Chief James Kolar on the JonBenet Ram...

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#149 Nov 6, 2013
koldkase wrote:
<quoted text>JR was SUICIDAL? Who's speculating now? LOL I LOVE hypocrisy; it's my favorite character flaw in humans.

John Ramsey himself said he was worried about that old intruder coming back while he was at the Fernies' house.

My source: what JR stated TO LE.

6 LOU SMIT: So then you go to the Fernies.
7 Can you just kind of remember? This would have
8 been during the afternoon. Can you just remember
9 basically what you did as a family, Patsy and
10 yourself?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember much. I mean,
12 we went to the Fernie's house, we were in the
13 living room. The police might have been there. I
14 know we had a police officer 24 hours a day, which
15 we felt made us feel secure. We were very afraid.
16 LOU SMIT: Of?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: Of the killer or who was
18 after us, who was trying to harm us. Were they
19 going to harm Burke. We were frightened. And
20 having the policeman there was very comforting. I
21 remember that.(INAUDIBLE) you leave, I don't
22 know.
23 But we pretty much just stayed in the
24 living room.

Though I do believe JR was lying as fast as his lips could move, I believe his statements to LE are sufficient to have a case discussion.

As for me speculating, anyone who comes up with a theory IS SPECULATING. Where you're getting your "testimony of experts" to lord over us bullchitters, I can't WAIT to hear. This case has never been to trial, so there are no "facts" tested by a jury, who are THE FINDERS OF FACT.

Or do you think thoughts that pop out of your mind are The Gospel According To You? When we need an idea you'll give it to us?

My INTERPRETATION of the disparities in what JR said and what he actually DID is that John's statements of intruder worries didn't extend to his actions. LE asked the Ramseys about these numerous inconsistencies every time they interviewed them.

So if YOU'RE ARGUING JR MEANT TO GET DR. BEUF AND MR. BYNUM KILLED the night of Dec. 26th, AS WELL AS HIMSELF? I must admit, I'm just not smart enough to come up with such FACTS!

My simple mind runs thus: If JR thought there was an intruder so able and willing to kill his child, whom he just carried up from his basement hours earlier, why would he not fear that murderer who didn't get his $118K--and oops, LE got called!

By his own statement, JR either thought that, as well, or he surmised he WOULD have, had there been an intruder.

So either he was trying to kill himself--and Dr. Beuf and Mr. Bynum might as well come along for the suicide party, as you IMAGINE it, or JR wasn't worried about any Foreign Faction, no matter how Small.

I swear, those Ramseys knew how to have a good time! First a Dawn Kidnapping Party, followed by a Suicide Party!#Note to self: your life is boring.

And to answer your condescending question: I contribute...NOTHING. P.E.R.I.O.D. I'm just the peanut gallery.

You may need to sit down for this shocker: neither do you. WE will not "solve" this case. Anyone who thinks we're doing more than having a public discussion about it has delusions of grandeur.
JR said he had considered suicide. I said he might have welcomed death at that point.

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#150 Nov 6, 2013
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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#151 Nov 7, 2013
Nobodyudno wrote:
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This is a public board. Do you always act like this when you don't get your way?
That would be affirmative :)

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#152 Nov 7, 2013
koldkase wrote:
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Oooohhh...you used a legal term...Daubert! I'm so impressed! You so smart! I so dumb!!
lol
JR was SUICIDAL? Who's speculating now? LOL I LOVE hypocrisy; it's my favorite character flaw in humans.
John Ramsey himself said he was worried about that old intruder coming back while he was at the Fernies' house.
My source: what JR stated TO LE.
......11 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember much. I mean,
12 we went to the Fernie's house, we were in the
13 living room. The police might have been there. I
14 know we had a police officer 24 hours a day, which
15 we felt made us feel secure. We were very afraid.
16 LOU SMIT: Of?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: Of the killer or who was
18 after us, who was trying to harm us. Were they
19 going to harm Burke. We were frightened. And
20 having the policeman there was very comforting. I
21 remember that.(INAUDIBLE) you leave, I don't
22 know.
23 But we pretty much just stayed in the
24 living room.
Though I do believe he was lying as fast as his lips could move, I believe his statements to LE are sufficient to have a case discussion. If you don't, why are you here?
As for me speculating, anyone who comes up with a theory IS SPECULATING. Where you're getting your "testimony of experts" to lord over us bullchitters, I can't WAIT to hear. This case has never been to trial, so there are no "facts" tested by a jury, who are THE FINDERS OF FACT.
Or do you think thoughts that pop out of your mind are The Gospel According To You? All Hail Queen Mama?
My INTERPRETATION of the disparities in what JR said and what he actually DID is that John's intruder worries didn't extend to his actions.
ARE YOU ARGUING HE MEANT TO GET DR. BEUF AND LAWYER BYNUM KILLED the night of Dec. 26th, AS WELL AS HIMSELF? I must admit, I'm just not smart enough to come up with such FACTS!
My simple mind runs thus: If JR thought there was an intruder so able and willing to kill his child, whom he just carried up from his basement hours earlier, why would he not fear that murderer who didn't get his $118K--and oops, LE got called!
By his own statement, JR either thought that, as well, or he surmised he WOULD have, had there been an intruder.
So either he was trying to kill himself--and Dr. Beuf and Mr. Bynum might as well come along for the suicide party, as you IMAGINE it, or JR wasn't worried about any Foreign Faction, no matter how Small.
I swear, those Ramseys knew how to have a good time! First a Dawn Kidnapping Party, followed by a Suicide Party!#Note to self: your life is boring.
And to answer your condescending question: I contribute...NOTHING. P.E.R.I.O.D. I'm just the peanut gallery.
You may need to sit down for this shocker: neither do you. WE will not "solve" this case. Anyone who thinks we're doing more than having a public discussion about it has delusions of grandeur.
However, if you think you have some kind of superior knowledge and crime-solving ability (!) separating you from us low-brow forum beer can collectors, please use your expertise with your fellow geniuses who are ready to crack it wide open...any decade now...based on Team Ramsey lies, red herrings, and DNA disinformation.
Woohoo! Hurry hurry hurry! We RDI dummies aren't getting any younger! All that crow waiting! Yummie!
You will have to realize that there are a couple of posters who have convinced themselves that they know exactly what any one of the Ramseys were feeling at any given time. I guess it is "imagination" at its best/worst depending on one's perspective LOL

John was sooooo worried about his family that he took no further precautions with their safety and as soon as they got back to Atlanta they continued to keep their doors UNlocked even with a gun cabinet that was also UNlocked and accessible to their young son as well. HENCE, the infamous Atlanta robbery where they just couldn't run fast enough to the police station; a murdered child? not so much

I guess John figured the killer wouldn't travel

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#153 Nov 7, 2013
koldkase wrote:
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....And to answer your condescending question: I contribute...NOTHING. P.E.R.I.O.D. I'm just the peanut gallery....
LOL, don't feel too bad KK

Her peanut gallery should be along momentarily to further support John's "feelings" and maybe even Patsy's too!

So pay careful attention :) and hang onto your hat!

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#154 Nov 7, 2013
Nobodyudno wrote:
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This is a public board. Do you always act like this when you don't get your way?
You mean like a lady? Yes, she does, ALWAYS.

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#155 Nov 7, 2013
Mama2JML wrote:
<quoted text>JR said he had considered suicide. I said he might have welcomed death at that point.
Where you find your patience from, Mama, I don't know. I see these L O N G drawn-out rants and I fall asleep.

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#156 Nov 7, 2013
Yep, right on cue, but "where I come from we like the girls who sing soprano!"
Capricorn wrote:
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LOL, don't feel too bad KK
Her peanut gallery should be along momentarily to further support John's "feelings" and maybe even Patsy's too!
So pay careful attention :) and hang onto your hat!

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#157 Nov 7, 2013
Don't forget in Atlanta he got locked in a room where the door opened inward towards him. How does that happen? How does that happen to a CEO?
Capricorn wrote:
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John was sooooo worried about his family that he took no further precautions with their safety and as soon as they got back to Atlanta they continued to keep their doors UNlocked even with a gun cabinet that was also UNlocked and accessible to their young son as well. HENCE, the infamous Atlanta robbery where they just couldn't run fast enough to the police station; a murdered child? not so much
I guess John figured the killer wouldn't travel

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#158 Nov 7, 2013
Lynette 22 wrote:
<quoted text>Where you find your patience from, Mama, I don't know. I see these L O N G drawn-out rants and I fall asleep.
I didn't need melatonin last night! ;o)

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#159 Nov 7, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Don't forget in Atlanta he got locked in a room where the door opened inward towards him. How does that happen? How does that happen to a CEO?
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Yeah, that was one of the "lighter" moments of the case. It was their "grasping at straws" moment to get some needed positive PR and sympathy. What ended up happening is that it backfired as did so many other things

They showed how willing they were to cooperate with police when it came to KMart jewelry and of course the ever popular gun cabinet that was UNlocked with people having access to it, INCLUDING his young son AND a wild madman on the loose gunning for the Ramseys!

The getting locked in the bathroom with the door opening the wrong way is a memorable part of the story indeed but being a CEO doesn't necessarily mandate a brilliant mind; just a crafty one
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#160 Nov 7, 2013
koldkase wrote:
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I think Bynum was on that walk...into the dark, no security, murderous Foreign Faction running loose....
I've always felt there were things discussed they wanted to make sure "others" (police guard was posted at the home) wouldn't hear: Patsy's sisters, JR's older children and Melinda's fiance, the Fernies and maybe some of their family--it was their house, after all.
Must have been quite crowded.
Argue all you want that it was normal for JR to want to get out and get some fresh air, etc., in light of the stress, but come on! His daughter was just murdered in his own home, he found her body, for heaven's sake! A ransom note from someone who had the wherewithall to get to his family and do this!
And he's out walking in the dark of Boulder without so much as one security guard THAT NIGHT?
The Ramseys were not worried about any intruder. Not even then.
You won't catch me arguing. ;)
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#161 Nov 7, 2013
Mama2JML wrote:
<quoted text>This was on the 26th,@ the Fernies' home. JonBenet, Burke's sister was murdered hours before, and you find it's interesting that John "went into a room to talk with Burke"; after Burke had been interviewed by investigators @ the Whites'. What do you think John was saying to Burke?
Ohh, I don't know. Maybe a little more coaching on what not to say and a rehash of the story he was told to tell the police.
Just seems funny that JR took the kid aside right after Bynum told him he needed to get a lawyer.
We know they never discussed the murder with Burke so it sure couldn't have been that. ;)
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#162 Nov 7, 2013
This extreme fear of the unknown perp must not have kicked in until after John found JonBenet's body. For he certainly didn't think twice about shipping Burke off with friends the morning of the kidnapping/murder. Actions ALWAYS speak louder than words.

I don't really judge the Ramseys by what they have said. Anyone can sit down and plot a course with words to prove innocence after the fact. It was their actions during and right after the crime that indicated guilt, IMO.
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#163 Nov 7, 2013
And if John was truly concerned that there was someone out there who was still a real threat to his family, all the more reason to cooperate with the authorities.

How naïve are we expected to be? I knew people who thought President Clinton didn't have sex with Monica Lewinsky. The idea that the Ramseys weren't involved somehow with their daughter's death borders on the same level of ludicrousness. Except in a much more serious manner.

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#164 Nov 7, 2013
If John was truly in fear for himself and his family, he wouldn't have been so cavalier about how he protected them in Atlanta, continuing to keep a door UNlocked, and keeping a gun cabinet UNlocked when he also had a young son

If John or any other citizen is even aware of safety on any level, not locking your doors and having an UNlocked gun cabinet is just pure "asking for trouble"

John was not concerned enough on general rules, and then to claim he was in dire fear for his family is ludicrous at best

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#165 Nov 7, 2013
Just Wondering wrote:
And if John was truly concerned that there was someone out there who was still a real threat to his family, all the more reason to cooperate with the authorities.
How naïve are we expected to be? I knew people who thought President Clinton didn't have sex with Monica Lewinsky. The idea that the Ramseys weren't involved somehow with their daughter's death borders on the same level of ludicrousness. Except in a much more serious manner.
I don't believe that some people who argue there was an intruder at this point truly believe it. I think they know the Ramseys did this. They simply have formed long term, online relationships based on being pro-Ramsey and that's the "IDI Club Membership" key. So no matter how ridiculous, they will always pretend they believe in the intruder.

Of course the Ramseys' relatives and friends will never let go of the Intruder. They get lots of support and sympathy from the Intruderists. The other side of that is shame and disgrace, after all. With the legal and media machine firmly on Team Ramsey now, why would they let go of the Intruder? Never going to happen.

Also the circling of the wagons may have to do with protecting Burke. Maybe they know more about this than we ever will.

Poor JonBenet has been abandoned every way she can be by those who should have been fighting for her much harder than The Peanut Gallery. But it's not about truth or justice for them. It's about saving face.

That's what I think, anyway.

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#166 Nov 7, 2013
learnin wrote:
With all due respect, Fr. B, Kolar's theory is not based upon the poopy pants but, rather, the totality of evidence. He has considered Burke's psychiatric evaluation where he was asked to draw a picture of his family and left out JBR. He has considered that the marks, on JBR's back, matches the prongs on the train track. He has considered the candy smeared with feces and the feces smearing in the bathroom. He considered Burke's reactions to certain questions which troubled the psychologist questioner.
He considered that Burke was pretty close to the evidence when he stated, "I know what happened, someone came in and," then he proceeded to mimic someone striking JBR over the head.
Yes Kolar, possibly, failed to verify every piece of evidence he came across. My God, he couldn't spend his whole life tracking down and verifying everything in the police file. But he did have access to the files and his theory is based upon the totality of evidence he was able to consider. After all, with so much to cosider; with so much botched in the early going; with a non-cooperative DA's office in the early going, it's about all one could do.
I understand your theory is different from Kolar's but Kolar presents a very important testimony concerning this case.
My reply seems to have vanished so I'll recap it. I should learn to cut and paste them somewhere.

Once Kolar eliminated an intruder to his satisfaction, he was left with John, Patsy and Burke. In a radio interview, Kolar revealed that he thought John slept through the night. That left Patsy and Burke. Though there is physical evidence implicating Patsy, Kolar did not consider her capable of striking the head blow: "I just couldn't reconcile the fact that Patsy was, by all accounts, a loving and doting mother, and I had difficulty envisioning her ever brutalizing either of her children." So that left Burke who must now be implicated because he's the only one left.

Kolar links Burke to the crime scene by his fingerprint on the glass near the pineapple. Then follows considerable blah-blah about how unfeeling and weird Burke is. Before I had my own little weirdo, I might have found this more convincing. News flash: the more it hurts, the deeper they bury it.

To portray Burke as a total freakazoid, Kolar uses three factoids: Vodicka's statement about something involving poop in Burke's bathroom when he was six, the feces-stained "pajamas," and the candy box. So nobody's talking about "tracking down everything in the police file." How about just those three things?

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#167 Nov 7, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Don't forget in Atlanta he got locked in a room where the door opened inward towards him. How does that happen? How does that happen to a CEO?
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Oh, clearly y'all are forgetting the IMPORTANT DETAIL in this through-the-basement-door with the alarm system off burglary: the clever burglar "tied" the bathroom door knob with a towel or something to a grandfather clock nearby.

Yeah. I'm NOT making this up!

JR, on the other hand....

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#168 Nov 7, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
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LOL, don't feel too bad KK
Her peanut gallery should be along momentarily to further support John's "feelings" and maybe even Patsy's too!
So pay careful attention :) and hang onto your hat!
OMG! You must be PSYCHIC! ;-)

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