The Oakland County Child Killer
Reasoning

Sterling Heights, MI

#15061 Jun 26, 2013
It sounds like Dan has his book completely done and ready for publishing. He stated something about taking a polygraph test also. I think Les better make a move soon and quit bluffing. Maybe the polygraph scores can be put right on the pre-order form for these books if done soon!(Just in case it doesn't make world wide news at the time) Les can you let people here know who to contact for the pre-orders?
Les

Warren, MI

#15062 Jun 26, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
It sounds like Dan has his book completely done and ready for publishing. He stated something about taking a polygraph test also.
This tactic of putting me on Dan's intelligence level is not going to last forever. I will break this barrier that you helped create.
Have fun while you can.
Reasoning

Sterling Heights, MI

#15063 Jun 26, 2013
Les wrote:
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This tactic of putting me on Dan's intelligence level is not going to last forever. I will break this barrier that you helped create.
Have fun while you can.
Tactic? You both made your home here with no web sites. You both came from Kdogg camp. You both have stories that will completely solve the OCCK by promise. You both seem to have ALL the answers. You both have a book coming out and you both demand polygraphs. To top it you both have a suspect called Gary.

The above details was presented by you two and have completely saturated the discussions on this site for many years now. Where have I changed anything or provided any type of tactic? Many readers have tied you and Dan together. What else can a reader conclude?

Since: Aug 12

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#15064 Jun 26, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
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It's funny because she would change her name on here but her writing style would not change. She became famous once she was on the news.
I went back and read some of her old posts and I think she's currently posting under yet a different name. Would you care to guess which one?
Reasoning

Sterling Heights, MI

#15065 Jun 26, 2013
Ursula- wrote:
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I went back and read some of her old posts and I think she's currently posting under yet a different name. Would you care to guess which one?
I hate to go through the pain of looking back. It's always very depressing what little is covered on the OCCK or the victims in this forum. It's always Les making statements like his story is going to break the news right around the corner but of course it never does. If my memory serves me right the name was something like Interested In Royal Oak and it was from roughly about a year ago. Previous to that she used names like Flip Over & Cody.

Since: Aug 12

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#15066 Jun 26, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
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I hate to go through the pain of looking back. It's always very depressing what little is covered on the OCCK or the victims in this forum. It's always Les making statements like his story is going to break the news right around the corner but of course it never does. If my memory serves me right the name was something like Interested In Royal Oak and it was from roughly about a year ago. Previous to that she used names like Flip Over & Cody.
But do you know who she is NOW...
Reasoning

Sterling Heights, MI

#15067 Jun 26, 2013
Ursula- wrote:
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But do you know who she is NOW...
No, if she is currently posting then I believe she changed her writing style.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#15068 Jun 26, 2013
@ Dopey
No luck so far on yearbooks. I can get this book, but I don't know whether it has photos. It says it has 17 pages of plates/illustrations, so does that mean there there is? Let me know if you want me to go ahead and borrow it.

Title | Before Stonewall : activists for gay and lesbian rights in historical context / Vern L. Bullough, editor ; Judith M. Saunders, Sharon Valente, associate editors ; C. Todd White, assistant editor.
Published | New York : Harrington Park Press, c2002.
Description | xvi, 424 p.,[17] p. of plates : ill. ; 23 cm.
Series | Haworth gay & lesbian studies
Bibliography | Includes bibliographical references and index.
Contents | Alfred C. Kinsey / C.A. Tripp -- Henry Gerber : grandfather of the American gay movement / Jim Kepner, Stephen O. Murray -- Edward Irenaeus Prime-Stevenson (Xavier Mayne)/ John Lauritsen -- Prescott Townsend : bohemian blueblood-a different kind of pioneer / Charles Shively -- Jeannette Howard Foster / Virginia Elwood-Akers -- Pearl M. Hart / Karen C. Sendziak -- Lisa Ben / Florine Fleischman with Susan Bullough -- Berry Berryman / Vern L. Bullough -- Harry Hay / Vern L. Bullough -- Dale Jennings : ONE's outspoken advocate / C. Todd White -- W. Dorr Legg / Wayne R. Dynes -- Don Slater / Joseph Hansen -- Jim Schneider : ONE's guardian angel / C. Todd White -- William Edward (Billy) Glover / Vern L. Bullough -- Jim Kepner / Lewis Gannett, William A. Percy III -- Stella Rush a.k.a. Sten Russell / Judith M. Saunders -- Helen Sandoz a.k.a. Helen Sanders a.k.a. Ben Cat / Stella Rush -- Herb Selwyn / Vern L. Bullough -- Hal Call : Mr. Mattachine / James T. Sears -- Del Martin / Phyllis Lyon -- Phyllis Lyon / Del Martin -- Billye Talmadge : some kind of courage / William Fennie -- Cleo Glenn (Bonner)/ Phyllis Lyon, Del Martin -- Pat Walker / Del Martin, with assistance from Leslie Warren -- Bob Basker : selling the movement / James T. Sears -- Shirley Willer / Del Martin, Phyllis Lyon -- Franklin E. Kameny / David K. Johnson -- Jack Nichols : the blue fairy of the gay movement / James T. Sears -- Lige Clarke / Jack Nichols -- Barbara Gittings : independent spirit / Kay Tobin Lahusen -- Barbara Grier : climbing the ladder / Victoria A. Brownworth -- Stephen Donaldson (Robert A. Martin)/ Wayne R. Dynes -- Randolfe Wicker / Jack Nichols -- Arthur Cyrus Warner / John Lauritsen -- Richard Inman / Jesse G. Monteagudo -- Allen Ginsberg : on his own terms / Gwen Brewer -- Walter H. Breen (J.Z. Eglinton)/ Donald Mader -- Warren Johansson / William A. Percy III -- Donald Webster Cory / Stephen O. Murray -- Evelyn Gentry Hooker / Sharon Valente -- George Weinberg / Jack Nichols -- Vern L. Bullough : making the pen mightier than the sword / John P. De Cecco -- Christine Jorgensen / Vern L. Bullough -- Virginia Prince / Vern L. Bullough -- Josť Sarria / Vern L. Bullough -- Charlotte Coleman / Roberta Bobba -- Reed Erickson : how one transsexed man supported ONE / Holly Devor -- Troy Perry / Lee Arnold -- Morris Kight : community activist / Felice Picano.

Since: Aug 12

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#15069 Jun 26, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
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No, if she is currently posting then I believe she changed her writing style.
Somewhat. But the punctuation hasn't changed. There is distinct consistency in writing this this . And like this !

The only thing that's changed ? Is that there is no longer the ending of just about every thought and statement with a question mark ?
Les

Warren, MI

#15070 Jun 26, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
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Tactic? You both made your home here with no web sites. You both came from Kdogg camp. You both have stories that will completely solve the OCCK by promise. You both seem to have ALL the answers. You both have a book coming out and you both demand polygraphs. To top it you both have a suspect called Gary.
The above details was presented by you two and have completely saturated the discussions on this site for many years now. Where have I changed anything or provided any type of tactic? Many readers have tied you and Dan together. What else can a reader conclude?
I got a piece of paper that says I am being taken way way way more seriously than any of you. You know, your all Dead Wrong but I call you all a bunch of disgusting liars who would destroy people's lives to feed your own egos.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#15071 Jun 26, 2013
@ Dopey

Uh, just wondering....once you find these people, Mader, Shelden, Grossman, etc., what are you planning to do to them?

And I just realized that the library the above-referenced book is at is in or near Jackson, Michigan. It may be faster for your friend in Jackson, just-thinking, to pick it up there than for me to order it through the inter-loan library program. Just a thought....

Since: Aug 12

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#15072 Jun 26, 2013
Les wrote:
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I got a piece of paper that says I am being taken way way way more seriously than any of you. You know, your all Dead Wrong but I call you all a bunch of disgusting liars who would destroy people's lives to feed your own egos.
I'll bite. What's the paper?

Since: Mar 07

Detroit, MI

#15073 Jun 26, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
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I hate to go through the pain of looking back. It's always very depressing what little is covered on the OCCK or the victims in this forum. It's always Les making statements like his story is going to break the news right around the corner but of course it never does. If my memory serves me right the name was something like Interested In Royal Oak and it was from roughly about a year ago. Previous to that she used names like Flip Over & Cody.
Now she`s STC.
Les

Warren, MI

#15074 Jun 26, 2013
Ursula- wrote:
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I'll bite. What's the paper?
We don't seem to be on speaking terms.
If you don't want to work with me then at least stop working against me. I don't do mind games.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#15075 Jun 26, 2013
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>Now she`s STC.
Bingo ! I don ' t what anyone says , Dan , you ' re a smart one .
STC

Bloomfield Hills, MI

#15076 Jun 26, 2013
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>Now she`s STC.
Not true ....
STC

Bloomfield Hills, MI

#15077 Jun 26, 2013
Ursula- wrote:
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Bingo ! I don ' t what anyone says , Dan , you ' re a smart one .
Dan is smart ? In Dan's 60+ years of tortured existence , Im sure that is the first time he has heard those words

Since: Aug 12

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#15078 Jun 26, 2013
Les wrote:
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I got a piece of paper that says I am being taken way way way more seriously than any of you. You know, your all Dead Wrong but I call you all a bunch of disgusting liars who would destroy people's lives to feed your own egos.
The title of your book, "Dead Wrong : What I had to go through (and put everyone else through) to answer - finally - the question of the Oakland County Child Killer."

"....Unbelievable... "
- The New York Times

"....Laughable..."
- The Onion

"....Gripping..."
- Stephen King

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#15079 Jun 26, 2013
STC wrote:
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Not true ....
Mhm.
just-thinking

Jackson, MI

#15080 Jun 26, 2013
Ursula- wrote:
@ Dopey
Uh, just wondering....once you find these people, Mader, Shelden, Grossman, etc., what are you planning to do to them?
And I just realized that the library the above-referenced book is at is in or near Jackson, Michigan. It may be faster for your friend in Jackson, just-thinking, to pick it up there than for me to order it through the inter-loan library program. Just a thought....
We are not aquainted. I just like the info he comes up with. Is the book at the Jackson District Library? I think you are better off ordering it inter-library. I think your question about what Dopey plans to do if he identifies these creeps is important.
I noticed in the set of pictures I saw from the Catholic Workers Farm that included Geraci there was a picture of Allen Ginsberg also at the farm from the same period. Interesting. The lady who ran it allowed many people to stay or visit and be non-productive, basically some worked and some mooched. She refers to those hippies up in the farmhouse. I wonder who was in non-productive attendance and why.
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