The Oakland County Child Killer
Les

Warren, MI

#17385 Aug 27, 2013
To the Allen family. It's not that they don't know where to start. It is because they have already finished. After my testimony they added her to the other four and somewhat made it public. Take the date of my GJS and then read the news releases soon after.
Les

Warren, MI

#17386 Aug 27, 2013
I have absolutely no proof but I believe Jane Allen was abducted in a white Chrysler product.
Reasoning

Utica, MI

#17387 Aug 27, 2013
Les wrote:
Take the date of my GJS and then read the news releases soon after.
You don't even bother giving a date? You give no information for anyone to work with on purpose? Maybe so you can't get pinned for your lies? Are we talking June 2012 ?
Les

Warren, MI

#17388 Aug 27, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
<quoted text> You don't even bother giving a date? You give no information for anyone to work with on purpose? Maybe so you can't get pinned for your lies? Are we talking June 2012 ?
My intention was to share that info privately but I guess I can post it for you. On the 19th day of January 2012 at 2 o'clock P.M.
and from time to time and day to day thereafter.
Now do something positive with that info instead of making me wish I didn't share my info with you clowns.
Les

Warren, MI

#17389 Aug 27, 2013
Now that you have my testimony date Reasoning I am confident if you find the resulting news releases you will share in a fair and honorable fashion. What's that Lassie? I fell in a canyon and I am delirious. Go get Helen, she will throw me a rope. What's that Lassie? I have went completely insane.
Reasoning

Utica, MI

#17390 Aug 27, 2013
Les wrote:
<quoted text>
Now do something positive with that info instead of making me wish I didn't share my info with you clowns.


I am as we are talking civil here. Now someone correct me but was this the start of the Grand Jury activities as far as we know? Or did they start much earlier? Also we're talking Oakland County rather than the other Wayne County one. Right?
Reasoning

Utica, MI

#17392 Aug 27, 2013
Does anyone know if the Grand Jury has to report status to anyone? Or is this one of those large vacuums like everything else with this case? Maybe just a stage prop for Jessica Cooper's re-election?
Les

Warren, MI

#17397 Aug 27, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
<quoted text>
I am as we are talking civil here. Now someone correct me but was this the start of the Grand Jury activities as far as we know? Or did they start much earlier? Also we're talking Oakland County rather than the other Wayne County one. Right?
OC No one publicly knows which date they first addressed the OCCK. Other cases are addressed from day to day.
Les

Warren, MI

#17399 Aug 27, 2013
Helen is inadvertantly substanciating things I have posted. She seems to post things in the hopes that people will latch onto something that may help her win her political battle. She also has short term memory loss because she has denied communicating with that scoundrel. Kevin tells me enough that I have never felt betrayed.
TruthDude

United States

#17401 Aug 27, 2013
Helen Dagner wrote:
Lilly said-That you all continue to court him beg him for information (a thing of value which he does not have), is what he craves. His life is empty and useless. His own family runs from him. You waste you time attention and breath. He will not heed your words or your warnings. He will not answer your questions with anything other than lies and semantics. Others' pain is of no interested to this child molesting monster ego driven lazy dirty delusional crime groupie. He is interested in his mental masturbation and having you all chase him so he feels important. No one with a brain believes anything he says - no one. He knows it too. Please Patrick don't waste anymore of your time. He has nothing. If he did and was a man he would have given it long ago.***** Thanks Lilly yep he certainly isn't a Man,by anyone's standards!!!!
Thank You Lilly and Helen,

Please know that it was not that I believe Les has anything to actually offer in this case itself, but rather that he was escalating in his fantasy beyond this forum and wishing to meet with the King's personally. His prior civil commitment to the funny farm by his first wife tells me he was regarded as unstable then, and probably now. I wrote in concern for my friends having to endure his presence at all, beyond anything he may wish for them to read. I have every confidence that anything he would send them to read would be determined to be that antics of a nut, which no doubt they have seen before; conjecture not underwritten by proof. I felt if I were going to act out personally against this guy that he should be given fair warning, even if he would have a hard time, or simply can't, process that.

I do not know how many different people took the stand to bring forward evidence which the OCP presented; it does become clear though that Les's presence in that process was a contamination in it vs. a clarifying contribution; and that perhaps perjury charges should be looked at. It was told to me by the WCP Dep. D.A. Mr. Moran that perjury in Michigan in a murder case, whether or not anyone is ever convicted, on it's own carries a life sentence. If Les did that, perhaps this is what he deserves for this his polluting animated presence to that GJ, beyond what we have all endured here in what he has eroded to. He truly could be the subject of some Psychology student's PhD thesis.
Les the Fibber

Warren, MI

#17407 Aug 27, 2013
Helen Dagner wrote:
<quoted text>Now tell us about the two polygraphs you emailed me that you took-during at that time your 8 meetings with the Task Force
The meetings were an understatement. The statements about polygraphs were sent to you in private and they were said to toy with you. A big fat lie. But it never matters what people say to you. Nothing productive ever comes of it.
Reasoning

Utica, MI

#17409 Aug 27, 2013
Helen Dagner wrote:
Since 2005 up to recently-Les believes every news paper artical printed is a direct result of Info he gave police and that is the polices way of telling them -we get it-lol
This seems to be the pattern in recent times as well. I recall that when the Grand Jury news made a statement that a possible OCCK suspect was still alive, Les automatically assumed it was him. We all thought WHAT?. As we all thought it may be possibly John. This was when Les became the #1 suspect all of sudden if I recall correctly. So when does one give up on this craziness? I thought the Bob Marley head was much more unreachable but maybe not. Someone should write a thesis on how this OCCK crime from 36 years ago has drawn so many loonies through the years. Is it because we're talking about a real boogey man that it draws people that fantasize? What explains all the wrong information published through the years? Were that many comflicting LE reports? That is where the lawsuits should have kicked in. All the conflicting information on this case. Has there ever been a crime that had so many suspects as this? It makes Michigan look like a circus of freaks from the outside world. Not one of these suspects was ever conficted and here we are all these years later still chasing Gremlins buried not even sure if they are involved.
Reasoning

Utica, MI

#17410 Aug 27, 2013
... And then the Grand Jury wraps up and all of a sudden an Arch Sloan is presentented out of nowhere with a car that had matching hair to the victims. We find out this information is from some 15 years earlier. Jessica gets re-elected and we never hear another thing about it. It seems there is more mystery behind this investigation than the suspects themselves. When it comes down to it, this whole thing is crazy and doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense.
Les

Warren, MI

#17411 Aug 28, 2013
Psst. Hey. Come closer. I want to whisper a secret. "HELEN IS A SKANK".
mbk

San Antonio, TX

#17412 Aug 28, 2013
There were films and pictures found by the police, documented in both the press and by law enforcement (via FOIA request by the King family). A briefcase with several reels of 8mm film of child pornography, along with pictures of child porn, and several pairs of little girl's panties, were found in possession of Chris Busch. The whereabouts of this evidence is unknown; cops say it was destroyed per evidence retention policies, or destroyed by a flood 2 decades ago.
Reasoning

Utica, MI

#17413 Aug 28, 2013
mbk wrote:
cops say it was destroyed per evidence retention policies


Just hearsay from the cops? Wouldn't there be some type of documented trace these items were destroyed? How does evidence retention policies work? I wonder if Patterson is behind this as well?
Les

Warren, MI

#17414 Aug 28, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
<quoted text>
Just hearsay from the cops? Wouldn't there be some type of documented trace these items were destroyed? How does evidence retention policies work? I wonder if Patterson is behind this as well?
Father Tim was found with child pornography and other physical evidence. It was all destroyed by the Utica police because of police policy. This happened after the OCCK era.
Les

Warren, MI

#17415 Aug 28, 2013
This morning a friend borrowed my van to drive someone else to work. He was to be gone 15 minutes but he was gone an hour. I asked him why and he took it upon himself to run a much bigger errand. I chewed him out and told him I would deal with him later. He chose to get in my face with his fists cocked. I said "you just stepped over the line". He said "I am not stupid enough to hit you". As he was walking away his parting words were "you fat f*cker, I know that you are the Oakland County Child Killer".
Les

Warren, MI

#17416 Aug 28, 2013
I usually get good marks for calling Helen a skank. I am losing my touch.
Reasoning

Utica, MI

#17417 Aug 28, 2013
Les wrote:
<quoted text>
Father Tim was found with child pornography and other physical evidence.
For the sake of discussion it's a well known fact that Chrisopher Busch was busted. There were newspaper clippings as MBK has pointed out. In fact the very newspaper clipping from Flint dated from 1977 was shown on Helen's WEBSITE before this all made the OCCK news. In fact the reels of film was stated in the article. Now can I ask if you even have anything to back up your claims on Father Tim? Or is this some type of hearsay only from you. In other words do you have an old newspaper article to back this up? Maybe if you had a WEBSITE you could show it to establish some type of credibility to your story. Was Father Tim ever busted or was this just imagination of yours?

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