The Oakland County Child Killer

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#12792 Aug 26, 2012
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When I've discussed Cooper with my friends, a similar question is often raised - is there any evidence that Dennis Cooper ever has or ever would act out violent sexual fantasies with minors? People assume the answer to that must be no, but Cooper's own words prove them wrong. The following came from an entry on his first blog effort:
"Brian (nicknamed 'Bear' because he slept a lot) and I had a torrid affair during one summer vacation I spent on Maui. I was 16, he was 15. He was a jokey, class clown type surfer kid in public, but, when alone and stoned, he was a sex maniac with the wildest imagination I'd ever encountered to that point. Nowadays there are labels for guys like him --[CENSORED]- might begin to do the trick -- but back then he was indescribable, my own private Pandora's box. It was almost non-stop sex with him, both one-on-one and with a wide array of other young locals and tourists, including several s&m-ish three-ways with his thuggish older brother".
S&Mish three-ways with HIS THUGGISH OLDER BROTHER!
And the theme of the Better Life derived porn was...
This posting of mine,#12729, incorrectly describes the story of Brian aka Bear as an autographical writing by Dennis Cooper. In truth, it is a piece of fiction by Dennis Cooper.

Therefore, it would be incorrect to believe -(and I was wrong in suggesting)- that the story documents Cooper having acted out violent sexual fantasies with a minor. It does not.
rODEO jOE

Warren, MI

#12793 Aug 26, 2012
What do some call the OCCK Task Force? Law and Odor.

Why is the skeleton only allowed at stag parties?
He has no body to go with.

What happened to the cat that ate a ball of yarn?
Her kittens were born with mittens.

Did you hear the joke about the banana peel?
Sorry the answer slipped my mind.

What they call a moose with musical talent?
A moosician.

Why do bulls make good drivers? Because they can steer.

Why is this post like an unsharpened pencil?
It has no point.
just-thinking

Jackson, MI

#12794 Aug 26, 2012
withgreatrespect wrote:
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This posting of mine,#12729, incorrectly describes the story of Brian aka Bear as an autographical writing by Dennis Cooper. In truth, it is a piece of fiction by Dennis Cooper.
Therefore, it would be incorrect to believe -(and I was wrong in suggesting)- that the story documents Cooper having acted out violent sexual fantasies with a minor. It does not.
Thanks for this example of good character and humble honesty. It is much appreciated.
Rodeo Joe

Warren, MI

#12795 Aug 26, 2012
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#12796 Aug 26, 2012
just-thinking wrote:
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Thanks for this example of good character and humble honesty. It is much appreciated.
You are very kind, thank you!

I am right about the "Freeway Murders" timeline not matching Cooper's timeline, though.:)
Cooper was 12, years before any of the victims of those 3 maniacs hit the news.

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#12797 Aug 27, 2012
clearing things up wrote:
re: DC,
Please stop maligning the character of someone you've never met.
That must have been a joke, right? "Punk" sensibilities have never included sensitivity...and Dennis Cooper has never shown any signs of concern that he might be maligning the character of people he's never met.

You wouldn't be reading Cooper's name, here, at all - if it were not for the disgusting, obscene, desecration of a news story about OCCK, which Cooper is publicly parading on one of his sites. I'm quite sure that he's never met any of the victim's family members, several of whom have been known to post here, and I'm certain he doesn't give two hoots about them.

I'm not able to take your professed concern seriously.

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#12798 Aug 27, 2012
I suppose, if someone claims to be a fan of Dennis Cooper, then they couldn't possibly "malign" him no matter what they say?

Like this guy:
http://en.twitter.com/reallybadwords/status/1...

Could be pretty hard to malign someone, whose FANS speak of him in such glowing terms...
Ursula

Haslett, MI

#12799 Aug 28, 2012
I agree. In addition, I would say that someone who posts anonymously is in no position to "clear things up." And as far as I'm concerned, nothing you've said clarifies whether or not his fiction is based on fact or whether or not any so-called personal facts are not fiction...except for, possibly, his age.

As far as maligning DC for his name coming up on this forum, I don't know, but I would say an unintended consequence might only be the same as his intended consequence in posting OCCK porn on his own site: boosting book sales. Unless he immediately removes it from his site, it is completely fair to include him in our discussions here for as long as we consider it productive and germane to the subject matter.
withgreatrespect wrote:
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That must have been a joke, right? "Punk" sensibilities have never included sensitivity...and Dennis Cooper has never shown any signs of concern that he might be maligning the character of people he's never met.
You wouldn't be reading Cooper's name, here, at all - if it were not for the disgusting, obscene, desecration of a news story about OCCK, which Cooper is publicly parading on one of his sites. I'm quite sure that he's never met any of the victim's family members, several of whom have been known to post here, and I'm certain he doesn't give two hoots about them.
I'm not able to take your professed concern seriously.
Ursula

Haslett, MI

#12800 Aug 28, 2012
Has anyone even been able to verify that George Miles was real and that he died in '87? I haven't.

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#12801 Aug 30, 2012
Ursula wrote:
Has anyone even been able to verify that George Miles was real and that he died in '87? I haven't.
Interesting question! I haven't, either.
I've assumed that there really was such a person in Cooper's life, simply because those claims seem too easily falsifiable.

He knows, and is known by, large numbers of persons. As a writer, he's quite obscure outside of certain circles, so I suppose it could be possible that no one he knew during his school years has followed his 'career' or read his books and subsequently commented publicly on the non-existence of a George Miles in his teen years. But, even if that were the case, his association to the well-known JT Leroy literary fraud,(as a victim, not a perpetrator, of it), would surely have brought out persons close to him who could falsify George Miles - if they existed? I dunno.

Vague statements about alleged formative events, events which supposedly shaped his obsessions or inspired his writings, might be a lot harder even for people who know him well, to falsify - being inherently highly subjective. Perhaps there were no such events, perhaps Cooper simply developed various reasonable sounding constructs for the sake of satisfying other people's expectations that there 'ought' to be some such momentous event in his early life.

The interview with Cooper which I've read most recently, doesn't repeat previous momentous event constructs. Instead, he describes more of a process or progression:

"For reasons I donít understand, I had been fascinated by the axis of sex and violence for as far back as my memories went. When I was a child, I had nightmares in which that combination of impulses was paramount, and when I hit puberty, those kinds of scenarios entered my fantasy life. I found them both extremely terrifying and very exciting in equal measure.
I was riveted by real-life crimes of that nature, both in history and in the world around me, and I would obsess over them in secret, recounting them in detail as well as trying to analyze my interest in them in diaries"

http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/6098...

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#12802 Aug 30, 2012
Ursula wrote:
Has anyone even been able to verify that George Miles was real and that he died in '87? I haven't.
In any case I will continue to look for reasons to believe, that Cooper having apparently had an obsessive interest in OCCK back in 1981, is purely coincidental and meaningingless for us. My gut feeling was right - this is NOT the right place to discuss him.

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#12803 Sep 2, 2012
withgreatrespect wrote:
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In any case I will continue to look for reasons to believe, that Cooper having apparently had an obsessive interest in OCCK back in 1981, is purely coincidental and meaningingless for us. My gut feeling was right - this is NOT the right place to discuss him.
Well good for you. I agree also, always go with your gut--so I did email the material I mentioned earlier.

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#12804 Sep 8, 2012
Ursula- wrote:
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Well good for you. I agree also, always go with your gut--so I did email the material I mentioned earlier.
I have many irons in multiple fires, just now, so it will take some time for me to digest your 'gifts':)

With regard to Dyer Grossman. I remain convinced that my "Mr X" is the same person who went by the name Dyer Grossman in the Better Life related ring but...I'm less and less certain that "Dyer Grossman" is in fact that person's proper or birth identity. I'm encountering evidence for multiple layers of deception, about this.

Direction to any documentation for "Dyer Grossman's" birth & early school history would be appreciated.
lurker

Madison Heights, MI

#12811 Sep 11, 2012
maybe this is way too simple of me, I'm sure someone has already looked into this, but a google of Dyer Grossman gives an address in NY... googling that address and you find a house up for sale...

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#12812 Sep 11, 2012
lurker wrote:
maybe this is way too simple of me, I'm sure someone has already looked into this, but a google of Dyer Grossman gives an address in NY... googling that address and you find a house up for sale...
Thank you, Lurker. I've wondered about that listing, many times...

I suspect the house is up for sale, because the New York Grossman family trust was invested in Madoff's ponzi scam, and is now worth $0.00

Was Dyer Grossman living in it? Possibly, for some of the time between 1979 and 2001. My information has him living in the New Paltz area by the mid 2000's. It's possible that, being listed as the legal owner of that building might cause it to come up as "the home of" Dyer Grossman in google searches, even if he had legally changed his name.

One of my sources informs me that a search of Columbia University's records indicates that "Mr X" was never enrolled there, despite his having publicly claimed many times that he attended that institution during the 1960's. This is a good start toward disproving "Mr X" fictitious life history, and subsequently demonstrating that "X" is in fact an alias for someone else. After that, I might be comfortable publicly accusing him of being Dyer Grossman even without active charges against him.

just-thinking

Jackson, MI

#12813 Sep 11, 2012
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Thank you, Lurker. I've wondered about that listing, many times...
I suspect the house is up for sale, because the New York Grossman family trust was invested in Madoff's ponzi scam, and is now worth $0.00
Was Dyer Grossman living in it? Possibly, for some of the time between 1979 and 2001. My information has him living in the New Paltz area by the mid 2000's. It's possible that, being listed as the legal owner of that building might cause it to come up as "the home of" Dyer Grossman in google searches, even if he had legally changed his name.
One of my sources informs me that a search of Columbia University's records indicates that "Mr X" was never enrolled there, despite his having publicly claimed many times that he attended that institution during the 1960's. This is a good start toward disproving "Mr X" fictitious life history, and subsequently demonstrating that "X" is in fact an alias for someone else. After that, I might be comfortable publicly accusing him of being Dyer Grossman even without active charges against him.
I thought it was Cornell he was said to have attended.

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#12814 Sep 12, 2012
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I thought it was Cornell he was said to have attended.
Sorry if my attempts to be discrete have muddled the picture for you :(

Yes, Dyer Grossman is alleged to have attended & graduated from Cornell. That is correct.

Sometime between 1974 and 1979, Dyer Grossman assumed another name - which I'm calling "Mr X". As Mr X, he has been claiming that he attended Columbia University during the years when he was really attending Cornell. He has concocted a fictitious life history for his alias, "Mr X", to explain where he was and what he was doing during the years for which there might be public records of where Dyer Grossman was and what Dyer Grossman was doing - i.e., from 1945 to 1975. I'm working on systematically disproving this fictitious life history.

By the way, I may have been mistaken when I asserted that Dyer Grossman never went back to teaching. It is possible that he might have played the role of a teacher, at an "Academy" in Iran sometime between 1975-1979, under the alias of Mr X.

This whole situation is greatly complicated by the fact that he returned to the US, in 1979, in the company of two other men from the same "Academy". These two other men are now Professors at American colleges, and have publicly corroborated portions of Mr X's fictional life history. There is nothing in the public record suggesting that either of these men were ever accused of pedophilic activity, but to publicly unmask Mr X as having been Dyer Grossman in the past would necessarily implicate them as well (as they have clearly told lies in support of his alias).

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Jamaal Primetime Johnson

Bloomfield Hills, MI

#12817 Sep 14, 2012
Hmmmmm.......murder case 20 years older than OCCK solved . Murderer convicted. Nice read . Check it out yalls.
http://news.yahoo.com/man-convicted-1957-murd...

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Since: Jul 12

Monroe, MI

#12818 Sep 15, 2012
Jamaal Primetime Johnson wrote:
Hmmmmm.......murder case 20 years older than OCCK solved . Murderer convicted. Nice read . Check it out yalls.
http://news.yahoo.com/man-convicted-1957-murd...
The fact this case has not been solved defies logic
Bill Johnson

Port Huron, MI

#12819 Sep 17, 2012
I was one of those boys. Now 47 I still have haunting memories of that week. We went from st Joseph school in port Huron with gym teacher Gerald Richards, and flown by private plane to the island. Wherever Richards and Sheldon are I hope they are in a lot of pain. They will burn for what they did.

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