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Wendy Murphy on black fibers in JonBenet's panties

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#1 Dec 20, 2012
Wendy Murphy wrote this article after Lacy cleared the Ramseys. This section references the alleged black fibers found in JonBenet's panties:

"Police told John Ramsey they found black wool sweater fibers inside the underpants JonBenet was wearing when her body was found, fibers that matched the Israeli wool sweater John was wearing on the night in question. Ramsey had no explanation for how the fibers could have gotten there, so he just yelled and filibustered – a common tactic when the suspect doesn’t want to, or can’t, answer a particular question. If the facts were different, he might have said the sweater fibers got there through laundering. But the sweater was never washed – it was wool – and the underpants were three sizes too big and had never been worn before."

Read more: http://www.patriotledger.com/news/cops_and_co...

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#2 Dec 21, 2012
This is a great article, and her book was equally good. I;m glad a thread was started on this.
candy wrote:
Wendy Murphy wrote this article after Lacy cleared the Ramseys. This section references the alleged black fibers found in JonBenet's panties:
"Police told John Ramsey they found black wool sweater fibers inside the underpants JonBenet was wearing when her body was found, fibers that matched the Israeli wool sweater John was wearing on the night in question. Ramsey had no explanation for how the fibers could have gotten there, so he just yelled and filibustered – a common tactic when the suspect doesn’t want to, or can’t, answer a particular question. If the facts were different, he might have said the sweater fibers got there through laundering. But the sweater was never washed – it was wool – and the underpants were three sizes too big and had never been worn before."
Read more: http://www.patriotledger.com/news/cops_and_co...
Heloise

Manchester, UK

#3 Dec 21, 2012
DrSeussMd wrote:
This is a great article, and her book was equally good. I;m glad a thread was started on this.
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I agree, Dr Seuss. I haven't got the book at hand, but she says something like 'when are we going to get our heads out of the sand and realise that sometimes decent-looking people do really dastardly things?'

To me, that is at the very heart of this case.

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#4 Dec 21, 2012
Wendy Murphy is an amazing attorney and advocate for crimes against women and children. To me she has always been able to assess situations with lightning speed and accuracy, and she isn't afraid to speak out and stand up for what she believes.
Heloise wrote:
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I agree, Dr Seuss. I haven't got the book at hand, but she says something like 'when are we going to get our heads out of the sand and realise that sometimes decent-looking people do really dastardly things?'
To me, that is at the very heart of this case.
Heloise

Manchester, UK

#5 Dec 21, 2012
DrSeussMd wrote:
Wendy Murphy is an amazing attorney and advocate for crimes against women and children. To me she has always been able to assess situations with lightning speed and accuracy, and she isn't afraid to speak out and stand up for what she believes.
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I hadn't heard about until the JonBenet case but I have been so impressed with her. I loved the way she dared Lin Wood to sue her.

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#6 Dec 21, 2012
Heloise wrote:
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I hadn't heard about until the JonBenet case but I have been so impressed with her. I loved the way she dared Lin Wood to sue her.
AND.....Lin Wood didn't do it LOL

We were all praying that he would, but he wasn't stupid enough to mess with HER

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#7 Dec 21, 2012
Me too. LOL

She also predicted Casey Anthony would walk free.
Heloise wrote:
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I hadn't heard about until the JonBenet case but I have been so impressed with her. I loved the way she dared Lin Wood to sue her.

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#9 Dec 23, 2012
I don't believe Murphy has ever stated out loud WHO she believes is the murderer but it is fair to say and she has made it obvious that she does not believe that there was ever an intruder

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#10 Dec 23, 2012
DrSeussMd wrote:
Wendy Murphy is an amazing attorney and advocate for crimes against women and children. To me she has always been able to assess situations with lightning speed and accuracy, and she isn't afraid to speak out and stand up for what she believes.
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Stellar post Seuss. I agree Wendy Murphy is DA BOMB! She can take any convoluted situation and speak to it with such clarity and conviction. It is just an uncanny knack she has in her ability to break down what someone is saying and reiterate the information in a crystal clear manner.

Since: Jan 12

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#11 Dec 23, 2012
Wendy Murphy argues "if the facts were different" John Ramsey could have offered an explanation for fibers found in JonBenet's underwear that matched his Israeli wool sweater. IF the facts were disclosed, perhaps, JR would have had nothing to explain at all?...

Bruce Levin, ATL interview, 2000 with John Ramsey:(CAPS=mine)

"Mr. Ramsey, it is our BELIEF based on forensic evidence that there are hairs that are ASSOCIATED, that the source is the collared black shirt that you sent us that are found in your daughter's underpants, and I wondered if you -"

John Ramsey called "BS" and Levin provided no evidence to support his/the BPD's "belief" during the interview. Wendy Murphy is certainly aware that questions asked during LE interviews are not always based on "facts", or maybe she's not? I believe she is aware, but impaired by her obvious "guilty until proven innocent"-minded bias.

Murphy is also a maligned prosecutorial pundit. The more she says, writes, argues, etc., the more her credibility diminishes. As a whole, the legal community would likely not refer to Murphy as "DA BOMB". Although, many in that community might say she has bombed?...

Murphy's assumption that LE factually portrayed the fiber evidence in JR's 2000 interview with the BPD and her misinterpretation of the legal standard, "Preponderance of the Evidence", displays her hugely negligent and/or ignorant understanding of the laws she once swore to uphold. The following excerpt is from Andrew Kloster's 11.28.12 article, "Getting it Wrong on 'Preponderance'":

"Over at Minding the Campus, Brooklyn College Professor KC Johnson highlights a shocking interview with Wendy Murphy, discredited media pundit and adjunct professor of law at New England Law. Johnson takes issue with the interviewer’s dereliction of duty, failing to note Murphy’s history of 'repeatedly making false statements of fact about the Duke lacrosse case.''...coupled with a myriad of unsubstantiated claims and bizarre interpretations of law' with respect to the Duke lacrosse scandal in which Duke lacrosse players were falsely accused of rape and later exonerated."

...the same case which resulted in the disbarment of DA Michael Nifong.

Source: http://www.themoralliberal.com/2012/11/28/get...

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#12 Dec 23, 2012
Mama2JML wrote:

Murphy's assumption that LE factually portrayed the fiber evidence in JR's 2000 interview with the BPD and her misinterpretation of the legal standard, "Preponderance of the Evidence", displays her hugely negligent and/or ignorant understanding of the laws she once swore to uphold.
I can see you don't understand any more about Wendy Murphy than you do about DNA or the business about Levin vs Colorado Law. Anyone who would take the .000005% and argue that point alone, either didn't read everything KK put out there for you to read or you didn't understand it, I am not sure which. How many cases have you tried vs the number she has tried? How many years have you spent in a courtroom? How many years has it been since you passed the bar? If there is hugely negligent and/or ignorant understanding, I believe it to be yours.

It is always easy to assess how close posts are to the truth by the way the IDI respond.

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#15 Dec 24, 2012
DrSeussMd wrote:
<quoted text>I can see you don't understand any more about Wendy Murphy than you do about DNA or the business about Levin vs Colorado Law. Anyone who would take the .000005% and argue that point alone, either didn't read everything KK put out there for you to read or you didn't understand it, I am not sure which. How many cases have you tried vs the number she has tried? How many years have you spent in a courtroom? How many years has it been since you passed the bar? If there is hugely negligent and/or ignorant understanding, I believe it to be yours.
This thread isn't about me, Seuss.

Wendy Murphy should be applauded for the accomplishments she's made in her pursuit of TRUE justice. Yet, should we neglect to consider the individuals hurt, those whose reputations have been tarnished, through Murphy's unjust and/or ill-informed (public) accusations along the way? I think not. Thus, it is fair to acknowledge that Murphy is far from perfect.

...AND, SO AM I. So are we all?

(Does this satisfy the personal [and rhetorical] inquiries you posed in reply to my criticism of Wendy Murphy? If need be I can elaborate in an "off topic" thread.)

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#16 Dec 24, 2012
Nobody can intelligently discuss a TOPIC unless they fully understand the topic, in which case either the person without a full understanding leaves the discussion until they do understand it or it will be pointed out to them and then the discussion becomes "off" topic

It's akin to reading an important news article and pointing out a spelling error.

Since: Mar 08

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#17 Jan 4, 2013
It's interesting that having been surprised by black wool fiber in John Ramsey's 2000 interview, Lin Wood doesn't bring the subject up in either his deposition of Thomas or Beckner, both in 2001. Wood goes over the other fiber evidence with Thomas (the red fibers on the duct tape, the beaver hair), but doesn't mention Levin's assertion about John's Israeli wool shirt.

Wood questions Beckner about blue cotton fibers and whether Chris Wolf's blue cotton sweater was a match for blue cotton fibers supposedly found at the crime scene.
Heloise

Nottingham, UK

#18 Jan 4, 2013
Fr_Brown wrote:
It's interesting that having been surprised by black wool fiber in John Ramsey's 2000 interview, Lin Wood doesn't bring the subject up in either his deposition of Thomas or Beckner, both in 2001. Wood goes over the other fiber evidence with Thomas (the red fibers on the duct tape, the beaver hair), but doesn't mention Levin's assertion about John's Israeli wool shirt.
Wood questions Beckner about blue cotton fibers and whether Chris Wolf's blue cotton sweater was a match for blue cotton fibers supposedly found at the crime scene.
What an excellent point, Father Brown.

This is sort of connected, but I was reading just yesterday where Judith Phillips insisted that Patsy had the beaver boots and she remembered this specifically because she thought they looked great and wanted a pair.

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#19 Jan 4, 2013
Heloise wrote:
What an excellent point, Father Brown.
This is sort of connected, but I was reading just yesterday where Judith Phillips insisted that Patsy had the beaver boots and she remembered this specifically because she thought they looked great and wanted a pair.
I suspect that Wood's "blue cotton fibers" are Levin's black wool fibers, but I'm not sure. I vaguely remember the wool shirt being characterized as a blend somewhere.

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#20 Jan 4, 2013
I agree with Heloise that you have made some excellent points Fr. Brown

Personally, since we have never seen any fiber report, I'm willing to bet that Wood's "blue cotton fibers" are in fact, the "black wool fibers" and it was purposely misrepresented as such.

After all, the report was not public and the authorities are not allowed to comment about what was in fact in the fiber report, so Wood made them blue and cotton instead of black and wool with no fear of the authorities correcting him

That's my take on it. I don't believe anything that comes out of Wood's mouth in this case and he was/is just another Ramsey tool in their toolbox

I will never forget his smugness when JMK was arrested and he was "scolding" the world for suspecting the Ramseys. He is just another shill

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#21 Jan 4, 2013
Wood was King of the S(hill)s.
He took every opportunity to muddy the water. It used to be we could sit back and watch how fast he reacted - and the faster he did, it became obvious people were way too close to the truth.

I think the 'double B' took their lead from him - say it loud and say it often.
Capricorn wrote:
I agree with Heloise that you have made some excellent points Fr. Brown
Personally, since we have never seen any fiber report, I'm willing to bet that Wood's "blue cotton fibers" are in fact, the "black wool fibers" and it was purposely misrepresented as such.
After all, the report was not public and the authorities are not allowed to comment about what was in fact in the fiber report, so Wood made them blue and cotton instead of black and wool with no fear of the authorities correcting him
That's my take on it. I don't believe anything that comes out of Wood's mouth in this case and he was/is just another Ramsey tool in their toolbox
I will never forget his smugness when JMK was arrested and he was "scolding" the world for suspecting the Ramseys. He is just another shill

Since: Mar 08

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#22 Jan 4, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
I agree with Heloise that you have made some excellent points Fr. Brown
Personally, since we have never seen any fiber report, I'm willing to bet that Wood's "blue cotton fibers" are in fact, the "black wool fibers" and it was purposely misrepresented as such.
After all, the report was not public and the authorities are not allowed to comment about what was in fact in the fiber report, so Wood made them blue and cotton instead of black and wool with no fear of the authorities correcting him
That's my take on it. I don't believe anything that comes out of Wood's mouth in this case and he was/is just another Ramsey tool in their toolbox
Well, Wood got Beckner to agree that blue cotton fibers were found at the crime scene and Beckner was under oath so "blue cotton" must be at least technically correct--which it would be if the fibers in question were blue-black and a wool-cotton blend.

But even if Wood is talking about fibers other than the Israeli wool ones we're talking about on this thread, then the fact that he's never mentions them at all is interesting.

Since: May 11

Seattle, WA

#23 Jan 4, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Wood was King of the S(hill)s.
He took every opportunity to muddy the water. It used to be we could sit back and watch how fast he reacted - and the faster he did, it became obvious people were way too close to the truth.
I think the 'double B' took their lead from him - say it loud and say it often.
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Hi Doc:D
as I recall that conversation, Wood screamed throughout the entire powwow. IOW, Wood reacted quickly to every damned question! LOL
If you believe Ramsey's shirt fibers were found in JBR's undies, why then don't you believe it was he who had been molesting her? Why else would his fibers be there, given that she WAS molested?
It is my belief that either Patsy or Burke were responsible for the head whack, but JR did the rest ONLY BECAUSE he was the molester. That's a powerful incentive to help Patsy and/or Burke.

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