The Oakland County Child Killer
Helen Dagner

Petoskey, MI

#8747 Feb 11, 2012
On the Index for the Oakland County Child Killer site on this board-Topix -it shows posts up to 8178???nd yet clearly the end post on my screen says post 8746-so is this a new Hobby of the Moderator???
Helen Dagner

Petoskey, MI

#8748 Feb 11, 2012
Oh well, not getting much activity here today anyway except from moderators, lol…
Manny

Utica, MI

#8749 Feb 11, 2012
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/oakland-county-c...

Here is a link for the sketches that look Greene, the ones one each side strikingly resemble him. I've ordered the book, thanks Lilly. Seems if there were a great deal of people involved in this crime, someone would be talking by now. Are the police reports obtained by the King family posted anywhere for public viewing? Wondering if they established where Christopher Busch was during the times each child was missing. It cannot have been an easy task to keep a child up to 19 days in one case and establish an alibi. Seems like there should be a fund people could contribute to for a reward for new information or perhaps to fund private investigations, even to defray the cost of FOIA requests and lawsuits. It seems simply inexcusable that anything would be held back from the families at this point.
LadyJ

Hopkins, MI

#8750 Feb 11, 2012
Interesting reading Helen.
Manny

Utica, MI

#8751 Feb 11, 2012
Was Randall Raar ever cleared? of any involvement?
Notles

Warren, MI

#8752 Feb 11, 2012
Helen Dagner wrote:
Ok-now about the sketches-There are only 3 actual sketches-the other drawings that you have seen-are just made up -to show what maybe the Occk could have looked like-they are not backed by any eye witnesses and I do not agree with Notles about Det. Gray pulling these out every time there is a new suspect-I believe Det. Gray to be a very good person and a man of God-and I had to find this out the hard way-as I also accused him of Lying-and he told me-he does not lie and his partner also told me that-However I had been told something by Kdogg that I believed he was telling the truth about-and that was before I found out Kdogg was a Pathological Liar-and I blamed Gray for it-But it wasn't true-I just had chosen to believe the wrong person--
Honesty is not the issue. Gray would be the first one to admit that new sketches were meaningless. Busch's sketch is just an example of what I am referring to. He was just hoping the sketch would ring someone's bell.
Manny

Utica, MI

#8753 Feb 11, 2012
So Christopher busch's mom was a kindergarten teacher who died in 2003. What a shame his name was not given to the families earlier, it seems like a mother of one of the victims could have pusuaded her to talk mother to mother. It appears he is survived by a brother named Charles, has any attempt been made to talk to him? Does anyone know how the other two sons died?
just-thinking

Jackson, MI

#8754 Feb 11, 2012
Kindergarten teacher? Really?
Manny

Utica, MI

#8755 Feb 11, 2012
just-thinking wrote:
Kindergarten teacher? Really?
Yes, that came from her obit.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/hartfordcour...
Notles

Warren, MI

#8756 Feb 11, 2012
Helen Dagner wrote:
Ok-now about the sketches-There are only 3 actual sketches-the other drawings that you have seen-are just made up -to show what maybe the Occk could have looked like-they are not backed by any eye witnesses and I do not agree with Notles about Det. Gray pulling these out every time there is a new suspect-I believe Det. Gray to be a very good person and a man of God-and I had to find this out the hard way-as I also accused him of Lying-and he told me-he does not lie and his partner also told me that-However I had been told something by Kdogg that I believed he was telling the truth about-and that was before I found out Kdogg was a Pathological Liar-and I blamed Gray for it-But it wasn't true-I just had chosen to believe the wrong person--
Detective Gray made strides in the OCCK case. His biggest accomplishment was breaking us free of the Norberg propaganda so we could move on to the real killers.
Detective Gray had two weaknesses, staying focused when the waves got rough and the other was he had a love for the spotlight which ultimately caused his ego to get in the way of delivering the identity of killer/s. He came close but no cigar.
Helen Dagner

Petoskey, MI

#8757 Feb 11, 2012
Notles wrote:
<quoted text>
Detective Gray made strides in the OCCK case. His biggest accomplishment was breaking us free of the Norberg propaganda so we could move on to the real killers.
Detective Gray had two weaknesses, staying focused when the waves got rough and the other was he had a love for the spotlight which ultimately caused his ego to get in the way of delivering the identity of killer/s. He came close but no cigar.
I understand what your saying-I just wanted to let you know-I haven't been scared off-lol-I just am not going to post here any more-To much deception by so many people-and I need to get the word out and correct all this Busch News Media Hipe -that is Oh so wrong-So I will be over on my own site -getting that Job done-any time a forum deletes 569 post in one day to prevent the truth from getting out-It isn't a place I want to be-
Manny

Utica, MI

#8758 Feb 11, 2012
Helen Dagner wrote:
<quoted text> I understand what your saying-I just wanted to let you know-I haven't been scared off-lol-I just am not going to post here any more-To much deception by so many people-and I need to get the word out and correct all this Busch News Media Hipe -that is Oh so wrong-So I will be over on my own site -getting that Job done-any time a forum deletes 569 post in one day to prevent the truth from getting out-It isn't a place I want to be-
I'll keep looking in on your site. Just coming in it strikes me as almost impossible someone you hardly know would just up and confess to a semi stranger....and that he would quit. I know anything is possible, please don't lop off my head. Loved your site and the videos, just seems rather implausible, but then again, not impossible. I feel haunted by the look in the families eyes, like we all just kind of dropped the ball after the killings stopped and left the families on their own. That could of been anyone of us living in the area at the time, that could be our parents now trying to get answers. I think they deserve answers and certainly, every tidbit of information that is out there. I think
Christopher Busch's family should be offering information.
Notles

Warren, MI

#8759 Feb 11, 2012
Helen Dagner wrote:
<quoted text> I understand what your saying-I just wanted to let you know-I haven't been scared off-lol-I just am not going to post here any more-To much deception by so many people-and I need to get the word out and correct all this Busch News Media Hipe -that is Oh so wrong-So I will be over on my own site -getting that Job done-any time a forum deletes 569 post in one day to prevent the truth from getting out-It isn't a place I want to be-
Before you go Helen, How did you determine that 569 posts were deleted in one day? That sounds like a lot of work to determine that. I see a few recent ones deleted but who is the poster in general that is the focus of the censorship? What is the beginning and ending dates of the deleted posts? Do you think the deletions were LE driven or moderator bias? Or maybe the moderator just doing what he should have done a long time ago?
LadyJ

Hopkins, MI

#8760 Feb 11, 2012
I spoke to a Detroit policeman today to find out how to get my sisters file opened and he said they have gone back and recently discovered several other kidnappings and murders they believe are by the same person.
LadyJ

Hopkins, MI

#8761 Feb 11, 2012
He said the OCCK is a very active case right now.
Justice Denied

San Antonio, TX

#8762 Feb 11, 2012
Manny, Charles Busch was interviewed by the FBI. He requested a witness protection program if he were to divulge any information. This is a fact and is in transcript obtained via FOIA. I would find it grossly incompetent if the grand juries or the FBI has not questioned him further. Busch Molested his brothers kids. This is known fact. There is also people who have shared that HLee Busch, the father, was sexually abusive to his kids, and that he also liked little boys. However, those people giving up this info about H Lee were shady individuals, so one must question the source. Prior to his death, H Lee also destroyed all Busch family records. Why?
Notles

Warren, MI

#8763 Feb 11, 2012
TruthDude wrote:
<quoted text>
NotLes,
In reading the above it is now the second time you have used the phrase "You have a lot riding on Cory being right". WRONG,--- I gave my sworn statement in 11/07 under oath. Are you willing to do the same with what you claim you can offer, or just masturbate your mind here in this forum ? I don't have ANYTHING riding on this, and ONLY want truth to rise like cream to the top, and have remained open to other suspects listed here as being part of this crime. There isn't anything "riding" on this for me as you seem to treat it like a wager or bet..
What I am referring when I say you have a lot riding on the Busch theory, is that you single handedly turned the OCCK in a completely different direction. Busch has dominated the media and the King family has spend thousands of dollars based on your information. If you are wrong you will be viewed as a fool, a person that put a monkey wrench in the whole investigation with possibly cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and much wasted time and effort. Not to mention toying with everyone's emotions. If you are right you will be viewed as a hero. It has nothing to do with what your motives or desires are. It is just the facts of the matter. I think you are so deep in this thing that you are willing to bastardize the facts. Do I need to spell those details out again?
Manny

Utica, MI

#8764 Feb 11, 2012
Justice Denied wrote:
Manny, Charles Busch was interviewed by the FBI. He requested a witness protection program if he were to divulge any information. This is a fact and is in transcript obtained via FOIA. I would find it grossly incompetent if the grand juries or the FBI has not questioned him further. Busch Molested his brothers kids. This is known fact. There is also people who have shared that HLee Busch, the father, was sexually abusive to his kids, and that he also liked little boys. However, those people giving up this info about H Lee were shady individuals, so one must question the source. Prior to his death, H Lee also destroyed all Busch family records. Why?
Thank you for sharing this. Is there any info on how the other two Busch boys died? I easily found Christopher's death record but none for John or David, did either of them marry, how did they die? Or are people just assuming that? Is there any documentation that Christopher abused his brother's children?
Lilly

Denver, CO

#8765 Feb 11, 2012
Re-missing posts:

If you post and just because you see it posted doesn’t mean it is there. You may continue to see it because it is your post from your computer but we do not see it on the board.

So I only went back a few pages but whoever posted the following numbers, your post is not there even if you are seeing it.
POST # 8593 – 8611 – 8693 – 8712 – 8713 – 8715 – 8720 – 8728 – 8740 – 8743 – 8746

So go back and look at the board to see who wrote them and you will know who is being censored.

Also someone please let me know that you see this post LOL
Lilly

Denver, CO

#8766 Feb 11, 2012
Justice Denied wrote:
Manny, Charles Busch was interviewed by the FBI. He requested a witness protection program if he were to divulge any information. This is a fact and is in transcript obtained via FOIA. I would find it grossly incompetent if the grand juries or the FBI has not questioned him further. Busch Molested his brothers kids. This is known fact. There is also people who have shared that HLee Busch, the father, was sexually abusive to his kids, and that he also liked little boys. However, those people giving up this info about H Lee were shady individuals, so one must question the source. Prior to his death, H Lee also destroyed all Busch family records. Why?
H. Lee Busch did destroy documents. I suspect they were more than just family records. I have long suspected that he was the reason for the monster Chris turned out to be. And if the characters who say he liked little boys were sleazy well…so was his son. So that isn’t a reason to think he wouldn’t keep company with sleazes.

If it’s true and I suspect it is because of his kid and how he dealt with it all. He was nothing more than a wealthy well dressed sleaze himself.

I even believe it is possible he knew the Fox Island millionaires. Their patrons were in his league. How did his son Chris get hooked-up with them? And what were those docs he was burning? And how did all those men just walk away from all the harm they’d done?
I think it was one big rat’s nest - H. Lee included.

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