The Oakland County Child Killer
Helen Dagner

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#1296 May 15, 2008
What the Heck would we want to tell you for??...No one I know cares if you know what is going on...and if you did know..what would you do with the info...twist it a round untill it was not recognizable....Sorry but your not in the Loop!
Helen Dagner

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#1297 May 15, 2008
Serial killer David Meierhofer passed both a polygraph test and a truth serum test in 1974. The FBI stuck with this suspect anyway, because he was so close to the profile they had developed. Remains of two of his victims were found at the suspect's house and he later confessed to 3 murders, then soon after hung himself in his jail cell. A longtime FBI criminal profiler, Robert Ressler, described in one of his books that the passing of these tests by the suspect actually fit the profile. In Whoever Fights Monsters he explained that "The public thinks these tests area good way to discern the truth, and that is so for most normal people. Psychopaths, however, are known for their ability to separate the personality who commits the crimes from their more in-control selves. Thus, when a psychopath takes these tests, the in-control self manages to avoid all knowledge of the crimes, and very often the result is that the suspect passes the tests. Meierhofer was in control at some times, and at others, horrendously out of control." page 154.=

Since: Mar 07

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#1298 May 15, 2008
Helen Dagner wrote:
What the Heck would we want to tell you for??...No one I know cares if you know what is going on...and if you did know..what would you do with the info...twist it a round untill it was not recognizable....Sorry but your not in the Loop!
Shawhan, I was asking someone else.

CWW
Helen Dagner

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#1299 May 15, 2008
You are a sick-o...Yes,My name was Shawhan 66 years ago...but I understand that you are desperate to be able to post some thing about me..well Cary Wilkie -I don't have the time to look up all your names that you use...But when you do pay a bill-you use this name most often...lol....I don't think you get it- no one wants to talk to you on line & you don't answer your phone or door to the Cops...Not even to your neighbor...so I guess you are a very lonely person..but what does that have to do with the Occk-Nothing...But I now get it-your posting any where else but on a Occk site..would never bring you a return post...You need to get a life...

Reasoning

Highland Park, MI

#1300 May 15, 2008
You might be asking someone else but I doubt you will get a truthful answer. You are a internet dip shit. All you are going to do is deny these witnesses are telling the truth like you have in the past. You will never know the facts and who cares. You are not playing with a full deck to even pass judgement on any of this to begin with. Go blow off somewhere and find a new hobby.
Reasoning

Highland Park, MI

#1301 May 15, 2008
Helen I posted the same time you did. Almost stated the same thing. LOL
Helen Dagner

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#1302 May 15, 2008
There is a man {Cww aka cary boberry }...who has been posting for many years on the Internet under an assortment of screen names-a few you will recognize-CWW-AKA Pembrook-AKA Grayfield-AKA Derby -I think he should be thoroughly Investigated-Not only in the Occk cases but in the John McKinney case...My reasons are...here we have a guy that claims to have been John McKinneys friend...yet I find no one who can support that...and I have really looked...nexts he said he worked for McKinney for about two weeks...no record can be found to clarify that either...He is totally obsessed with the Occk cases and with John McKinneys case...He takes his screen names from roads & streets in the areas of the cases....He attacks me on the Internet with most every post he makes..Nitpicking and taking out of context everything I say about the Oakland County Child Murders & John McKinney's...even though he has seen the factual documents-He will not answer emails from the Michigan Police -Nor Phone calls from the Michigan Cops...Nor messages left at his trailer from the cops...If you knock at his door...he does not answer...he peeks out of the curtains.....Online he asks a multitude of questions about these cases that the normal Oakland County resident,would not ask-he has posted in past years some info about these cases...that was never in the media...however now that I have called him down on this...he suddenly has with drawn from his Internet posting...yet he is on my site several times a day...and although this is not new...he has for years stalked me all over the Internet...what is different...is that he is not re-posting my info...now in the past two weeks I have been tracking down his life in Michigan...where he lived until 1979...and nothing he has ever posted about his life is true...I found 4 different High Schools he said he graduated from...yet the school records do not show-he even attended those schools...then he has posted his Military record as being a Marine and also as being a Viet Nam veteran who was in the army....and there is more....

Since: Mar 07

United States

#1303 May 20, 2008
ZODIAC & THE SMILEY FACE MURDERS
Zodiac`s suspected name-arthur LEIGH allen
Drowning victim- Robert LEIGH-Robert E. Lee fought Lincoln in Civil War
Drowning victim-tim LEE
Drowning victim BRIAN welzien, BRIAN gotts chalk, BRIAN shaffer, BRIAN carrick
Zodiac victim BRIAN hartNELL
Zodiac`s enemy-SiNELLi
Drowning victim-SNELL
Zodiac spoke in letter of hunting men-Snell called on cell phone being pursued by killer
Zodiac killed STINE
Drowning victim STIENkeoway fon casino video with killer same age as Gary MacNeil
Zodiac victim JOHNS
Drowned in car- JOHN Schnicke-move the n= JOHNS CHICKEN
Drowning victim-GEESEy
Drowning victim-hayDUK
Drowning victim David Dantzler WOLFE
Drowning victim greg MARTIN-martin type of bird
Drowning victim olBERDIng-long berdi
Drowning victim- a dam FALCON- Falcon bird- sports team
Drowning victim-MARLON BLUE-blue marlin fish-marlin sports team
Drowning victim-craig BURROWs-a donkey
Drowning victim Pitchfork ra ra riot drummer john PIKE -pike type of fish
Drowning victim JEFF BECK-same name primo 1970`s guitarist
Drowning victm KLINGER-Mash
Drowning victim ROWe-Roe are fish eggs-Row your boat
Drowning victim KRUZike-cruise ship
Drowning victim CARrick-car
Drowning victim WALKER-walk
Drowning victim RUNNINGen-run
Drowning victim BLATZ-beer
Drowning victim MILLER-beer
Drowning victim LANGLOIS- Supermans girlfriend Lois Lang
Drowning victim OLSEN- Supermans friend Jimmy Olsen
Drowning victim-BOOTH- BOOTH SHOT PRES.Abraham Lincoln
stienkeoway missing in HINCKLEY mn-HINCKLEY SHOT PRES Reagen
Drowning victim MICHAEL Noll
Drowning victim McNELIs
Drowning victim McNEIL
one victim had just left bar Lizzie MCNEIL`s
DETROIT`S SUSPECT named MACNEIL

Since: Mar 07

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#1307 Jun 9, 2008
Do you know which nursing homes he serviced? I know you can't answer here, but I will look for your answer at the Topic occk thread.

CO,

His religion was non-denominational, the Christian Temple Association, with national headquarters in Pontiac.
I have a newspaper article that says he was a chaplain at the Bloomfield Hills Nursing Center at 50 W. Square Lake Rd. The Observer and Eccentric Feb 19 1976. Sometimes those patients are transferred to Beaumont or St Joseph hospitals when they go critical and he would visit them there.
If you are trying to make a connection to Jeanne's reference to a "nursing home" I don't think there is any tie in there, just like someone else tried to connect him to the Common Ground on Adams in Bham, at least as far as I remember, he never told me he was visiting people in those places.
A fellow minister by name of Jim Maddox of Pontiac was also a chaplain at the same place. He's probably in mid 80's now, but if some one talked to him he might know more. I believe he is the guy who gave the eulogy at his funeral. a fire and brimstone kind of preacher. Worst funeral I ever attended.


CWW

Since: Mar 07

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#1308 Jun 19, 2008
Helen Dagner wrote:
Law suit filed today-In Oakland County Child Killer Case...
Public Announcement at 3pm today -from Troy Michigan...
Quite a while has passed since this announcement, when will it go to court? I asked the two lawyers in the case by way of separate emails but neither of them responded. Any ideas? Remember, Tim Kings father is still part of this law firm.

CWW

Elizabeth A. Favaro
Email: [email protected]

Giarmarco, Mullins & Horton, P.C.
Tenth Floor Columbia Center
101 West Big Beaver Road


and

David Binkley
Email: [email protected]

Giarmarco, Mullins & Horton, P.C.
Tenth Floor Columbia Center
101 West Big Beaver Road
Reasoning

Utica, MI

#1309 Jul 2, 2008
If Scott Lewis is such a great reporter as they claim that brought the news of the Ted OCCK ordeal and went as far as going to Ohio to interview him in the parking lot. Why doesn't he follow through on this? You would think he would be right on top of this camping at these offices you provided to demand an answer. Intead we hear nothing. If there is 'no status' such as a dead end road, it still makes a story. Why isn't there any reporters pushing for an answer? The public and especially the people that lived through this in Oakland County deserve better than this! There should be an annual press conference held over this investigation. Where are the tax dollars going on this investigation?

Since: Mar 07

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#1310 Jul 4, 2008
Un-named poster on HD's website has opinions on Scott Lewis and Ted's civil suit.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject:
Reply to Reasoning- Reporter Scott Lewis Is a low life...and still in his defence-I will say I know this story well-You get a Cop that calls you & wants to get a shaded story in the news & you go with it because it gets your name out there in the public & truth doesn't have anything to do with it...and you know there won't be any follow-up-but hey the Cop may call you again....
Ok, the Ted thing. Keep in mind that when the cops were looking at this, everyone still believed that all of the prior investigations in these cases were thorough and I think the prior work was never questioned. They were looking at these things without knowledge of any of the John details because he had been written off and everyone moved on. I am simply stating it, not agreeing with it.
1. Lawson rats out Lamborgine; they were both involved in raping and molesting boys and sex has always been seen by the cops as the motivating factor in these crimes.
2. Lamborgine puts in for a transfer soon after Tim's murder and moves to Ohio.
3. His roommate at the time ends up dead.(The thought being that he could have been a witness or had knowledge and was murdered. He was murdered, but it was never solved.)
4. They search his apartment in Ohio and the guy is a freak obsessive-compulsive--every little thing lined up, including the hangers which were all evenly spaced. So, neat freak in the extreme--remember all that shit in the newspapers about this person being obsessively clean?
5. During the interrogations he admits to everything except the OCCK crimes. He repeatedly refuses to look at the photos of the four victims. He tells police "God has forgiven" him for everything that he has done.
6. He never denies involvement in or knowledge of these crimes. To this day he has never denied involvement.
7. Then The cop who contacted this News reporter says there was the incident with a boy he held captive and raped and tried to suffocate.This was not true!
8. There were indications that he was linked into the suburbs for sex with boys.
9. His mother lied at her deposition, saying she did not attend the trial of Richard Lawson. She did and there are numerous witnesses that saw her there. The idea being, why lie about that?
10. Refuses plea deal that would give him less time at a relatively tame prison with a new identity (i.e. not a child molester) if he would tell police what he knew.
11. Also, he told the Parma Heights detectives, who befriended him for months as they worked on this case, some really weird shit.(I don't know specifics.) Then this reporter decieds to heat up his story and says - These detectives also felt Ted was involved. This is also untrue!

Since: Mar 07

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#1311 Jul 4, 2008
12. A dude in B'ham whose brother had connections with Ted was very evasive and full of shit when being interviewed by police. The brother often stayed with his bro in B'ham. He agreed to speak further with police and take a polygraph, but then got a "note" from his doctor saying his heart condition would not permit it.(Give me a break.) This case would result in people like this being able to be deposed in a civil suit.
If you look at this stuff without the benefit of knowing what we know about John, it could look compelling. It would have been misfeasance not to investigate him thoroughly. Binkley had been a prosecutor before he entered private practice and he thought Lamborgine's behavior during interrogations was consistent with someone who was lying his ass off about these crimes. All reports I have on Binkley is that he is a really good guy and is no light-weight. The civil suit was based on some recent case precedent in New York where (and I might have this wrong), a person in Lamborgine's position was compelled to talk in a civil case or be sent to prison for contempt. It resulted in that crime being solved. The big difference here is that Lamborgine is facing prison in any event because of the molestations he was convicted of, so there isn't as much leverage. So, the case was not frivolous or without merit and in my opinion was filed only with the intent to try to help get to the bottom of all of this. He was described as "a character," but he is honestly trying to do some good and is not manipulating the legal system to simply dog Lamborgine.
While he makes no sense as a suspect to us, if you knew none of what we know and assumed all cop work done in the past was beyond reproach, I can see how they considered him.
So, that's it. I acknowledge how someone could look at him as a serious suspect--definitely someone to rule out. I think the stuff in the media was to put pressure on him to squeal, not to toot the prosecutor's horn). Who knows why he behaved the way he did--he is obviously a sick fucker and no amount of logic can be applied to make sense of it. They tried, it appears not to have worked, and they moved on. I don't know how long the civil suit can sit before it is dismissed. I don't think Dave Binkley has any intention of completely backing off until he is satisfied on behalf of his client that Lamborgine doesn't know shit. His reputation is solid and people I have spoken to about this do not believe he would ever file a vindictive lawsuit. In a way, he's just like us; he has his own theory and is doing whatever is humanly possible to get to the bottom of it. Although these types of civil suits look dicey, they are certainly not unprecedented, and the fact that the case has not been dismissed by the judge is a testament to this. Will it go anywhere? I seriously doubt it, but at least the guy tried.
Helen Dagner

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#1312 Jul 5, 2008
Ms. Dagner

Approximately 1 year ago, my partner assisted the Georgia Bureau of Investigations,(GBI) with an investigation which led them to the State of Michigan. They requested we assist them and conduct some followup interviews in Michigan. After completing our assist to them, the GBI agent told us if there was ever anything they could do for us in return, they would be more than willing. Immediately I thought to myself of the person you've spoken of all these years who now resides in GA. A formal request, in writing, was then sent to the GBI, asking if they would be willing to contact him and ask for a voluntary sample of his DNA. "Buccal Swab".

GBI agreed to assist us, and on Feb 1, 2008, contact was made with this subject. He voluntarily signed a waiver of Constitutional Rights to a Search Warrant and voluntarily provided two buccal swabs of his DNA. He was very gracious/cooperative and willing to assist Michigan authorities with our case.(The OCCK investigation).

His sample, along with four other individuals we've recently been investigating, were sent to the FBI lab in Quantico VA. for comparison against our past and "new evidence".

On July 2, 2008, I received the results of the FBI's findings (analysis). Their conclusions are as follows:
The mtDNA sequences from xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx and xxx are different. Therefore,(the five listed subjects,(names withheld), can be excluded as the source of the evidence xxx and xxx.

Ms Dagner, had this coincidence not occurred with the GBI, we would not have requested the DNA sample be taken from this person, however, with the circumstances involved, and knowing the passion you've exhibited all these years on the OCCK case, I felt out of respect for you and the case, "Why not".

Unfortunately, we didn't get the ever elusive hit we've been looking for all these years, but make no mistake, we "ARE" vigorously working this case.

Respectfully

D/Sgt. Gray and the OCCK Task Force.

Since: Mar 07

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#1313 Jul 7, 2008
Figured out my favorite car yet Lt.? Hop in, I'll take ya for a spin, and feed ya your favorite sandwich.

CWW

Since: Mar 07

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#1314 Jul 7, 2008
A question proposed on HDdotcom today-

"What I find pathetic is that there is no one from any of the LE offices that was involved with this investigation that can answer the simple question. How did John know personal things about the victims? Put your police procedures, court rulings, DNA testing and all the other bullshit down for one minute and answer the god damn question!"

How do you know that "John knows personal things about the victims" that have not been available in the media? Would you itemize these "knowing's" and show how you can verify that they cannot be "known" by John (unless of course he was the perp). Can you verify they are even factual. What do you base your ascertations on? You don't have any proof of these, do you?
How do you know LE cannot answer your question? They aren't going to call you up and tell you. The group of LE you refer to is pretty large, do you expect them to address your query?

Aren't you basing your presumptions on what you have picked up on the Internet? You can't go by that you know.

CWW
Helen Dagner

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#1315 Jul 7, 2008
Is he on Crack?
Lol...No one I know is going to tell you a thing!
Reasoning

Highland Park, MI

#1316 Jul 7, 2008
YOU are the last person I will ever tell who are my sources but I can guarantee you that it's not ALL internet sources.

Since: Mar 07

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#1317 Jul 7, 2008
Helen Dagner wrote:
Is he on Crack?
Lol...No one I know is going to tell you a thing!
I didn't ask to be told a thing. I asked for substantiation, if there is any. I didn't ask YOU anything. I wouldn't want to be told anything from anyone YOU know anyhow. Go back to HDdotcom and talk to Lt., ask him how hungry he is for his sandwich. It's warm, want some?

CWW

Since: Mar 07

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#1318 Jul 7, 2008
Reasoning wrote:
YOU are the last person I will ever tell who are my sources but I can guarantee you that it's not ALL internet sources.
Heavy intrigue! Wait on that phone call from LE.

Substantiation!!

Your insistance for answers are on this forum too, ya know? Do you think anyone reads this?

CWW

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