I don’t know what happened and I don’t want to mention any of the various IDI “theories.” If someone could show that the bowl of pineapple was set out AFTER the Ramseys came home that night and/or show that there was no other pineapple about – a single piece left over on a plate form breakfast for example – that could have been eaten than I think we’d have something to go on, but right now all I see is she ate pineapple.


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I believe that Jonbenet ate the pineapple, not as part of a meal, not as a snack, but just a simple, small piece of it without anyone being aware of it. What I always ask myself is, why didn’t she eat more?
For now, I do accept that Jonbenet was asleep when the Ramseys arrived home that night and that she was put to bed asleep. I can offer possible explanations for the pineapple, but I don’t want anyone to think that I am arguing for or otherwise promoting them. My position is that she ate it and that’s all we know.
Here’s one: jonbenet eats the pineapple before leaving for the White’s, a quick bite on her way out the door – at least one Boulder expert said this was possible
Here’s another one: jonbenet takes a small piece with her, tucked into whatever was handy, when they leave for the White’s and she eats it sometime before falling asleep in the car on the way home
Another one: jonbenet, having fallen asleep earlier than usual and having ate little at the White’s, wakes up at home, in bed and hungry and maybe still thinking about Christmas, wanders downstairs and sees the pineapple in the bowl, left there from earlier in the day, and she has a piece, but still tired wanders off back to bed
Another one: jonbenet awakes in bed and “finds” that stashed or left over piece somewhere in her room. yum, yum.
One more: okay, I give up. I don’t know what happened and I don’t want to mention any of the various IDI “theories.” If someone could show that the bowl of pineapple was set out AFTER the Ramseys came home that night and/or show that there was no other pineapple about – a single piece left over on a plate form breakfast for example – that could have been eaten than I think we’d have something to go on, but right now all I see is she ate pineapple.

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Good morning AK

Thank you for taking the time to answer and provide some scenarios for the pineapple

While I don't agree that any of the scenarios happened, I do appreciate the time you took to describe them

One of the many reasons I believe the Ramseys lied is that in all the details of whatever was asked of Burke, the one detail that has never been mentioned is whether or not Burke was asked about the tea and the pineapple. I honestly believe he was asked about it and it was discussed. The fact that we the public never heard about it is because it wouldn't look good for the Ramseys. Had Burke denied the pineapple or tea, I'm sure we would have heard a lot about that.

That is also IMO, one of the pieces that were omitted when Jameson sold the interviews to the Enquirer without anything from Burke (admittedly) The little "bugaboos" that are around were probably discussed with Burke and part of the interviews along with other "Burke" discussion.

The fact that nowhere to my knowledge it was even "asked" about, tells me that he was in fact, asked about it and his answer is one of the many secrets we haven't been told yet. It is a reminder that Burke also claimed that JBR was awake and walking in the house that night. That discrepancy has also been attempted to "sweep under the rug" IMO, so for me, I will assume that it is possible they know the story behind the pineapple just like they know the story of whether she was asleep or not and we just haven't heard about it.

That is also likely one of the topics that should be and probably on the agenda to be revisited with Burke, but sadly, he just doesn't give a damn

He holds the answers; he knows it; John knows it and the rest know it too
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Good morning AK
What I ment by "by those NOT on the internet" just in case you didn't understand was that the medical community has determined that it was not ingested in the moring or before they went to the Whites, etc. I'm sure you knew what I meant, but will clarify it anyway
The pineapple came from the Ramsey home and not the Whites. The material was eaten AFTER they left the Whites according to the medicl experts. Those are the people NOT on the forums.
Internet posters have tried and tried to second guess the experts for many years and despite their best eforts, have not been able to.
Of coure anyone can just say that they don't believe the experts but for those of us who do, the pineapple continues to have no explanation that fits into the Ramseys' account of the events that night and were forced into one of many "bugaboos" due to the fact that they could not change their story by that time.
The pineapple remains one of the most impotant elements of the crime and continues to lack an explanation that would free the Ramseys from suspicions.
Best efforts do not eradicate the fact that JBR ate pineapple inside her own home after coming home that night from the Whites.
No matter how well "spun" the pinapple gets, it remains a problem for the Ramseys and their account of what hapened that night. The only explantion that anyone has that doesn't include the Ramseys is that darned intruder sitting and having pineaple with her and that is IMO, just not the case
Good post.
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This is a good place to learn more.
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A few random thoughts on the pineapple/bowl and the glass/tea:
You make your tea and once it’s steep you take the tea bag out and put it somewhere, so when I see a teabag in a glass I think of the glass as just a depository – the tea was in something else.

How does one can connect the glass to the bowl? These are separate items that may have been placed at separate times.

If a pineapple snack was served, then what was it served into? Where’s the bowls, dishes, utensils or what-have-you? What was this snack eaten out of and where? To me, it looks like the bowl was left on the table after the table was cleared of any dishes or plates, etc, or was placed there after the table had been cleared. It seems properly placed for serving out of, but not for eating out of.

Whoever heard of pineapple as a bedtime snack?

Jonbenet may have liked pineapple, but if we believe Mrs Ramsey’s interview, there were “so many other things” that she would have had for a snack first. And, if a snack, why so little of it? And, once again, what was it served into; etc.?

Going with the theory that lies are best when kept simple and when they borrow as much as possible from the truth, why wouldn’t the Ramseys have said right from the get-go – we came home, they had a snack, we went to bed. By the time of the interviews the Ramseys knew the pineapple had been discovered. So simple to say things like, pineapple was left out before we went to the Whites; Jonbenet ate pineapple before we went to the Whites; Burke may have had a snack before bed; Jonbenet sometimes gets up in the middle of the night; etc.


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I don’t think this is a question of how long it takes to get to the proximal intestine, but how long it takes to exit. I think that this is what the expert opinions cited in Thomas and Kolar refer to and their estimate is two to five hours. According to Schiller,“one Boulder medical examiner stated it could have been eaten as early as 4:30 p.m.– before the Ramseys left their home for a dinner at the White’s.”
Pause to clarify: I am NOT arguing that she ate it before going to the White’s. I am merely noting what has been reported.
It doesn’t make sense that the experts consulted by BPD would give estimates for something that didn’t happen or that Thomas, Kolar, et. al would repeat estimates for something that didn’t happen so I think it fair to accept that these estimates do refer to how long it could have taken for the pineapple to reach the point where it was found – two to five hours.

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If experts told investigators that it would take a few pieces of pineapple 2 to 5 hours to get to the proximal small intestine, they are way out of line. Food begins emptying out of the stomach within a few minutes. For a small percentage of people, it takes 20 minutes for peristalsis to begin pushing food particles out of the stomach. Once outside of the stomach, food particles move quickly as there are no more sphincters or valves to overcome until the food reaches the end of the small intestine. At this point, the food encounters the ileo-cecal valve and may encounter some delay before passing into the large intestine.

I have proven the timeline by an experiment on myself. As if this was not enough, I have given more examples which should end all doubt. A young lady, having lost her whole large intestine, begins evacuating a meal within 51 minutes while the intestinal surgeon and expert informed the parent that 71 minutes would be the max for food to traverse the entire small intestine. My own father, having had a colostomy, which bypassed his colon, experienced the same time frame of about one hour.

JBRs food only had to traverse a small portion of the small intestine, so it took anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes. If anyone insists on the 2 hour time frame, they are handicapping themselves. If JBR was not sick, someone fractured her skull no longer than 45 minutes after JBR swallowed a few pieces of pineapple.

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Going with the theory that lies are best when kept simple and when they borrow as much as possible from the truth, why wouldn’t the Ramseys have said right from the get-go – we came home, they had a snack, we went to bed. By the time of the interviews the Ramseys knew the pineapple had been discovered. So simple to say things like, pineapple was left out before we went to the Whites; Jonbenet ate pineapple before we went to the Whites; Burke may have had a snack before bed; Jonbenet sometimes gets up in the middle of the night; etc.

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I agree. If we assume the Ramseys are guilty, then why wouldn't they have simply affirmed JonBenét had eaten the pineapple, or that it would not be out of the norm for her to wake up and go downstairs for a "midnight" snack?

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Sorry, I did not post the link to the last image, in my post above, transcribing only the contents of the document pertaining to the glass and the bowl:
http://www.acandyrose.com/AnatomyColdCase225....

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If experts told investigators that it would take a few pieces of pineapple 2 to 5 hours to get to the proximal small intestine, they are way out of line. Food begins emptying out of the stomach within a few minutes. For a small percentage of people, it takes 20 minutes for peristalsis to begin pushing food particles out of the stomach. Once outside of the stomach, food particles move quickly as there are no more sphincters or valves to overcome until the food reaches the end of the small intestine. At this point, the food encounters the ileo-cecal valve and may encounter some delay before passing into the large intestine.
I have proven the timeline by an experiment on myself. As if this was not enough, I have given more examples which should end all doubt. A young lady, having lost her whole large intestine, begins evacuating a meal within 51 minutes while the intestinal surgeon and expert informed the parent that 71 minutes would be the max for food to traverse the entire small intestine. My own father, having had a colostomy, which bypassed his colon, experienced the same time frame of about one hour.
JBRs food only had to traverse a small portion of the small intestine, so it took anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes. If anyone insists on the 2 hour time frame, they are handicapping themselves. If JBR was not sick, someone fractured her skull no longer than 45 minutes after JBR swallowed a few pieces of pineapple.
With all due respect learnin, I’m going to go with BPD’s experts on this one – two to five hours. However, this is a subject of which I know little so I can’t really argue with you over it.

I am having some trouble accepting that BPD’s experts were referring to time for the pineapple to transit the whole system – why would anyone mention such a thing when it didn’t happen?

Also, when one googles transit times – enter to exit – all show a wide variation with times ranging from 10 or 12 to 50 hours! That’s a far cry from two to five! So, I can’t see BPD’s experts referring to anything other than the time it took for the pineapple to reach the point where it was found.

This is all a bit confusing to me, but it does seem that transit times are variable, individualistic (you and I are not necessarily the same) and contingent (health, mood, type of food, etc).
I don’t know if this helps, but iirc at last one source said that the time was determined by condition of the pineapple and not necessarily the location. Does this make any sense to you?


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In order to edify some points about which some of you may be confused. The crab that JonBenet ate at the Whites had been digested, the pineapple had not. The Whites did not serve pineapple. A considerable amount of time had passed before the Ramseys were informed about the pineapple in JonBenet's system, precluding one of their 'miraculous' and often employed 'memory adjustments'. In order to break down a little simpler: The Ramseys shouted from the rooftops about JonBenet falling asleep in the car taking her upstairs while she was ASLEEP and putting her to bed. Subsequently they all must have gone to sleep so exhausted that they failed to notice the six midget ninja contortionists with stun guns and fresh pineapple who invaded the Home.

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