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#14577
Mar 18, 2013
 
ZODIAC KILLER: Pattern-Every other victim on/or day before Holiday*-Pattern sun-fri-fri-sat-sat-sun-sun-
*10-30-66 SUN.- DAY BEFORE HALLOWEEN HOLIDAY ----VICTIM bATES COLUMBUS Parkway----------
12-20-68 Friday – victims Faraday & Jenson----------
*07-04-69 Friday on 4th of July HOLIDAY--- Victims FERRIn & Mageau Blue Rock Springs GOLF COURSE---
09-27-69 SAT Shepherd & HARTnell----------
*10-11-69 SAT Victim STINE-DAY BEFORE COLUMBUS DAY HOLIDAY----------
03-22-70 SUN Escaped KAThleen JOHNS----------
*09-06-70 SUN Victim Donna lASS –DAY BEFORE LABOR DAY----------
OCCK & Mich victims OCCK & Michigan victims---OCCK & Michigan victims---OCCK & Michigan victims-
DoNNa SeRRa –Killed SUN 10-15-72 abducted 09-29-72 CLINTON township MaCOMB -kept hostage 2 weeks-then killed-killer kept dead body 5 days then dumped her
Judy FeRRo -WED12-31-75 DAY BEFORE NEW YEARS Gary Pervinkler 01-01-76 framed for feRRo murder
Mark SteBBins-abducted SUN 2-15-76 DAY AFTER VALENTINES DAY-body found 2-19-76 Kept 4 days----
*In middle Jane aLLan-abducted SUN 08-08-76 body found Miamisburg Ohio carbon monoxided
Jill ROBINson-abducted WED 12-22-76 body found 12-26-76 DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS in Troy-kept 4 days
Kristine Mihelich-abducted SUN 02-02-77- DAY AFTER NEW YEARS found 02-21-77 kept 19 days----------
Tim KING-abducted WED 03-16-77 DAY AFTER ST.PATRICK-DAY BEFORE PRESIDENTS 3-22-kept 6 days
KIM KING-abducted SUN 09-16-79 in WARREN MI-BODY NEVER FOUND
KIM LARROW-abducted mon 06-08-81 in CANTON MI.- BODY NEVER FOUND

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#14578
Mar 18, 2013
 
The Zodiac Killer operated in 1966-1970, Gary`s teens and early 20`s. Gary claims his first murder to have been Donna Serra in 1972. She was kept hostage for 2 weeks, then facing eviction, he was forced to kill her, then didn`t kill again until New years Eve 1975-New Years 1976, then he began the OCCK killings.

ZODIAC killed on the day before or day of a Holiday
OCCK killings were all abducted or dumped one day from a major Holiday all abducted on WED/SUN because those were Gary`s days off
The false Zodiac killer posted from OAKLAND California. The OCCK were all from OAKLAND county

Gary`s dad died when he was 12. Gary saw his dads clothes redressed into a suit, fingernails cleaned, hands crossed in the casket, and publicly displayed. The OCCK victims were all about 10-12. They were redressed, fingernails cleaned, hands crossed, left in public places

In the midst of the OCCK killings he killed Jane ALLEN because Zodiac was thought to be Arthur Leigh ALLEN

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#14579
Mar 18, 2013
 
Iowa victims all on WED/SUN, except Marc ALLEN abducted day before EASTER. ZODIAC`s victim was bATES. Jane ALLEN abducted 8-8-76. lARROW on the 8th, Tim and Kim King both on the 16th (8 times 2), OCCK all in December, Jan, Feb, March. APRIL Tinsely as 8 when abducted in '88. Body dumped day after EASTER in ALLEN county. OCCK abducted or dumped one day from New Years, St. Patrick`s Day, CHRISTMAS, and VALENTINES. Jonbenet Ramsey killedday after CHRISTMAS and coconspirator Helgoth murdered VALENTINE Day. Jonbenet`s body found on 20th anniversary of OCCK Jill Robinson 12-26-76b & 12-26-96 , body redressed as was OCCK, fed favorite food and strangled as was Tim King, vcr tape starring Tim ALLEN left at helgoth murder with hat matching ZODIAC note left at Jonbenet`s murder.

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#14580
Mar 18, 2013
 
Then there`s Gary`s conversations about Killing kids in 3 cities in a row in several states and Puerto Rico. Bodies are all missing as were Iowa victims, lARROW, and kim KING. First three missing in Puerto Rico form a straight line. Remaining form two more lines which intersect at same spot in Ceiba finishing lines 2 and 3. Victim on Cruise body in Puerto Rico uses already existing cities on lines and murder victim on CRUISE ship parked at dock. Body is hung next to boat EIGHT. ZODIAC killed bATES. remaining three victims in cities which intersect at Fort ALLEN. Zodiac thought to be Arthur leigh ALLEN. Then began the Smiley Face murders with over 200 victims.

ARE THE OCCK VICTIMS JUST RANDOM VICTIMS RANDOMLY DUMPED????

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#14581
Mar 18, 2013
 
Pedophiles do not grab children or dump them ONE DAY from a major holiday.

Smiley Face murders started with 7 victims amongst them Horvath/ALLEN abducted WED/SUN/Holiday.

OCCK Stebbins was missing St. CHRISTOPHER MEDAL and Kristine mihelich missing CROSS. Smiley Face victims likewise missing only religious items.

OCCK victims were held hostage for days as were some Smiley Face victims.

lARROW was a Michigan victim. The ARROW is the center of the Zodiac killer compass symbol.

Stebbins and kim king went missing at LINCOLN schools. Over 30 Smiley Face victims were related to LINCOLN including BOOTH where a smiley Face and ZODIAC symbol were both left. BOOTH shot Lincoln.

OCCK ROBINson was followed by mihelich dumped at Bruce LANE, BATMAN being BRUCE WAYNE.

smiley face victim BOOTH was dumped in RIDDLEy Creek. RIDDLE me why BATMAN???

ROBINson. Over 30 Smiley Face victims have animals names, matching birds, fish and other animals such as WOLFE and LEPPERT.

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#14582
Mar 18, 2013
 
Why are all the Smiley face victims missing or killed from 1997-2005 follow an ODD_EVEN pattern EXCEPT THOSE ABDUCTED ON WED/SUN/HOLIDAYS???

in November ALL missing on ODD days except MICHAEL Noll missing on WED. zodiac spoke of concealing his name in the notes. MICHAEL N is form of killers name

in December ALL missing on EVEN days except 3 missing on HOLIDAY New Years EVE when Judy Ferro was killed- one victim at Lizzie MCNEIL`s bar

in January victims on ODD days except victim at LACROSSE-the cross, victim CHRISThiem, AND VICTIM IMMANUEL Tharrington-
CROSS-CHRIST-IMMANUEL

in February ALL victims EVEN days including FRANKLIN gotts chalk and Patrick MCNEIL. FRANKLIN where OCCK victim dumped and once again MCNEIL

in March ALL victims ODD days except JOHN daverio on 3-16-03 JOHN 3:16 is a famous Christian scripture. Also Tim King was killed march 16 or 3-16. On Sunday Brendan MCNELIs is missing on ROBISON street, once again the killers name concealed and OCCK victim Jill ROBINSON.

In APRIL victim N KLINE

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#14583
Mar 18, 2013
 
So we have APRIL Tinsely strangled, redressed and molested with an object, Jonbenet Ramsey strangled, redressed and molested with an object, two OCCK victims strangled, redressed and molested anally, possibly with an object.

We have what some see as a satanic message in MIHELICH KING or MY HELLISH KING, OCCK and Smiley Face both missing Christian Religious items, satanic LACROSSE the CROSS, CHRIST, IMMANUEL and JOHN 3:16 in Smiley face victim names. Smiley Face appear at 20 spots where victims were put in the water and drowned. Many of these Smiley Faces are satanic. Gary is a devil worshipper and worships satan.

Once again-If a pedophile grabbed the OCCK victims then why were they all abducted or dumped one day away from a major holiday?? Because the abductor thinks that he`s the 2nd ZODIAC killer.

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#14584
Mar 18, 2013
 
DETROIT wrote:
Why are all the Smiley face victims missing or killed from 1997-2005 follow an ODD_EVEN pattern EXCEPT THOSE ABDUCTED ON WED/SUN/HOLIDAYS???
in November ALL missing on ODD days except MICHAEL Noll missing on WED. zodiac spoke of concealing his name in the notes. MICHAEL N is form of killers name
in December ALL missing on EVEN days except 3 missing on HOLIDAY New Years EVE when Judy Ferro was killed- one victim at Lizzie MCNEIL`s bar
in January victims on ODD days except victim at LACROSSE-the cross, victim CHRISThiem, AND VICTIM IMMANUEL Tharrington-
CROSS-CHRIST-IMMANUEL
in February ALL victims EVEN days including FRANKLIN gotts chalk and Patrick MCNEIL. FRANKLIN where OCCK victim dumped and once again MCNEIL
in March ALL victims ODD days except JOHN daverio on 3-16-03 JOHN 3:16 is a famous Christian scripture. Also Tim King was killed march 16 or 3-16. On Sunday Brendan MCNELIs is missing on ROBISON street, once again the killers name concealed and OCCK victim Jill ROBINSON.
In APRIL victim N KLINE
Typo M KLINE

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#14585
Mar 18, 2013
 
STC wrote:
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Hey was that a dig at Dan ? I find his theories very plausible and reasonable .
Now see what you started. You also have to consider that I`m not the only one who named gary as the OCCK. His own sister also named him. Gary owned a Pontiac which was possibly seen at an OCCK body dump, Gary borrowed my Pontiac also possibly seen and borrowed Sloan`s PONTIAC where hairs were found which mitochondrially matched hairs left on an OCCK victim. All PONTIAC`s. gary borrowed my brothers 12 gauge. Jill was shot. Then there`s the 3 cities in a row where kids went missing in Puerto Rico. How did he know this if he didn`t do it? It`s not visible until you post the cities on a map and no such maps existed until he told me and I made a map and see what he says to be true. Gary is either a serial killer or the best psychic known to man.

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#14586
Mar 18, 2013
 
The there`s the strange case that I call a WILDE story. Gary claimed to be able to be gone from work for up to 3 days any time that he wanted and claimed to hunt kids in certain states along routes he drove like crazy.(He lost his license once doing 100mph in PA). Driving like crazy he got in an accident with some girl named WILDE whom he returned and murdered. He then got paranoid and changed his kill routes. I made a chart of states and have in WED/SUN/Holiday child abductions of 50%, 71%, 50%, AND 61% WHICH ALL END AT THE SAME TIME AND MISSING CHILDREN PATTERNS BEGIN IN OTHER STATES EXACTLY AT THE SAME TIME of 63%, 65%, 50%, 50% of children missing WED/SUN/Holiday

The girls name he got in the accident with is named WILDE. Found at Smiley Face murders is a poem by Oscar WILDE about CHRISTIANs how they are lesser and need to be eradicated.
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Mar 19, 2013
 

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Wow Pill Fickelson . Guess Dan is trying to make you look sane . Dan get some mental help.

Btw . The guy that was dumped in the garbage can at your work , what was his name ??

Also Dan . Lets prove your theory right or wrong.
Ill meet you at any location you like. I will provide you with 15 hairs off my head , or pubic if Gary prefers it .. If I get a call from the po po we will know your gary story is true . It should all be cleared up by the end of the year , as we all know , gary kills about once or twice a month .

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#14590
Mar 19, 2013
 
Helen, exactly what about a suicide (Busch's) needs to be solved? And why would you think solving the cases hinges on solving McKinney's murder?
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<quoted text> Les I really do not want to bother with you,so please let this be the last post you make to me-now to answer your questions-I still believe that John is the Oakland County Child Killer-I have been given No reason to believe other wise-You do not understand the written word-I have always maintained that Chris Bush is not a killer-and for the same reason that your Brother in Law and your self are not the Occk -because I spent years investigating all of you guys-and there is absolutely nothing there that points in any of your direction-I support the Kings in the fact..that Chris Bush and his death-need to be investigated-I mean really investigated-not this one investigator calls another BS-also because I understand why they believe he is -because of reports that they have read-and statements from investigators-BUT-I know how reports are written and I know how investigators make people believe they know for sure-when in fact-they don't-and in case you didn't know this-a police report can not be changed-even if you have the proof-that what is written is not true-The Occk case will not be solved until Busch' death and McKinney' deaths are solved and no one is willing to do that-this newly discovered DNA-is a joke -this will not solve these cases either-It is just suppose to be an AMEN to it all-You know there will never be justice for these kids-now back to Busch-The very fact that John could remember Busch' suicide date and that his father also mention the Busch family in and interview I had with him and yet Johns Sibs denied knowing him-ever-that raises a lot of question for me-the drawing in Busch room-with the same faces of a drawing in Johns room of four children hanging out a window???and of course there is much more-and I will be posting it after the 22 when Tim's memorial is done being posted-now with all of this said-I want to add that at this moment NO LE know who the OCCK is for sure-Now don't let that give you hope Les-as this doesn't even list you or your brother in law as a possibility-There are other suspect who have never even been talked to,that have just as much compelling evidence against them-

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#14591
Mar 19, 2013
 
Ha. But don't you kind of have to have a record or be in the system somehow for the hair/DNA thing to work?
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Wow Pill Fickelson . Guess Dan is trying to make you look sane . Dan get some mental help.
Btw . The guy that was dumped in the garbage can at your work , what was his name ??
Also Dan . Lets prove your theory right or wrong.
Ill meet you at any location you like. I will provide you with 15 hairs off my head , or pubic if Gary prefers it .. If I get a call from the po po we will know your gary story is true . It should all be cleared up by the end of the year , as we all know , gary kills about once or twice a month .

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#14592
Mar 19, 2013
 
Helen, can you message me on this thing here, Topix, as I have a question about the case I would like to ask you, whenever you have time please.

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#14595
Mar 20, 2013
 
No, it is not something directly related that would have been investigated back then. I've searched high and low on videos, internet and no one has even touched on it. It may tie in with Harold Clayton Anderson and another player involved with his drama. Thanks anyway - I understand and so will go to a more direct source.
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<quoted text> No,I wouldn't be able to message you on Topix -as I would have to join...and that is never going to happen!!! I really do not answer questions any more about the cases-we have the videos up and that pretty much covers it all and then we have hundreds of thousands of posts on the Internet,that takes care of the rest....Sorry
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Mar 20, 2013
 

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Les the Master of Honesty wrote:
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I will give a heads up when I find out the air date.
MAY 15 (2 week cushion). Almost down to 7 weeks now and still counting. Maybe on your 20th time of claiming something just around the corner that your readers will lose some faith in your word. Like any other time you will just dissapear for a short while until they forget about it and come back. What's your strategy this time?
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Reasoning wrote:
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MAY 15 (2 week cushion). Almost down to 7 weeks now and still counting. Maybe on your 20th time of claiming something just around the corner that your readers will lose some faith in your word. Like any other time you will just dissapear for a short while until they forget about it and come back. What's your strategy this time?
I am not positive why LE has not went public with what they have learned. They are several reasons I can guess. This is circumventing LE and going public with the results of a private investigation. To put it simply, I have lied about nothing and I have held back on several facts. This will all be covered by professionals. If I had my way a probabilities expert would be employed but it is not my call.

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#14599
Mar 20, 2013
 
Missing in Ypsilanti Michigan 2-3-13 Matt BUSCHE

MISSING KIDS

GREEN
lARROW
dayLANTURNer

GREEN ARROW
GREEN LANTURN
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Mar 21, 2013
 

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Les the Master of Masters wrote:
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I am not positive why LE has not went public with what they have learned. They are several reasons I can guess. This is circumventing LE and going public with the results of a private investigation. To put it simply, I have lied about nothing and I have held back on several facts. This will all be covered by professionals. If I had my way a probabilities expert would be employed but it is not my call.
With all of your hype on here you must have something more planned than that. Will CCN be covering your polygraph live? Maybe the CNN staff will be interviewing KDOGG? Still talking by MAY 15?

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