systemic analgesic with amnesia
pinker44

Holland, MI

#22 Jan 5, 2010
Toxicology studies at autopsy check for commonly abused pharmaceuticals and other known toxins. They do not encompass all drugs and substances known to be used and abused.

http://www.wardelab.com/Appendix20_Toxicology...

In the autopsy of JonBenet there was no testing for the uncommon drugs Imipramine (Tofranil), Desmopressin (DDAVD), and Oxybutynin (Ditropan), Tolterodine (Detrol), Darifenacin (Enablex), Solifenacin (Vesicare), Trospium (Sanctura), and Fesoterodine (Toviaz). These are powerful medications used for incontinence with potential life threatening complications and side effects, especially in pediatric situations.

This is possibly the reason her medical records have never seen the light of day...
Heloise

UK

#23 Jan 5, 2010
I'd be surprised if GHB had been used on JBR. Certainly if a stun gun was also used (which I doubt) and one of the points of GHB is that you don't need to use force to subdue your victim. Why bother with the restraints (such as they were) and the duct tape (applied, as it almost certainly was, post mortem) if you have administered GHB?

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#24 Jan 5, 2010
pinker44 wrote:
Toxicology studies at autopsy check for commonly abused pharmaceuticals and other known toxins. They do not encompass all drugs and substances known to be used and abused.
http://www.wardelab.com/Appendix20_Toxicology...
In the autopsy of JonBenet there was no testing for the uncommon drugs Imipramine (Tofranil), Desmopressin (DDAVD), and Oxybutynin (Ditropan), Tolterodine (Detrol), Darifenacin (Enablex), Solifenacin (Vesicare), Trospium (Sanctura), and Fesoterodine (Toviaz). These are powerful medications used for incontinence with potential life threatening complications and side effects, especially in pediatric situations.
This is possibly the reason her medical records have never seen the light of day...
Do you have a source for this please? TIA
Biz

New Port Richey, FL

#25 Jan 5, 2010
Heloise wrote:
I'd be surprised if GHB had been used on JBR. Certainly if a stun gun was also used (which I doubt) and one of the points of GHB is that you don't need to use force to subdue your victim. Why bother with the restraints (such as they were) and the duct tape (applied, as it almost certainly was, post mortem) if you have administered GHB?
Oh a stun gun wouldn't have been needed if GHB were administered. But perhaps it didn't get into her system fast enough for the perp to control her, so he had to use the stun gun. Just a thought.
pinker44

Holland, MI

#26 Jan 5, 2010
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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Do you have a source for this please? TIA
What info do you want the source for? The link lists the common substances checked for in an autopsy blood screening.

The front page of the autopsy states:
Toxicology Studies
blood ethanol none detected
blood drug screen no drugs detected

That does not necessarily mean no drugs were present, it means none were detected with the specific screening test given.
The list of drugs I cited are used to treat urinary incontinence especially in women; but also are prescribed for children with enuresis and daytime issues.

As for the reason JonBenet's Medical Records were locked away, you'd have to ask her doctor.
flipover

New Baltimore, MI

#27 Jan 5, 2010
So, you would have to look for the drug ?
It's not a routine test on autopsy ?
As for JonBenet, still too much not known about the crime. If he wanted to take her out of the home quietly, a drug would work beter than a painful stun gun.
I read it's like the twilight anesthesia they give you for mild procedures.
Too much would cause death which makes me think of another case .....
flipover

New Baltimore, MI

#28 Jan 5, 2010
pinker44 wrote:
Toxicology studies at autopsy check for commonly abused pharmaceuticals and other known toxins. They do not encompass all drugs and substances known to be used and abused.
http://www.wardelab.com/Appendix20_Toxicology...
In the autopsy of JonBenet there was no testing for the uncommon drugs Imipramine (Tofranil), Desmopressin (DDAVD), and Oxybutynin (Ditropan), Tolterodine (Detrol), Darifenacin (Enablex), Solifenacin (Vesicare), Trospium (Sanctura), and Fesoterodine (Toviaz). These are powerful medications used for incontinence with potential life threatening complications and side effects, especially in pediatric situations.
This is possibly the reason her medical records have never seen the light of day...
"Most Benzodiazepines detected. Most likely not clonazepam, Flunitrazepam or triazolam."
I guess I keep looking .....thanks.
flipover

New Baltimore, MI

#29 Jan 5, 2010
pinker44 wrote:
<quoted text>
What info do you want the source for? The link lists the common substances checked for in an autopsy blood screening.
The front page of the autopsy states:
Toxicology Studies
blood ethanol none detected
blood drug screen no drugs detected
That does not necessarily mean no drugs were present, it means none were detected with the specific screening test given.
The list of drugs I cited are used to treat urinary incontinence especially in women; but also are prescribed for children with enuresis and daytime issues.
As for the reason JonBenet's Medical Records were locked away, you'd have to ask her doctor.
"The list of drugs I cited are used to treat urinary incontinence"
Didn't she have a problem in that area ?? But, none were found ?
Nelly

AOL

#30 Jan 5, 2010
I think the only drug they should have been looking for was cocaine. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a little 'snow making' operation going on with JR's accessability to airplanes and connections in Aspen..just sayin'. Coke was huge back then, especially for the modern rich.
FoolsGold

Lehigh Acres, FL

#31 Jan 5, 2010
Biz wrote:
Many girls were given it when it first came out and they had no idea what made them forget what had happened to them. It was a well kept secret for many years by date rapists and perverts.
Not at all. It was well known and many instances of its administration did not result in total memory loss, it was more a compliance agent than a consent agent or a mind-blanking agent. That Max Factor heir administered it in Mega-doses because he liked his females comatose.
I don't think anyone needs to drug a six year old though!
koldkase

Lawrenceville, GA

#32 Jan 5, 2010
Yeah, especially not with her skull cracked in half.
flipover

New Baltimore, MI

#33 Jan 5, 2010
If you read my post, if I wrote it that way ???
I don't know ...... I was looking for drug info and I know many people here know their stuff.
I wasn't referring to JonBenet.
But, the meds to stop her from wetting her bed makes you think a bit ?
koldkase

Lawrenceville, GA

#34 Jan 5, 2010
JonBenet was a healthy child. This was proven at autopsy. Her bed-wetting problems were repeatedly discussed with her pediatrician, before and after her murder. There was no medical cause which resulted in any drug treatment that I've ever seen in 13 years. Patsy said she quit putting the diapers on JonBenet so she'd "feel" wet and stop.

If there was no medical condition, why would her pediatrician give her powerful, possibly dangerous drugs to treat bed-wetting? Patsy never even told Dr. Beuf it was an actual problem, according to them both. Patsy stated countless times it wasn't a big deal.

Considering the infamy of this case, as well, seems there are other ways LE might have been alerted to such medications being used on the child. The maid or a family member or friend might have seen the medicine. A pharmacy would have filled the prescription. That sort of thing.

You can google up info on any drug known to humans easily enough and get far better medical science and pharmacology sources than any of us here.
flipover

New Baltimore, MI

#35 Jan 5, 2010
Ya, I googled. There's too much info out there. I wanted to narrow down my search.
So many people here really know the drug thing.
I was hoping .......
Biz

Tampa, FL

#36 Jan 5, 2010
flipover wrote:
Thank you, Biz.
When did it hit the streets ?
Is it something a vet would use ??
I really don't know.
I look it up, I get porn sites ..........
Well it started out to bulk up body builders. It wasn't regulated by the FDA for a long time, then it was sold as a sleep enhancer and they took notice. It started hitting the club scene as a date rape drug in the mid 90's.(maybe sooner for those in the know). Many women didn't even know they had been drugged until years later when it came out that someone could put it into your drink, take advantage of you and you wouldn't even remember a thing. Most people didn't realize the extent of this drug until the Max Factor heir was arrested in Mexico by Dog the Bounty Hunter. He had tapes where he gave girls GHB (also known as Liquid Ecstasy) took advantage of them and filmed it. Many had no idea until LE showed them the tapes. So this would be a miracle drug for rapists or sadistic pedophiles.
BrotherMoon

Littleton, CO

#37 Jan 5, 2010
Biz wrote:
<quoted text>
Well it started out to bulk up body builders. It wasn't regulated by the FDA for a long time, then it was sold as a sleep enhancer and they took notice. It started hitting the club scene as a date rape drug in the mid 90's.(maybe sooner for those in the know). Many women didn't even know they had been drugged until years later when it came out that someone could put it into your drink, take advantage of you and you wouldn't even remember a thing. Most people didn't realize the extent of this drug until the Max Factor heir was arrested in Mexico by Dog the Bounty Hunter. He had tapes where he gave girls GHB (also known as Liquid Ecstasy) took advantage of them and filmed it. Many had no idea until LE showed them the tapes. So this would be a miracle drug for rapists or sadistic pedophiles.
So you went to bars and put the drug in your own drink hoping to get laid?
Biz

Tampa, FL

#38 Jan 5, 2010
BrotherMoon wrote:
<quoted text>
So you went to bars and put the drug in your own drink hoping to get laid?
No but you probably had to.
Biz

Tampa, FL

#39 Jan 5, 2010
Here is a better link talking about GHB and a similar drug called Ketamine, a rave drug that Vetinarians commonly use. It's street name is Special K or Cat Valium.

http://www.watchyourdrink.com/drugs.htm
BrotherMoon

Littleton, CO

#40 Jan 5, 2010
Biz wrote:
Here is a better link talking about GHB and a similar drug called Ketamine, a rave drug that Vetinarians commonly use. It's street name is Special K or Cat Valium.
http://www.watchyourdrink.com/drugs.htm
So you used these drugs on animals so they would have sex with you?
Heloise

UK

#41 Jan 6, 2010
Biz wrote:
Here is a better link talking about GHB and a similar drug called Ketamine, a rave drug that Vetinarians commonly use. It's street name is Special K or Cat Valium.
http://www.watchyourdrink.com/drugs.htm
Biz, years ago, I encountered someone who had taken ketamine. It was the scariest spectacle I think I've ever seen - he was convinced that I was a new anchor interviewing him about how he unlocked the secret of the universe. No BS!

It seemed to make him gobbier and more vocal.

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