The Oakland County Child Killer
Les

Warren, MI

#21611 Jul 18, 2014
Reasoning wrote:
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Yeah as soon as they suggested that a OCCK suspect is still alive, Les thinks it's him that they are talking about. Where is the proof?
Don't say it Reasoning. I can read our mnd. You were always picked last in phys ed class and your nick name was Peanuts..
WHAT WHAT

Ypsilanti, MI

#21612 Jul 18, 2014
from what i was told the MSP spent the federal money with Microsoft and developed a new software that would help the investigation. they also hired two $6 an hour people to enter files into a database.
Ursula

Roseville, MI

#21613 Jul 19, 2014
Isn't that pretty much what they used some of the the initial funding for?
Les

Warren, MI

#21614 Jul 19, 2014
In 2005 Kevin (Kdogg) told me that Det. Garry Gray had a priority list on his wall of top 10 suspects.
Kevin told me Punky was the third suspect and I was fifth. I was the top living suspect that was not in prison. Gray and Anger pounded me with questions as if I was a suspect instead of an informant. Maybe
that was a way for the task force to get me in front of the G.J. They canít get funds to investigate dead people. That may at least partially explain the grant that What What mentioned.
Ursula

Roseville, MI

#21615 Jul 19, 2014
Except, Les, as far as anyone knows, after that search was executed, the Task Force didn't do much else that focused on Punky or you.
Les

Warren, MI

#21616 Jul 19, 2014
Ursula wrote:
Except, Les, as far as anyone knows, after that search was executed, the Task Force didn't do much else that focused on Punky or you.
What do you think I was subpeaned to testify about? My french toast recipe?
Reasoning

Sterling Heights, MI

#21617 Jul 20, 2014
Les wrote:
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What do you think I was subpeaned to testify about? My french toast recipe?
Actually, I thought it had a lot more to do with your Chinese Egg Roll Recipe.
Les

Warren, MI

#21618 Jul 20, 2014
Kevin convinced a detective with the Livonia PD to meet with me.
I think his name was Tim Larion. He was intrigued with my claims and told me he felt if my statements were true it would be a great help to the investigation. He was a polygraph specialist. He called Garry Gray and asked for his blessing to polygraph me. Garry Gray ordered him to not only donít polygraph but to cutoff contact with me. This prompted another phone call from Garry Gray chewing me out for going behind his back.
Les

Warren, MI

#21619 Jul 20, 2014
Reasoning wrote:
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Actually, I thought it had a lot more to do with your Chinese Egg Roll Recipe.
Another example of how useless judge marks are.
Ursula

Roseville, MI

#21621 Jul 21, 2014
Les wrote:
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What do you think I was subpeaned to testify about? My french toast recipe?
Six-plus years between the search and the GJ? Does your recipe involve the use of a ton of preservatives, cryo?
Ursula

Roseville, MI

#21622 Jul 21, 2014
Les wrote:
In 2005 Kevin (Kdogg) told me that Det. Garry Gray had a priority list on his wall of top 10 suspects.
Kevin told me Punky was the third suspect and I was fifth. I was the top living suspect that was not in prison. Gray and Anger pounded me with questions as if I was a suspect instead of an informant. Maybe
that was a way for the task force to get me in front of the G.J. They canít get funds to investigate dead people. That may at least partially explain the grant that What What mentioned.
My only take on that is that they used you. They tacked the OCCK cases onto several other solved and unsolved cases for the GJ to hear at just the right politically convenient time for Jessica Cooper. It's possible they brought you before the GJ as a possible suspect also, because you've always--intentionally--held back. So let's put it this way: they had nothing to lose by marching you in there, and at the end of the day, it means nothing....except that the exercise ended up being a dud and it fizzled.

As for the list, try not to forget that prisoners by definition aren't dead either.

If you really want to get yourself good and giddy and rush right into a really juicy megalomanic state, try finding out from your inlaws if Gray dug up the dog. If they haven't, Congratulations Live Suspect.
Les

Warren, MI

#21623 Jul 21, 2014
Ursula wrote:
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My only take on that is that they used you. They tacked the OCCK cases onto several other solved and unsolved cases for the GJ to hear at just the right politically convenient time for Jessica Cooper. It's possible they brought you before the GJ as a possible suspect also, because you've always--intentionally--held back. So let's put it this way: they had nothing to lose by marching you in there, and at the end of the day, it means nothing....except that the exercise ended up being a dud and it fizzled.
As for the list, try not to forget that prisoners by definition aren't dead either.
If you really want to get yourself good and giddy and rush right into a really juicy megalomanic state, try finding out from your inlaws if Gray dug up the dog. If they haven't, Congratulations Live Suspect.
No argument. I can only guess why they told me they believe me and it was time to shut down all the arm chair detectives. Cooper's press conference shot down Chris Busch, blue Gremlins, Physohex soap, dog hairs, and 12 gauge shot guns. She tried backtracking on the long held evidence that tied the four known victims to the same killer.
It is my belief they are satisfied that they solved he case and are now in protection mode.
Les

Warren, MI

#21624 Jul 21, 2014
The comment about Cooper joggled my memory.
It has long been told that one victim was shot with a 12 gauge shot gun. That should be the easiest thing to solve for the whole case but Cooper even wants to take that evidence away. Punky kept a 12 gauge shot gun in the trunk of his car 24/7/365. Jim took it when Punky tried to kill himself with it. Jim still has the gun. I understand it is possible to determine the actual gun if enough evidence was saved.
Ursula

Howell, MI

#21625 Jul 21, 2014
Les wrote:
That should be the easiest thing to solve for the whole case but Cooper even wants to take that evidence away.
And you still find Jessica Cooper credible when something she says or does seems to support your claims. That's simply fantastic. Trying to "read" Jessica Cooper from any vantage point, but especially the outside one, is magical thinking. Kim Jong-Il saw flowers turn toward him (as they do with the sun) whenever he was in the vicinity. The "Glorious General, Who Descended from Heaven" probably didn't realize he was walking through the garden at the same time every day with the sun squarely behind him!!! Drawing lines and inferences like that is crazy making, and is hardly convincing to anyone, so stick to the facts.
Les

Warren, MI

#21626 Jul 21, 2014
Ursula wrote:
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And you still find Jessica Cooper credible when something she says or does seems to support your claims. That's simply fantastic. Trying to "read" Jessica Cooper from any vantage point, but especially the outside one, is magical thinking. Kim Jong-Il saw flowers turn toward him (as they do with the sun) whenever he was in the vicinity. The "Glorious General, Who Descended from Heaven" probably didn't realize he was walking through the garden at the same time every day with the sun squarely behind him!!! Drawing lines and inferences like that is crazy making, and is hardly convincing to anyone, so stick to the facts.
When did I ever say Jessica Cooper supports my claims? The task force and detectives supports my claims. Jessica Cooper set out to kill everyone's claims. The correct ones and the wrong ones. She was not one of the authorities that told me to my face that they believe my testimony. Her assistants did that. A state police commander told me he believes me.

Are you directing your "stick to the facts" comment to me or everyone?
Brass Tacks

Mokena, IL

#21627 Jul 22, 2014
Les wrote:
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No argument. I can only guess why they told me they believe me and it was time to shut down all the arm chair detectives. Cooper's press conference shot down Chris Busch, blue Gremlins, Physohex soap, dog hairs, and 12 gauge shot guns. She tried backtracking on the long held evidence that tied the four known victims to the same killer.
It is my belief they are satisfied that they solved he case and are now in protection mode.
Thank Goodness for Kym Worthy and Wayne County, at least they are able to address the Dog hair and the Busch issue because they do not have to kow tow, answer to, or kiss Miss Jessica's ass.
Just sayin

New Baltimore, MI

#21628 Jul 22, 2014
Here are some of the problems I have with your story.

1. Punky had a naked picture of a young girl in his pocket while playing softball. It was hanging out and you grabbed it.

2. The soap is a claim you make with no corroborating proof.

3. The gremlin is a and paint job are claims you make with no corroborating proof.

4. Punky was at the cabin and he would not let his friends in. No corroborating proof.

5. The dog was buried but no proof it was ever dug up. So this means no corroborating proof.

6. Carried a shotgun around. Another claim with no corroborating proof.

7. You found pictures of victims. No corroborating proof.

Sorry Les, but as I have said from the start. All of your evidence it seems fall in the category of you having the knowledge and people just need to believe you. Only digging up the dog would be real circumstantial evidence. Unless this was or is done, your claims are simply claims.

If you factor in all of the other stories and claims you have made here on this site you lose a lot of credibility.
Les

Warren, MI

#21629 Jul 22, 2014
Brass Tacks wrote:
<quoted text>Thank Goodness for Kym Worthy and Wayne County, at least they are able to address the Dog hair and the Busch issue because they do not have to kow tow, answer to, or kiss Miss Jessica's ass.
I don't have a feel for Kym Worthy. I know she was a Chris Busch believer but they do work with the task force who told me they believe I am right.
Les

Warren, MI

#21630 Jul 22, 2014
Just sayin wrote:
Here are some of the problems I have with your story.
1. Punky had a naked picture of a young girl in his pocket while playing softball. It was hanging out and you grabbed it.
2. The soap is a claim you make with no corroborating proof.
3. The gremlin is a and paint job are claims you make with no corroborating proof.
4. Punky was at the cabin and he would not let his friends in. No corroborating proof.
5. The dog was buried but no proof it was ever dug up. So this means no corroborating proof.
6. Carried a shotgun around. Another claim with no corroborating proof.
7. You found pictures of victims. No corroborating proof.
Sorry Les, but as I have said from the start. All of your evidence it seems fall in the category of you having the knowledge and people just need to believe you. Only digging up the dog would be real circumstantial evidence. Unless this was or is done, your claims are simply claims.
If you factor in all of the other stories and claims you have made here on this site you lose a lot of credibility.
Would a polygraph work for you? Dozens of witnesses? Dog DNA? I can back up 95% of my claims. Be more specific on my other claims. Then I can respond to your statements.
Unfounded general attacks on me are simple and defensive on your part.
Ursula

Roseville, MI

#21631 Jul 22, 2014
Les wrote:
The comment about Cooper joggled my memory.
It has long been told that one victim was shot with a 12 gauge shot gun. That should be the easiest thing to solve for the whole case but Cooper even wants to take that evidence away. Punky kept a 12 gauge shot gun in the trunk of his car 24/7/365. Jim took it when Punky tried to kill himself with it. Jim still has the gun. I understand it is possible to determine the actual gun if enough evidence was saved.
OK, a simple question is in order here. How can you know Jim still has this particular gun and not know whether Gray seized the dead dog nor what any of the "good evidence" was that Gray claimed in the execution of that warrant?

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