The Oakland County Child Killer
TerryB

Minneapolis, MN

#7264 Nov 9, 2011
thread, type O
Lilly

Denver, CO

#7265 Nov 9, 2011
TerryB wrote:
<quoted text>I've avoided posting on this OCCK tread because my knowledge of this case is only an outline of it but your statement fits in with many of the related cases that I have studied. My suspicion is that the persons that are really behind these crimes exert control over some people in key positions. Once they know who the pedophiles are then they can control them.
Are you saying that the pedophiles are sometimes important people in positions of power? And once the investigators get wind of them and proof of their activities, they can then use the information for the purposr of blackmail against them---control them and get favors or goods or services from them?
just-thinking

Jackson, MI

#7266 Nov 9, 2011
I think TerryB is saying people in power are sometimes part of the pedophile rings and people in the rings not wanting to be discovered manipulate these people in power for cover. For example: If a police chief or well connected auto exec. were to attend a pedophile party and be seen by movers in the underworld he would then be a good target for extortion and manipulation.
user99

United States

#7267 Nov 9, 2011
justice denied-- not the same photographer. The photographer I am referring to drove a gold/bronze color chrysler new yorker. I believe the OCCK and the cass are connected somehow, it is just making the connection. How can both of these pedophile rings have the exact same MO these parties where kids are taken. I also believe the photographers were taking pictures of these kids for advertisement to other pedophiles. There has to be someone who can recognize these people from cass to fox island and put them together i just know there is someone out there.
Lilly

Denver, CO

#7268 Nov 9, 2011
just-thinking wrote:
I think TerryB is saying people in power are sometimes part of the pedophile rings and people in the rings not wanting to be discovered manipulate these people in power for cover. For example: If a police chief or well connected auto exec. were to attend a pedophile party and be seen by movers in the underworld he would then be a good target for extortion and manipulation.
Thank you. the post wasn't real clear. It makes sense and of course that has been thrown around for a long time. The whole extortion and blackmail angle.
just-thinking

Jackson, MI

#7269 Nov 9, 2011
Just from watching the story at Penn St. unfold and seeing all of the University officials who were told including Joe Paterno and the perp still had a university office. Paterno has known since 2002. Why the silence? There must be dozens of people who know who was at North Fox Island. Apparently the tendency is to shrug and say nothing letting pedophiles walk free.
TerryB

Minneapolis, MN

#7270 Nov 9, 2011
Lilly wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying that the pedophiles are sometimes important people in positions of power? And once the investigators get wind of them and proof of their activities, they can then use the information for the purposr of blackmail against them---control them and get favors or goods or services from them?
No I talking about organized crime exerting control over pedophiles placed in key positions.
Lilly

Denver, CO

#7271 Nov 9, 2011
User 99
The common denominator---the connection IS the pedophile ring(s). And LE knows damned good and well it is. Like any other far reaching organization, there were workers, delivery people, organizers, procurement people, sales/advertising people, distributors of the advertisements (nation-wide),managers, protection and of course customers from every walk of life---very rich, rich, middle class and even lower class who would barter for products and services.

This is not an opinion. It is a fact. Some of official reports were posted right here by Keeper. There was a huge pedophile ring operating back then. Some of the names that have come up in this case have also come up in that ring.

Look at any criminal enterprise that has been taken down and dismantled. They are all set up and run in a very similar manner. Thatís what organized crime is, ORGANIZED.

When the police go under cover to find their weak spots they find that there is a network. This is not an opinion it is a fact. The criminals depend on a well run network to do their dirt and make money. Police organizations build a pyramid and work from the bottom up to get to the big guys running the criminal enterprise. There are territories and while they are run by different people (crews) to service different levels of business and different levels of clientele. They all know each other and respect each otherís territory. They do favors and even provide professional courtesies. Weather its drugs, gambling, stolen goods, prostitution, smuggling, or whatever. The people in that particular type of criminal activity in the SAME general location know the others in the SAME type of business in the SAME general location. It Is Impossible For Them To Not Know Each Other.

So it is common sense to know that this criminal enterprise, selling children, was not operating in a vacuum. They all had to have known each other. So yes it is all connected. There has been to damn much smoke to claim there was no fire.

Some of these pedophiles who were a part of the ring(s) and who have also been connected to the OCCK, and they HAVE been connected; have come up over and over in different aspects of this case,(a lot of smoke so yes there is fire). And thatís just the few names we know about. I would bet dollars to donuts LE has a huge list of names and if it was known, many of those same names would be connected to EACH OTHER and therefore would in some way be connected to this case. No way to get around it. It is a big ugly mess and full of secrets.

The killer is in there and I think a lot of people know who it is. But to tell it would mean to tell the WHOLE story and that is what they have been hiding all these years. They have been hiding the CONNECTION.

Most of the players are dead. But there is still the matter of not admitting to the early cover-up. LE will never do that so they will never solve this case.

It is not unsolvable. It is untouchable and there is a difference.
TerryB

Minneapolis, MN

#7272 Nov 9, 2011
Lilly wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you. the post wasn't real clear. It makes sense and of course that has been thrown around for a long time. The whole extortion and blackmail angle.
That's exactly what I meant. Just like the rumor about former FBI head J.Edgar Hoover allegedly being a cross-dresser.

Pedophiles are probably a more effective means of control since the can be charged with a crime.

I've only read a cursory summary of the OCCK case but I remember doubting that Busch was guilty. What do some of you other posters think about that?
Lilly

Denver, CO

#7273 Nov 9, 2011
TerryB wrote:
<quoted text>No I talking about organized crime exerting control over pedophiles placed in key positions.
Good point and very possible.
TerryB

Minneapolis, MN

#7274 Nov 9, 2011
just-thinking wrote:
I think TerryB is saying people in power are sometimes part of the pedophile rings and people in the rings not wanting to be discovered manipulate these people in power for cover. For example: If a police chief or well connected auto exec. were to attend a pedophile party and be seen by movers in the underworld he would then be a good target for extortion and manipulation.
Exactly! Sorry to say it but I think snuff/Pedo/porn is likely involved in OCCK and JBR.
TerryB

Minneapolis, MN

#7275 Nov 9, 2011
just-thinking wrote:
Just from watching the story at Penn St. unfold and seeing all of the University officials who were told including Joe Paterno and the perp still had a university office. Paterno has known since 2002. Why the silence? There must be dozens of people who know who was at North Fox Island. Apparently the tendency is to shrug and say nothing letting pedophiles walk free.
Right, that stink too.
TerryB

Minneapolis, MN

#7276 Nov 9, 2011
stinks too (type O)
Reasoning

Warren, MI

#7277 Nov 10, 2011
TerryB wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly! Sorry to say it but I think snuff/Pedo/porn is likely involved in OCCK and JBR.
Or the killer simply made it look like this type of motive.
TerryB

Minneapolis, MN

#7278 Nov 10, 2011
Reasoning wrote:
<quoted text>
Or the killer simply made it look like this type of motive.
That's a good point too.
TerryB

Minneapolis, MN

#7279 Nov 10, 2011
In Minneapolis, for example back before 1980 or so, there were several smut shops on Lake St that were said to be owned and operated by one family. Kiddy porn and snuff films were not on display, the rest of the magazines were displayed in plain view. You can bet that a pedophile or snuff film customer could inquire about that kind of stuff and once he did buy any of it; then they knew who he was. Of course this is a forbidden product and totally illegal. Once they knew who he was the could sell him more of the same product and they "had the goods on him" so to speak.

I don't know how big this market was but when I've checked the postings via Megan's list there are more of these jerks then I'd like to see around in my area.

Unfortunately the sexual predator list enables the bastards to associate with each other as well as other hoods being able to manipulate them.

When I was a youngster in the late 60's there was a kid in my school that brought a glossy magazine to school that had photos of dead kids in it, I remember one where the kid had his brains blown out on a coffee table. I lived in a small town 40 miles from Minneapolis, that image had a frightening and lasting effect on me. So apparently someone was buying that stuff.

Going into the story of the Zodiac killings I was struck by the testimony of Mike Mageau when he said that the killer shined a very bright light on them, this led me to suspect that the killer was operating a 8mm or larger motion picture camera because back then the lighting to operate those cameras was blindingly bright.

What really troubled me about the JBR murder was the fact that the FBI was telling BDP that "they had never seen a case like this where it wasn't the parents". Well, we know that to be a bold face lie because of OCCK. What does that say about the FBI?
just-thinking

Jackson, MI

#7280 Nov 10, 2011
I am sure that was a lie and easily disproved, but if they thought the parents would cave and confess if BPD threw that at them they might lie to get a confession... not that that would be very reliable. Obviously it was a lie given OCCK for starters.
Reasoning

Warren, MI

#7281 Nov 10, 2011
TerryB wrote:
What really troubled me about the JBR murder was the fact that the FBI was telling BDP that "they had never seen a case like this where it wasn't the parents". Well, we know that to be a bold face lie because of OCCK. What does that say about the FBI?
There is a big difference. The fact that JBR was murdered in their own home is significant. I think the FBI was being honest.
Lilly

Denver, CO

#7282 Nov 10, 2011
Reasoning wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a big difference. The fact that JBR was murdered in their own home is significant. I think the FBI was being honest.
I agree and good point. It was different and the feds were all over it. There is the same feeling in Boulder and even Denver about the Ramsey case as there was about the OCCK. People were really traumatized by the brutality. It is still a very sore spot here just as the OCCK is there. It shattered people.
Lilly

Denver, CO

#7283 Nov 10, 2011
For the new person: Don't pay attention to the judging icons. Our little troll is very busy again. It seems to give him/her a life under the bridge.

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