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Les Martin

Warren, MI

#12775 Aug 20, 2012
Wate of time wrote:
Les, your 57 .. your the age of the molester not of the children harmed.
Is that supposed to contradict any of my claims?
What is your point?
Rodeo Joe

Warren, MI

#12776 Aug 20, 2012
Wate of time wrote:
I still think the OCCM/OCCK was created on a computer in a small room of a house.. perhaps one filled with boys...
Some pills make you taller, some make you small, and some don't do anything. But once you see those ten foot tall rabbits pull out the oozie and kill them all.
Ursula

Milford, MI

#12777 Aug 20, 2012
I will look at that about DiBernardo. I did quickly dismiss the idea of involvement, mainly because I've haven't run across the names of any known mobsters even on the periphery of the investigaton. I'll have to think on that more - how any possible associations might have worked.

Please see my post in response to Just Thinking for more about the flow chart of Richards and 'Nels'.
withgreatrespect wrote:
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Check out the info about DiBernardo, on Bitter Queen's blog.
There have been alliances between mobsters of Italian & Jewish heritage for many decades, you must know this -?
Can you place "Nels" in a context, for me please?
Tell me more about this chart you've talked about. Richards or Hamer's chart? Is there a link to it?
Ursula

Milford, MI

#12778 Aug 20, 2012
Les, no one would pass it up if it would solve all of this. Unfortunately, we can't give you a poly and those that can won't. It seems like a poly is the proof you're counting on, if I am right, and I'm thinking maybe LE feels they would need more than that.
Les Martin wrote:
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Of course everyone that reads this post expects me to comment. You are right, the attacks are designed to create chaos. To instill fear in anyone that dare try to help my message see the light of day. Don’t let these people know who you are because before long they will be posting that you harmed your own children. Those first hand experiences you are referring to are not just first hand experiences, they tell the story about the OCCK. To the depths of the core of my soul, I am being straight about the whole ordeal. The proof is all here for the taking but we have to put this whole thing to bed before any more witnesses pass on. Once I die the truth is buried forever. Maybe I should write a book like OJ did called “If I really knew that the OCCK didn’t pull the trigger but I know who did.”
Answer one question. How can anyone in their right mind pass up my offer to solve this case in one day or get me out of everyone’s hair forever? One correctly aimed question on a poly graph will solve this case but 100 questions would put 100 nails in the coffin of those that have fought so hard to keep my story from making the headlines.
Les Martin

Warren, MI

#12779 Aug 20, 2012
Ursula wrote:
Les, no one would pass it up if it would solve all of this. Unfortunately, we can't give you a poly and those that can won't. It seems like a poly is the proof you're counting on, if I am right, and I'm thinking maybe LE feels they would need more than that.
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You need to understand LE knows 93 to 95% of what happened.
They can place 5 victims in the cabin. They know who burned the cabin down to cover up the crimes. Not just the children's deaths were being covered up. A wealth of evidence was destroyed. There is evidence that was found in the trailer and I am just guessing based on a news release by Gray but evidence was found by Gray and Anger in my mother in law's house and garage attic and evidence found in the trash discarded by Punky's older brother.

What they don't know is that three people participated in the death of the OCCK.
Nineteenseventys ix

United States

#12780 Aug 21, 2012
My take on this is that Gary S.(Punky) is the OCCK, or at least one of the participants. You say three people were involved in the death of the OCCK, do you mean Punky and three others or Punky and two others. Who are the others and are they still alive?
Do you have the remaining 5-7% knowledge of what happened?
email me if you don't want to answer this here.

CWW
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Les Martin

Warren, MI

#12781 Aug 21, 2012
Nineteenseventysix wrote:
My take on this is that Gary S.(Punky) is the OCCK, or at least one of the participants. You say three people were involved in the death of the OCCK, do you mean Punky and three others or Punky and two others. Who are the others and are they still alive?
Do you have the remaining 5-7% knowledge of what happened?
email me if you don't want to answer this here.
CWW
xr650l0001ataoldotcom
The evidence I found implicates Punky 100%. That does not include Donna Serra but does include Jane Allen. I guess what I meant to say is LE knows 93 to 95% of what I know.
What I don't know is to what degree Father Tim was involved.
I know for a fact that he was involved to some degree and it is public knowledge Father Tim was a certified pedophile.

Punky's best friend is a very good match to the second most popular police sketch but I have my doubts that he headed north with Punky. He also lived in the trailer. Punky is a good match to the most popular police sketch especially the bulldog neck.
As far as the three participants, I may need to keep the specifics in my hip pocket to use as a bargaining chip to get something that I want.
clearing things up

Dallas, TX

#12782 Aug 23, 2012
re: DC,

The threeway with "Bear" & the "thuggish older brother" is fiction, from his book Ugly Man: Stories. On his old blog, Dennis used to post rough drafts/sketches/things, before he switched to the current format of making each post about some topic completely unrelated to himself.

The murders were the "Freeway Murders"--look them up, the time & location fit.

Please stop maligning the character of someone you've never met.
Les Martin

Warren, MI

#12783 Aug 23, 2012
I was having lunch at a restaurant today and I over heard two middle aged couples discussing the OCCK. One woman said "I think they know who did it but for some reason they don't want to go public".
A man responded "I think they are too embarrassed to admit how badly they bungled the case".

A friend of mine told me he sees articles about the OCCK in newspapers in Southern Ohio.
TIme TIme TIme

Greenwood, IN

#12784 Aug 23, 2012
I was just a child when I was told the King boy went to the store... but never came back...Just a typical day in Oakland county...

I was just a child when told about the mental boy who chopped off his grandmothers head with a hacksaw... the head found later in the woods across the street... at first I didnt believe it but then I saw the yellow police tape... Their father was a security officer and heard about it...
Les Martin

Warren, MI

#12785 Aug 25, 2012
Yesterday I attended a church function that included a sit down round table dinner.
A woman and her husband sat across the table from me. I told her I recognized her as someone that I had a previous conversation with years ago. I could not remember where I had met her. She said “yes, you were writing a book”. I asked “do you remember the topic of the book?” She said “you know the identity of the Oakland County Child Killer”.
Then she added “I have been looking for you every since”. I asked why. She said
”after I talked to you I went to a very rich widowed woman philanthropist and told her about you.” The woman loves children and children’s causes. She said “I told the woman you sounded intelligent and that everything thing you claimed made perfect sense”. She said “I told the woman I believed in you”. She said “the woman told her to try to find me because she wanted fund me”. She gave me the woman’s address but warned me “she may have moved or she might have died”.
I asked “how about if you find her and give her my phone number?” She agreed that would be the best way to handle it.

Since: Jul 12

Monroe, MI

#12786 Aug 25, 2012
Les Martin wrote:
Yesterday I attended a church function that included a sit down round table dinner.
A woman and her husband sat across the table from me. I told her I recognized her as someone that I had a previous conversation with years ago. I could not remember where I had met her. She said “yes, you were writing a book”. I asked “do you remember the topic of the book?” She said “you know the identity of the Oakland County Child Killer”.
Then she added “I have been looking for you every since”. I asked why. She said
”after I talked to you I went to a very rich widowed woman philanthropist and told her about you.” The woman loves children and children’s causes. She said “I told the woman you sounded intelligent and that everything thing you claimed made perfect sense”. She said “I told the woman I believed in you”. She said “the woman told her to try to find me because she wanted fund me”. She gave me the woman’s address but warned me “she may have moved or she might have died”.
I asked “how about if you find her and give her my phone number?” She agreed that would be the best way to handle it.
I guess my question would be did you tell her you killed the person you claim to be the OCCK
Les Martin

Warren, MI

#12787 Aug 25, 2012
Kat822 wrote:
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I guess my question would be did you tell her you killed the person you claim to be the OCCK
No, but if I meet the woman I will tell her everything.
Killed is such a strong word. I prefer incapacitated.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#12788 Aug 25, 2012
clearing things up wrote:
re: DC,
The threeway with "Bear" & the "thuggish older brother" is fiction, from his book Ugly Man: Stories. On his old blog, Dennis used to post rough drafts/sketches/things, before he switched to the current format of making each post about some topic completely unrelated to himself.
The murders were the "Freeway Murders"--look them up, the time & location fit.
Please stop maligning the character of someone you've never met.
I'm very much aware of what Cooper has been doing, on his old blog & on his new one.

Very curious, your claim that the "Bear" story is fiction. It was part of a series Cooper posted to his old blog, about the 'loves of his life'. The photo of Bear, from that entry, certainly appears to be a real boy. If you believe it was in fact a story sketch exercise, please cite the exact page numbers in "Ugly Man" that you believe reproduce it.(There's no need to quote passages).

You are totally wrong about the "Freeway Murders", however, but it's understandable that you would make that mistake. I very much wanted to believe that Cooper was referring to one of those maniacs' victims, also.

Alas - Cooper was born in 1953, that would make him 12 years of age in 1965 - too early for Kearney, Bonin or Kraft's victims to be his 'inspiration'. Do you have some other possibility, that you'd like to propose?

You fundamentally misunderstand my intent. I'm trying to find evidence that Dennis Cooper COULD NOT have been involved in anything related to OCCK, rather than trying to find evidence that he WAS involved...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#12789 Aug 25, 2012
Please pardon the double posting :(

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#12790 Aug 25, 2012
I will quote from Wikipedia entries,(because they are so accessible), the proof that 12 year old Dennis Cooper - in 1965 - could not have read about "the Freeway Murders" at that time.

Kearney:
"Kearney claimed to have killed his first victim around 1965, a hitch-hiker he picked up and murdered in Orange, California. He claimed several more victims, mostly transients, before moving to Redondo Beach, near Los Angeles, in 1967 with a younger man named David Hill"

[Kearney's claims about his earliest victims, are unconfirmed. They are unconfirmed, because the remains of these alleged victims have never been found. Therefore, even if they did exist, these Kearney victims could not be the "boys found murdered in the hills around my (Cooper's) home"]

"Kearney committed his first confirmed murder in 1968 while living in Culver City, CA"

Bonin:
"On November 17, 1968, at age 21, Bonin committed a sexual assault on a youth. In late 1968 and early 1969, he kidnapped and assaulted four youths between the ages of 12 and 18. In 1969, he was indicted on five counts of kidnapping and four counts of sexual assault on five youths."

"The first murder for which Bonin was charged was that of a 13-year-old hitchhiker named Thomas Lundgren. The youth was kidnapped, assaulted and killed on the morning of May 28, 1979"

Kraft:
"Late in 1971, police found the decomposing body of Wayne Joseph Dukette, a 30-year-old gay bartender, beside Ortega Highway. The coroner placed the date of death around September 20, 1971, but found no obvious signs of foul play. Dukette’s clothing and belongings were never found. Dukette is thought to be Kraft's first victim."

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#12791 Aug 26, 2012
clearing things up wrote:
re: DC,
The threeway with "Bear" & the "thuggish older brother" is fiction, from his book Ugly Man: Stories. On his old blog, Dennis used to post rough drafts/sketches/things, before he switched to the current format of making each post about some topic completely unrelated to himself.
The murders were the "Freeway Murders"--look them up, the time & location fit.
Please stop maligning the character of someone you've never met.
Well, "Brian aka Bear" is indeed in the Dennis Cooper volume, "Ugly Man: Stories". You are right about that - thank you.

I may have been mistaken, in believing that the story of Bear as posted on Copper's blog was intended to be autobiographical. It has been printed as a piece of fiction, in that volume, I accept that this means it is NOT an account of a real episode from Cooper's life.

I can happily say that I was wrong, and that I no longer have reason to believe that Dennis Cooper ever has, or ever would, enact violent fantasies with a minor.

I will retract any such insinuations, and related misinformation, from my postings on this forum.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#12792 Aug 26, 2012
withgreatrespect wrote:
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When I've discussed Cooper with my friends, a similar question is often raised - is there any evidence that Dennis Cooper ever has or ever would act out violent sexual fantasies with minors? People assume the answer to that must be no, but Cooper's own words prove them wrong. The following came from an entry on his first blog effort:
"Brian (nicknamed 'Bear' because he slept a lot) and I had a torrid affair during one summer vacation I spent on Maui. I was 16, he was 15. He was a jokey, class clown type surfer kid in public, but, when alone and stoned, he was a sex maniac with the wildest imagination I'd ever encountered to that point. Nowadays there are labels for guys like him --[CENSORED]- might begin to do the trick -- but back then he was indescribable, my own private Pandora's box. It was almost non-stop sex with him, both one-on-one and with a wide array of other young locals and tourists, including several s&m-ish three-ways with his thuggish older brother".
S&Mish three-ways with HIS THUGGISH OLDER BROTHER!
And the theme of the Better Life derived porn was...
This posting of mine,#12729, incorrectly describes the story of Brian aka Bear as an autographical writing by Dennis Cooper. In truth, it is a piece of fiction by Dennis Cooper.

Therefore, it would be incorrect to believe -(and I was wrong in suggesting)- that the story documents Cooper having acted out violent sexual fantasies with a minor. It does not.
rODEO jOE

Warren, MI

#12793 Aug 26, 2012
What do some call the OCCK Task Force? Law and Odor.

Why is the skeleton only allowed at stag parties?
He has no body to go with.

What happened to the cat that ate a ball of yarn?
Her kittens were born with mittens.

Did you hear the joke about the banana peel?
Sorry the answer slipped my mind.

What they call a moose with musical talent?
A moosician.

Why do bulls make good drivers? Because they can steer.

Why is this post like an unsharpened pencil?
It has no point.
just-thinking

Jackson, MI

#12794 Aug 26, 2012
withgreatrespect wrote:
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This posting of mine,#12729, incorrectly describes the story of Brian aka Bear as an autographical writing by Dennis Cooper. In truth, it is a piece of fiction by Dennis Cooper.
Therefore, it would be incorrect to believe -(and I was wrong in suggesting)- that the story documents Cooper having acted out violent sexual fantasies with a minor. It does not.
Thanks for this example of good character and humble honesty. It is much appreciated.

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