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#42
Jan 6, 2010
 
pinker44 wrote:
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What info do you want the source for?
For this:

In the autopsy of JonBenet there was no testing for the uncommon drugs Imipramine (Tofranil), Desmopressin (DDAVD), and Oxybutynin (Ditropan), Tolterodine (Detrol), Darifenacin (Enablex), Solifenacin (Vesicare), Trospium (Sanctura), and Fesoterodine (Toviaz).
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Portage, MI

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#43
Jan 6, 2010
 
If any bladder control drugs were tested for the tests would have appeared listed under the standardized blood screen, each one listed separate. Itís a rare call to test for drugs not in the regular portfolio of substances. These would have been uncommon tests, customized tests, and expensive tests that needed to be accounted for. The coroner would have needed a reason to suspect and request the tests. This coroner couldn't even use a tool to get the time of death while the body was still in the house. Itís doubtful there was any consideration by the coroner that kids are prescribed these types of drugs, that is not the use they are associated with. Like testing a man for taking prenatal vitamins.

Who knows if the coroner screwed up because he is an idiot or if it was on purposeÖ
Biz

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Heloise wrote:
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Biz, years ago, I encountered someone who had taken ketamine. It was the scariest spectacle I think I've ever seen - he was convinced that I was a new anchor interviewing him about how he unlocked the secret of the universe. No BS!
It seemed to make him gobbier and more vocal.
Wow. That's really out there. So glad I never got caught up in the drug scene. I have seen it mess up so many lives and also the lives of their loved ones. Prescription drugs are now the new street drugs. I have seen so many young kids die from overdoses of oxycotin that it makes me sick.
But it's one thing to decide to do that to yourself, quite another to have someone sneak drugs into your drink or food without your knowledge. When it became known that GHB could be given to women without their knowledge, they could be raped and filmed and never remember a thing it became quite popular for guys who thought they could get away with it. Because I believe the perpetrator of JBR was a sexual sadist into bondage, GHB would have been something they were aware of.
I spoke with one girl who was enticed to fly to CO and get all the drugs she wanted if she participated in a film. She told me she was drugged, repeatedly raped, and forced to watch snuff films. She told me she was kept in underground tunnels that had connections with a group called Brotherhood of the White Temple, based in Sedalia CO and Castle Rock. I had always wondered if someone from that group might have been involved in the JBR crime. The CBI was investigating them at one time. They had a guy who was referred to as "The Chemist" and he claimed to be the origional inventor of Ecstasy. They would create these drugs, kidnap or entice transient or homeless girls to come and party and try the drugs out of them to see how they reacted. I am assumig this is how street drugs are created and tested. This girl firmly believed she was not getting out of this house alive, but she managed to escape and save another girl. She was adament that these films they made were "snuff" films, not fakes.
Biz

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Jan 6, 2010
 

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So you used these drugs on animals so they would have sex with you?
No but since you thought of having sex with animals it must be something you practice. You sound like a pervert to me.
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#46
Jan 6, 2010
 
Biz wrote:
Here is a better link talking about GHB and a similar drug called Ketamine, a rave drug that Vetinarians commonly use. It's street name is Special K or Cat Valium.
http://www.watchyourdrink.com/drugs.htm
Ok, that's interesting, very. An animal drug.
That would fit with what I'm looking for.
Thanks.
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New Baltimore, MI

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#47
Jan 6, 2010
 
Yep, perfect fit. Thanks.

This girl firmly believed she was not getting out of this house alive, but she managed to escape and save another girl. She was adament that these films they made were "snuff" films, not fakes.
Biz
Port Richey, FL
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#48
Jan 6, 2010
 
pinker44 wrote:
If any bladder control drugs were tested for the tests would have appeared listed under the standardized blood screen, each one listed separate. Itís a rare call to test for drugs not in the regular portfolio of substances. These would have been uncommon tests, customized tests, and expensive tests that needed to be accounted for. The coroner would have needed a reason to suspect and request the tests. This coroner couldn't even use a tool to get the time of death while the body was still in the house. Itís doubtful there was any consideration by the coroner that kids are prescribed these types of drugs, that is not the use they are associated with. Like testing a man for taking prenatal vitamins.
Who knows if the coroner screwed up because he is an idiot or if it was on purposeÖ
If you're talking about testing the fluid in the eyeball to help establish TOD, it's not that specific of a test and by the time Meyer got there, he probably couldn't have learned anything more specific from it. Or do you mean he didn't take the liver temp?

As to the "list" of drugs NOT tested, I am not quite sure I understand your source on this. Do you have an example of an autopsy done with the tox screens you listed, for some of these drugs, at any rate? Do you have an example of those tests being listed on the autopsy report when they came back negative?

If you can point me to the source, I'll look them up, and thanks in advance.
Biz

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#49
Jan 6, 2010
 
flipover wrote:
If you read my post, if I wrote it that way ???
I don't know ...... I was looking for drug info and I know many people here know their stuff.
I wasn't referring to JonBenet.
But, the meds to stop her from wetting her bed makes you think a bit ?
I don't know of any pediatrician that would prescribe incontenance drugs for a child. That is usually reserved for adults and the elderly. Most kids just need to make sure the urinate before they go to bed, dress less at night, and possibly wear pull ups for protection. They eventually grow out of it and JBR wasn't the only six year old to have that problem.
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#50
Jan 6, 2010
 
I meant DRINK less at night not dress less at night, lol
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#51
Jan 6, 2010
 
Biz wrote:
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I don't know of any pediatrician that would prescribe incontenance drugs for a child. That is usually reserved for adults and the elderly. Most kids just need to make sure the urinate before they go to bed, dress less at night, and possibly wear pull ups for protection. They eventually grow out of it and JBR wasn't the only six year old to have that problem.
I don't know the names of the drugs for kids, but they have them.
My nephew didn't stop wetting the bed till he was about 20. He was a hard sleeper. He even set the alarm to get up in the night to go. He slept through the alarm. LOL !!
But, ya I am looking at another case, not JonBenet's.
The drug thing is important so keep posting.
What's with the "stair case theory" ??? Crazy ..........
Bella

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#52
Jun 26, 2011
 
flipover wrote:
Still, no Sistol.....
Symptoms of midazolam overdose include:
Somnolence (difficulty staying awake)
Mental confusion
Hypotension
Impaired motor functions
Impaired reflexes
Impaired coordination
Impaired balance
Dizziness
Coma
Death
Thats because its called SISTOLE... it drives blood from the heart to the body. I guess that it was made up for the movie. Im prescribed Benzos (Klonopin) for a severe panic disorder. Anyways I came on this thread because my brother passed a month ago. The inital tox screen was negative & we are STILL waiting for the autopsy report. He was only 29 years old & healthy other then an addiction to heroin he had BUT he got clean over a year ago. I know in my heart that he took something that caused him to just drop dead but so far they have found no drugs in his system. This may sound odd but a neighbor is a medium. I just met her, she only knew I lost my stepbrother but once we went into the room he would sleep in when he would stay here she told me what she was & one of the things she said was "(My nickname from him)I fucked up, I mixed 2 things & passed out...please don't tell my dad" Things just seemed too true not to be real. Thats besides the point, he died exactly 1 month ago today (10 mins ago actually) & I need to know what he took. I know he was doing steroids. Does anyone know what he couldve mixed with the steroids that would cause death? Please if you know HELP! Steroids dont show up since its just testosterone which the body produces anyways... I know this for a fact (an x of mine was doing them while getting drug tested & nothing came up)...dont judge just help me get some closure!
Bella

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Jun 26, 2011
 

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Barb wrote:
ask the medium
I only mentioned that because it fit in with what my family & I already thought happened. I cant believe you would be so rude about my 29 yr old brothers death! You have serious issues & obviously no life! Go f yourself... I will not let u disrespect my dead brother or me! You think I asked a medium about my brother? Well I didnt, she came over to me & started telling me things after she asked if I lost someone with a Navy tattoo on their arm cuz he was standing in front of me!!! I wanna know what he couldve taken for him to die without it showing up in an initial tox. You need your damn head checked!
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#55
Jun 28, 2011
 
Hi Bella, sorry for your loss. I really am.
I know the dead sometime speak. Some mediums are real. You have every right to ask about your brother. That's sad.
So, there is a Sistole ? Like in the movie, or was that fake ?
Someone wrote me and told me chloroform acts like that too ?
Same symptoms.
Do you know what drug your brother was taking ?
I've taken low dosages of Clonopin in the past.
It made me feel...kind of not real ?
Some choice ?:(
But yeah, I'm very interested in this subject.
Bella

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cody wrote:
Hi Bella, sorry for your loss. I really am.
I know the dead sometime speak. Some mediums are real. You have every right to ask about your brother. That's sad.
So, there is a Sistole ? Like in the movie, or was that fake ?
Someone wrote me and told me chloroform acts like that too ?
Same symptoms.
Do you know what drug your brother was taking ?
I've taken low dosages of Clonopin in the past.
It made me feel...kind of not real ?
Some choice ?:(
But yeah, I'm very interested in this subject.
Thank you for the condolences. He was doing heroin but he stopped about a year ago. I know he stopped since he never hid that from me (i too am a recoverying addict). Nothing has come up in the autopsy for drugs they test so thats why I asked in this thread. Heroin wouldve come up so that wasnt it... What mixed with steroids could cause a 29 yr old to drop? The drug is real but I didnt see anything about it being a Benzo or causing death so maybe it was just for the movie. They didnt find anything around his body (needles, pills, ect) which makes me think it was taken before he went home. Ive read on here that Benzos sometimes dont come up...is that true? I know he did dab with the xanax & klonopin but he wouldve had to have mixed it with something. Maybe he took something he thought was something else (thats my husbands theory). As for cloraform that just causes you to pass out just like ghb would but that stuff is used to subdue a person & he was home for about an hour talking/acting normal before he passed. I just wish I had some answers... Who knows maybe ill go talk to that girl again & ask her to ask him. It was hard not to believe the medium, even my mom believes her.
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#57
Jun 28, 2011
 
Maybe the steroids themselves ? Maybe it was just too much for his heart ?
The Benzos don't always show.
Yeah, I think that drug was made up for the movie, still very close though.
Maybe he didn't get a pure amount of the drug ?
Maybe it was too strong ?
:(
If that lady can you, go see her.
I would.
Rmc09z

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Ghb can be injected depending on metabolism it can leave the urine and blood in under 12 hours. Have experience with most drugs unfortunately feel free to ask anything. Been clean for some time.
Juan

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#61
May 17, 2013
 
Ghb is not the date rape drug. Ruffies or rohipitnal is the date rape drug that causes black outs and in high dosage amnesia. Ghb is made to relax muscles. Most weight lifters who use steroids use ghb to relieve pain and muscle aches. But can not be used as a date rape drug. Sistol is a made up name for the fictional script of Kiss The Girls.
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#63
Jul 16, 2013
 
Juan wrote:
Ghb is not the date rape drug. Ruffies or rohipitnal is the date rape drug that causes black outs and in high dosage amnesia. Ghb is made to relax muscles. Most weight lifters who use steroids use ghb to relieve pain and muscle aches. But can not be used as a date rape drug. Sistol is a made up name for the fictional script of Kiss The Girls.
GHB can absolutely be used as a date rape drug! For most women a very low dose (like a cap full) of GHB can cause them to pass out and not remember what has happened to them. If you think that GHB can't be used as a date rape drug than you must have been living under a rock! There have been tons of stories in the news about women being unknowingly dosed with it and waking up naked in a strangers house!

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