The Oakland County Child Killer
Les Martin

Warren, MI

#13067 Oct 22, 2012
Reasoning wrote:
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Boy Les. Imagine finally zeroing in on the Dog type connection that they have been searching for over 35 years. And here you have it handed over to them. Raised eyebrows and the works just to completely drop it because the Grand Jury can't look into dead guys. After everything else I've read, I guess I'm just about ready to believe anything.
I am sure you heard Jessica Cooper with your own ears. She said in a news conference "We are not a historical society, we will not investigate a dead man". "That just leaves good ole Les and hopefully he will die soon so we don't have to investigate him".

Since: Mar 07

Detroit, MI

#13070 Oct 22, 2012
Les Martin wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure you heard Jessica Cooper with your own ears. She said in a news conference "We are not a historical society, we will not investigate a dead man". "That just leaves good ole Les and hopefully he will die soon so we don't have to investigate him".
Les,What was your friends name that you allege was involved with Pervinkler, or that Pervinkler confided in, about the Judy Ferro murder? Was his name Carl or was that your brother in law?
David Shurter

Council Bluffs, IA

#13071 Oct 22, 2012
again- an attack Helen.

If they knew as much as you claim to do- then why has this case been dragging on the way it has?

Must be some reason for it.
Reasoning

Utica, MI

#13072 Oct 22, 2012
David Shurter wrote:
again- an attack Helen.
If they knew as much as you claim to do- then why has this case been dragging on the way it has?
Must be some reason for it.
Well David you seem to have so many answers in the short time you've looked into the OCCK angle that maybe you can explain to us some day.
Gum Shoe

Canton, MI

#13073 Oct 22, 2012
Helen Dagner wrote:
CasObs~ Your wasting your time trying to get through to David-He like Les -GumShoe and others here-well in fact there are only two of you -yourself and Reasoning-that know enough about these cases to even comment-I addressed that in the two posts that I made last night-and used your names...David knows very well why he was called-and he wasn't the only one -Ben Harbor of Atlanta Ga was also called-because that is who "BOB" stole the Info from-When David called me-to brag that he had been called-I took a lot of time to explain to him why-so for him to come back on Topix and say-or try to make it appear that they the Investigators are looking into this-because they think there is something to this Cult deal---Well nothing could be further from the truth-There is nothing to the Cult Deal-s has started to come out-and will be made very clear to everyone soon-One of the reasons I posted to you and reasoning last night-was I wanted to bring to your attention -that the three of us-would find all the new Info released to the public-very interesting- Because we knew all of this and that it could all be found on the videos-lol--but it must have just been to much info for the moderator to digest-
Helen you are amusing as nowhere on this blog site does it say Helen Danger has the paten and the authority to dictate who can and cannot blog. The bloggers all need to stay on topic here but for some reason it bothers you that educated people take an interest in the resolution of this case. Stay on your own site and blow your own horn there because you aren’t as important or an intricate part in solving this case as you’d like people to believe. This is all I am going to deviate from the topic at hand so please leave the off color comments to your own site. Enough said.
David Shurter

Council Bluffs, IA

#13075 Oct 22, 2012
Reasoning- first- wipe off your nose- it is a bit brown.

I am just saying that the angle I am presenting can't be completely dismissed because since there is still no resolution to the case- even after 30+ yrs- that something is LACKING from it- like maybe a sense of justice.

Helen says she has the answers but doesn't want to come forward due to the media that would descend- and yet she is in here almost every day expounding upon how she KNOWS who the killer is- while people like reasoning run right along with her- even though there is still NO RESOLUTION to the case.

I don't know the details- I do down here in Omaha but I don't up there. However- I do know that no one has been arrested or even detained on the case- so whatever info you all have must be lacking as well.

Interesting that withgreatrespect went away right after I was slammed with info that could basically have only come from my family (like the date of my parents divorce). I think that there are a bunch of losers in here TRYING SPECIFICALLY to mess with the issues in here- since ALL OF YOU CANT HAVE THE ANSWER.
Lest the Pest

Warren, MI

#13076 Oct 22, 2012
Helen Dagner wrote:
David-Why would I want to write a book-when my Occk Video Views,Have already reached over One Million Views...
I hear your finger has the most well exercized muscle in your body.
Lest the Pest

Warren, MI

#13077 Oct 22, 2012
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>Les,What was your friends name that you allege was involved with Pervinkler, or that Pervinkler confided in, about the Judy Ferro murder? Was his name Carl or was that your brother in law?
My brother in law (currently married to Jackie's sister) was best friends with Gary Pervinkler. This was told to me in front of his mother and brother so I have to feel he would not say something in front of them that was not true. His name is Scott Merrit.
Now do you want this info for legitimate research or are you just looking for something to belittle me with? Or do I have to give you another helicopter twirl?
David Shurter

Council Bluffs, IA

#13079 Oct 22, 2012
Helen- again- you think WAY to high of yourself. That is typical of a drinker- again.

You are the one who turned on me- not the other way around- for whatever reasons you give yourself- you are still a snake.

Down here- you don't figure into ANYTHING. No one has any clue as to who you are. And down here is where I am primarily interested. Personally I could care less what MI is all about or the particulars, but I DID find it interesting that Tullock was not even interested in you.

If anyone in here thinks they know me because of the stuff I type in here- then they are delusional. Just because you have had a few phone calls from me says the same about you- even though I did get the distinct impression that you drink- although you dont like to do that and talk on the phone at the same time. However- it is safe to say that neither of us really know anything about the other.

You attack me and think that judging me makes you out to be more than what you are- but it doesn't. Attacking anyone and everyone who would disagree with you shows that you are a critical old hag, and you have your own mode of operandi with all of this in order to keep ahold of it.

No one can talk about the OCCK case without talking about you Helen- you have made your life out to be this case and to seperate you from soemthing you so lovingly embrace on a daily basis would just be downright cruel. I would never do that.
David Shurter

Council Bluffs, IA

#13081 Oct 22, 2012
What the hell are you talking about Helen- the only other person in my house is my husband and he thinks you are a total flake- so I am not sure who you think was at my house early in the morning waiting anxiously for me to call you- but I assure you- that is something your alcoholic mind made up. Why on earth would anyone down here want to talk with you- no one down here even KNOWS about the OCCK case- that is only in MI- the rest of the world doesn't even know your shit exists. Let alone any of my friends. I was the only one talking with you on the phone- there were NO OTHER PEOPLE- and why you would say this makes me even further your motives.

what we have down here is a bunch of perps who act like they are in the know and act like they are the authorities but their job is only to create disinfo. Much like you said you do- as you dont agree with me and yet you repost my stuff on other sites.

You are a snake Helen- and from the last post- a lying snake. You have more reasons than just seeking justice in here = otherwise you would have ALREADY done what you had to do to make all of this right. Instead- you just attack those who bring a different story to the table like you are some sort of authority- although no one other than those in here even know that you exist.

None of my friends have a clue as to who you are. I know that hurts- but I am sorry. You are not as infamous as you would chose to believe.

Maybe Tullock has no interest in you because they check in this room occasionally and have seen how you act towards others. you say that this site has had a million hits- but then assure everyone that no one official- such as Tullocks office- could be one of those. Like you would have any clue whatsoever.

You talk out your ass Helen- most alcoholics do- and that is probably why no one other than a few in here find you worthwhile in all of this. Your a joke- with a site that you have to be on constantly so that you can defend- not your position generally- but yourself personally.

I think that you are a joke myself.
David Shurter

Council Bluffs, IA

#13083 Oct 22, 2012
lol- you say that it a qualification in here not to have your brain wired right- and yet you are the largest poster in here.

I actually agree with you to be honest- anyone who deals with this room and thinks that it is all that doesn't have that much going on in their lives. Most in here seem like losers who have nothing better to do with their lives than play amateur investigators, and we can all see how successful you all are- since this case is 30+ yrs old now. Wow- with results like that- you all must be very proud of yourselves. Well, for most of you- that goes without saying.

What is different from me than most of you in here is that I will publically- with my name and not as an anon- will say that most of you in here seem like your losers. there doesn't seem to be a "judge this" button for that- but oh well. If anything you all have proved how ineffective you are. Sad.
David Shurter

Council Bluffs, IA

#13084 Oct 22, 2012
Helen- do you just make it up as you go? That is a total lie- who exactly WAS this person. A name. I have never had anyone call you- but then- drinking as you do- I could say that over and over and you wouldnt get it.

Funny- now you are just making up stories to try and discredit me. What did you talk about- and why did I want you to talk to this ficticious person? What info could you possible have that would make any difference down here?

Let alone up there. I mean- honestly- looking at it- you havent made on bit of difference Helen. That is probably why Tullocks office is not interested in you.

Judge away- but you are a liar Helen. Since you remember the whole ordeal so well- please- explain who it was and why it was so important that you talk to them. I would like to hear this myself- hell, Im home tonight and have nothing better to do than listen to you lie.

But the question is for me and will remain- WHY ARE YOU LYING ABOUT SOMETHING SO STUPID? Are you trying to say that I find you more than what you are? You have a nasty, smoke addled voice and you are about as unpleasent on the phone as you are in here, so please- tell me Helen- what was the conversation about? You remember the details- so I would like to hear them.

Since: Aug 11

Naperville, IL

#13085 Oct 22, 2012
David, are you Bob?

Since: Aug 11

Naperville, IL

#13086 Oct 22, 2012
I am asking as someone who has been traumatized by what has been posted here. Yeah, I can take it. Let's hear it.
David Shurter

Council Bluffs, IA

#13087 Oct 22, 2012
mybrotherskeeper- no, I am not Bob. However- if he is saying the same things I am- then I would very interested indeed to talk with him. I know that Tullock was interested in him.

Helen told me that it was a cop up in MI- that is who Bob is. She has a long, boring, paranoid story about the cops coming to visit- but then, from what I have just experienced, she seems to be able to make it up at will.
Reasoning

Sterling Heights, MI

#13088 Oct 22, 2012
David Shurter wrote:
Maybe Tullock has no interest in you because they check in this room occasionally and have seen how you act towards others. you say that this site has had a million hits- but then assure everyone that no one official- such as Tullocks office- could be one of those. Like you would have any clue whatsoever.
Tollock, Tollock. Tollock. David sure likes to use his name a lot on here! Almost every post now. Would someone please let this person know that David has taken the liberty of using him for a reference on here. Quite frankly I don't believe this officer even comes here to know. I hate to give David any ideas but if he would send a free book to the entire roster of OCCK investigators, past and present, he could probably use all the names as references. That alone would really seal up the OCCK involvement to his case. Sensationalism at it's best here. Then to throw Romney in the mix, even suggesting that he was involved with the cover up of the OCCK really takes the cake. Do you folks honestly believe this? It will definitely sell books folks.
David Shurter

Council Bluffs, IA

#13089 Oct 22, 2012
Reasoning- I use Tullocks name because it was the Task force's office that called me. I have no idea who this was until Helen told me. But correct me if I am wrong- this person is MUCH MORE CONNECTED than any of us to this- and so using him as a reference puts him on the spot- which I already informed the office I was going to do. I am not in this to sell books- nor make friends- but rather have it investigated. Reasoning- you live in Michigan- call him yourself instead of asking others to do it. But since the man on the phone told me that they know about this site and they monitor it- I use Tullock's name with the assumption that their office is going to read all of what we are saying anyway. You all can say until your blue in the face they dont come in here- but since I was told that they look at this site and KNEW of people that they specifically asked me about- I think I am going to go by what I was told by the REAL investigators of this rather than a bunch of people who THINK they know.
Reasoning

Sterling Heights, MI

#13090 Oct 22, 2012
David, I don't believe for one minute that anyone from the Oakland County Prosecutors Office is going to grant you to use their name for a reference. Especially for something as far out in left field as you propose.(Romney involvement) I think you are the one that does the drinking!
David Shurter

Council Bluffs, IA

#13091 Oct 22, 2012
But since you are so worried that I am doing something behind people's back- why don't I help with that. I will begin to publish stuff off of here and publish it on my site. I get about 100-150 hits from all over the world a day on my site- who knows- it might even generate interest in this site.

http://www.davidshurter.com

NOW THAT IS SPAM.

And I am not nuts- Im an asshole. There is a distinct difference- I assure you. Better yet- let me show you.
David Shurter

Council Bluffs, IA

#13092 Oct 22, 2012
Reasoning- they didn't grant me anything. They gave me a name and an address and asked for a signed affidavit. I am using Tullock's name with liberty because I know they come in here- which is how they found me. Whatever you may or not believe doesn't change the facts of the matter.

Romney is a connection I made knowing that his powerful family orginated from Michigan and you can't tell me that there are those who are quite powerful who have a lot of secrets. Stuff here in Omaha lead right up to Bush Sr. and the Whitehouse so it isn't that big of a leap to think that Romney and his family could be involved in nefarious dealings in the state in which they became powerful. That is just not how it is done. I know that they also check out my site- so I am sure that they are aware of my questions regarding that- but then- I am sure that all of you will say that is ALSO impossible- although it was on my site that they found my phone number.

Again- I am not lying about anything. I have been very forthright- and I don't drink. My mother drank herself to death- that is why it was pretty easy to identify it in Helen- as I grew up with such behavior- and talking with her on the phone- well- only the two of us know what was said- although she will obviously just make stupid crap up for whatever reason. It is sad- and makes me wonder if she isnt some sort of gatekeeper with all of this. But if they know about me on this site- that means they probably know about all of you as well.

But Ill make sure I put stuff on my site to garner more attention for your cause.

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