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BrotherMoon

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Look on the bright side: every minute he's boring multitudes on the radio, he's not out railroading innocent people.
candy

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Thanks Brother Moon. It's a crying shame that his book did not make more of an impact and sell many thousands more copies than it did. But Team Ramsey was well prepared for it, having figured out the "news" so long before they had their own book by Sargeant Whitson ready to go at the same time.

It was clear on last week's Nancy Grace mysteries that she hadn't even heard of the book, and didn't know what it had to say about Burke, or anything else. I would like to know the real story about why the book was shut out of every national news TV network.
candy

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One of the biggest failures in this case was that by leaking information that the police had on the Ramseys, they would some how want to confess. That theory has been a colossal failure in this case. It's only given the Ramseys a huge heads up about evidence the police had on them, and tons of time for the Scams to explain it away. They'll confess when hell freezes over twice. And it's just awful how much they know about what the actual state of the evidence really is, more than any other suspect ever, IMO. That has worked to their enormous benefit.
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I don't think the Ramseys are innocent, btw. it disturbs me that Kolar doesn't realize how thin his evidence against Burke is. Confirmation bias is like a disease with Kolar. That's a problem in a law enforcement professional.
candy

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Aug 1, 2013
 
egad wrote:
I don't think the Ramseys are innocent, btw. it disturbs me that Kolar doesn't realize how thin his evidence against Burke is. Confirmation bias is like a disease with Kolar. That's a problem in a law enforcement professional.
Kolar only mentioned SOME of what he saw. What he mentioned, I agree was very interesting, to say the least. We don't know what he held back, and we don't know how much more there is, or isn't. The grand jury sure didn't believe Burke and his story of an intruder in the house, and Burke isn't cooperating with this investigation, even though they asked him for an interview. No one knows what happened, where it started, and who all were involved in that house from the time they arrived home from the Whites, until Patsy called 911 (then her friends) the next morning.
Heloise

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Aug 1, 2013
 
Zoomama over at FFJ has just mentioned some interesting stuff raised by Wendy Murphy on Tricia's show recently (regarding drugs and JBR's eyes among other things). I do hope Chief Kolar can be persuaded to confirm or deny what Wendy Murphy says.

BTW, did anybody hear that show?
Heloise

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Aug 1, 2013
 
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Kolar only mentioned SOME of what he saw. What he mentioned, I agree was very interesting, to say the least. We don't know what he held back, and we don't know how much more there is, or isn't. The grand jury sure didn't believe Burke and his story of an intruder in the house, and Burke isn't cooperating with this investigation, even though they asked him for an interview. No one knows what happened, where it started, and who all were involved in that house from the time they arrived home from the Whites, until Patsy called 911 (then her friends) the next morning.
On the subject of Burke, another interesting thing mentioned by Chief Kolar is that lots of Grand Jury testimony just disappeared...
egad

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Kolar only mentioned SOME of what he saw. What he mentioned, I agree was very interesting, to say the least. We don't know what he held back, and we don't know how much more there is, or isn't.
I didn't say what Kolar said was interesting so I don't know who you're agreeing with.(But nice try.) I imagine Kolar likes people to think he knows a lot more than he's saying in the hope that we'll overlook the deficiencies in his reasoning.

If Burke doesn't know if JonBenet was killed by knife or bludgeon, but thinks that the bludgeon, if used, was a hammer--a very unlikely instrument in this case--how does that translate to Burke having firsthand knowledge?(Kolar accepts that Burke's knowledge of where JonBenet was found came from a discussion with his father.)

Kolar even seems unaware that nobody knows for sure what JonBenet was hit with, so his saying that a one-handed overhand strike "replicates exactly" the fatal blow is nonsense. He can't know for sure that the instrument involved didn't require two hands.

From Foreign Faction by James Kolar:

"When asked again what he thought had happened, Burke advised without hesitation that he knew what happened to JonBenet, and that she had been killed. He stated that he thought someone had quietly carried her downstairs to the basement and the person then either stabbed JonBenet or struck a blow to her head with a hammer.

A chill ran down the back of my neck as I watched Burke TWICE physically imitate the act of striking a blow with his right arm during his casual discussion of the matter.

I stopped and replayed that section of the video several times.

It seemed absolutely incredible, but Burke was replicating exactly the type of an over-the-arm blow that would have been responsible for the head injury sustained by Jonbenet."
candy

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Aug 1, 2013
 
Heloise wrote:
Zoomama over at FFJ has just mentioned some interesting stuff raised by Wendy Murphy on Tricia's show recently (regarding drugs and JBR's eyes among other things). I do hope Chief Kolar can be persuaded to confirm or deny what Wendy Murphy says.
BTW, did anybody hear that show?
This is one of the reasons I can imagine Lin Wood just hates Wendy Murphy. She keeps peddling drugs EVEN THOUGH THE CORONER SAID THERE WERE NO DRUGS IN JONBENET'S BODY. But she keeps up anyway....
candy

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The second part of the fallacy that rich people are ever going to want to confess (it's mostly the poor that confess), and that leaking evidence is going to prompt them to confess, is that it is somehow less egregious when a family member kills another family member than "an intruder." Huh? JonBenet's life is just as snuffed out as if BTK killed her. Lazy law enforcement that is leaking so the perps will solve the case for them and put their own backside behind bars for life (they are always "surprised" when IT DOESN'T HAPPEN), also thinks these killers aren't worth pursuring as much as a serial killer. WRONG. ALL of these killers are SOCIOAPTHS.
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candy wrote:
The second part of the fallacy that rich people are ever going to want to confess (it's mostly the poor that confess), and that leaking evidence is going to prompt them to confess, is that it is somehow less egregious when a family member kills another family member than "an intruder." Huh? JonBenet's life is just as snuffed out as if BTK killed her. Lazy law enforcement that is leaking so the perps will solve the case for them and put their own backside behind bars for life (they are always "surprised" when IT DOESN'T HAPPEN), also thinks these killers aren't worth pursuring as much as a serial killer. WRONG. ALL of these killers are SOCIOAPTHS.
I thought la notion de Kolar was that Burke attacked her and the parents covered it up for him. Does that make one sociopath or three?
egad

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Kolar didn't reveal any new information, but he did expand on his scenario. At first he said that Patsy gave pineapple to Burke, then got JonBenet up to use the toilet. Later he said that Patsy didn't know anything about the pineapple. Nevermind. Scene: Burke is eating pineapple and playing with the flashlight.

JonBenet comes in and snatches a piece of pineapple from Burke's dish. This enrages Burke who hits her with the flashlight. Or maybe he swings her around by her top before that, making finger impressions on her upper chest. Patsy is oblivious to this brawl going on in the kitchen. Burke then carries or drags JonBenet downstairs where he pokes her with train tracks. I don't know if Kolar said that it was Burke who gives JonBenet the business with the broken paintbrush and then garrotes her. I don't remember him mentioning it.

Patsy remembers that Burke has been eating pineapple in the kitchen for a couple of hours or for some reason she decides to go find one or both children. Eventually she discovers JonBenet. Does she wake her rich and connected husband to help with this horror? No, like a nice wife she lets the poor guy sleep and stages a break-in on her own. When John gets up, he recognizes Patsy's handwriting and phraseology in the note and realizes that there was no intruder.
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In talking about Burke's interview, Kolar says that Burke mimed stabbing JonBenet or hitting her on the head. Kolar said that these two stories are inconsistent. "Inconsistent" is one of those words used to describe the evolving narratives of guilty people. Quite possibly Burke just doesn't know and is offering two scenarios he thinks might have happened (one of which is wrong--that kind of inconsistent).

Oddly, Kolar once again says that Burke mimed hitting her in the head with a hammer. But Kolar thinks that Burke hit her with the flashlight. Isn't Burke then miming hitting her with a flashlight? Why does Kolar keep calling it a hammer? Does Burke refer to it as a hammer during the interview?
BrotherMoon

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It is a bizzare scenario that he proposes that he cannot completely explain.

He says John found the body at 11 am apparently after Patsy found the body in the kithchen or in the basement after Burke does her in. And he offers no evidence to back up his bizzare idea.

That makes a great book according to Tricia Griffith.
BrotherMoon

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egad

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BrotherMoon wrote:
It is a bizzare scenario that he proposes that he cannot completely explain.
He says John found the body at 11 am apparently after Patsy found the body in the kithchen or in the basement after Burke does her in. And he offers no evidence to back up his bizzare idea.
That makes a great book according to Tricia Griffith.
I don't know if I'd call it bizarre. Unconvincing.

At first Kolar said that JonBenet was asleep when she came home and Burke was hungry so Patsy set him up with pineapple in the kitchen. It must be around 10pm. Then Patsy goes and gets JonBenet up to go to the bathroom. So far, so good. Then JonBenet decides to join Burke in the kitchen. It must still be fairly close to the time they got home if Burke's still in the kitchen. Bang! ding! ow! Now what's Patsy doing while Burke's doing all this bashing, slinging and dragging? JonBenet didn't die until around midnight. How long did it take Patsy to remember that she left Burke alone in the kitchen?

So maybe it's not surprising that Kolar would jettison this scenario when he's asked why Patsy didn't mention the pineapple. Now Burke and JonBenet are getting the pineapple themselves and Patsy doesn't know about it. I guess she's in bed. I suppose I like this version more because I think the timing makes better sense. The problem is I don't remember Kolar acknowledging that he's now changed the scenario he gave just half an hour before.
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He also stretches the timeline from 45 minutes to a possible 2 hrs. for the pineapple to "move through her system" as he wrote in his book. It didn't move through her system. It moved through her system TO THE PROXIMAL INTESTINE. He conveniently leaves that part out. That part shrinks the timeline. With the TOD near 1 am the eating of the pineapple is closer to midnight.

Kolar is trying to put too many square pegs into too many round holes.
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I hope everyone enjoys my contribution to the show.
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Aug 5, 2013
 
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