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#588 Jun 9, 2007
From May 2006

A new tip in the Oakland County child killer case has police investigating.

A task force is working to bring evidence against the owner of the home, Randall Raar, 59, who they said may be linked to the Oakland County child killer case.

Inside the home, police found letters written to serial killers, child pornography, 8 mm film dating back to the 1970s, computer files and a sex slave dungeon equipped with shackles and a jail-like door that locked from the outside.

Raar's background includes charges of child sexual misconduct dating back to 1970, when police said he impersonated a talent scout for a modeling agency to meet girls. His most recent arrest was in 1984 for having sex with a minor, according to police.

The task force met on Thursday to discuss the case. They will go back to the Lincoln Park home to serve another warrant.

Task force members of the Oakland County child killer investigation said there are 10 suspects on the list, but Raar was not one of them; they hope Raar can help them figure out who the child killer is.

He's now convicted and sits in jail. No public announcements have been made as to how he stands on the OCCK case. Maybe he has info and maybe not, we have to wait and see. He remains a possible link to this day.

Then there's mystery John(Jack)H. Wonder what he's up to lately. He also is said to have confessed. So many questions, so few answers. Makes my blood boil!
CandyO

South Ozone Park, NY

#589 Jun 9, 2007
Is your intention to post information in effort to find a conclusion to the 30 year old Oakland County Child Killer cases? Or do you have another agenda Grayfield? Your comments do not lend any kind of positive movement to forward the OCCK cases, instead they are irresponsible and ineffective.

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#590 Jun 10, 2007
Comments from CandyO: lending positive movement to forwarding the OCCK cases, quite responsible and effective, no doubt.

Well mine is leather, large, and pink and it is damn cute! If any woman saw it, they would remember it!!!!!

Maybe you should start a thread for car sales!
There is also a Kensington Rd that runs along the rr track between Big Beaver (16 mile) and Wattles ( 17 mile). On the other side of that track is Springdale Park and Golf Course.
It's the door handle that confounds me.
a GTO - The Judge was a particular model of GTO. Fast and mean.

Maybe they are waiting for John Mark Karr??

Dan in Detroit aka Detroit Breakdown aka (his own daughter) DBCOOPER aka a number of other hats has a suspect!

The second shooter from behind the grassy knoll on Dealey Plaza was none other than .. Gary! You know the guy that killed Jane Allen, the OCCK kids, Jonbenet Ramsey - well you get the picture. And the cops aren't listening to him?

Oh my but the slop being sluiced through our brains over at TOPIX is putrid. Whoever Astounded is - way to go. Henrietta from the UK seems to find Psycho Dan nutso too. Benjamin from OH tries to be even handed with Dan, but you can see his frustration there too.

Keep up the good work Candy0.
Helen Dagner

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#591 Jun 10, 2007
CWW
: xr650l0001@

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#592 Jun 10, 2007
Helen Dagner wrote:
CWW
: xr650l0001@
AKA Pembrook AKA Grayfield

CWW
Helen Dagner

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#593 Jun 10, 2007
CandyO-Don't my Grayfield-he takes everything out of context..."Which means his brains are about as organized and active as your typical can of dog food.."
Helen Dagner

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#594 Jun 10, 2007
CandyO-When I and- I'm sure others {-as they have brought it to my attention}...review Grayfield's posts-we see his contribution to the Occk-It is to Hinder-Impede-Ridicule-Obstruc t-Disrupt-Discourage-Sabotage- Character Assassination- and to continue to be an Instigator---because he has NO knowledge of these cases...but he wants to work his way into them...in anyway he can....It is called NO Conscience....and it is-an Insult to the Memory of the four victims and their families.....
CandyO

South Ozone Park, NY

#595 Jun 10, 2007
Grayfield wrote:
Comments from CandyO: lending positive movement to forwarding the OCCK cases, quite responsible and effective, no doubt.
Well mine is leather, large, and pink and it is damn cute! If any woman saw it, they would remember it!!!!!
Maybe you should start a thread for car sales!
There is also a Kensington Rd that runs along the rr track between Big Beaver (16 mile) and Wattles ( 17 mile). On the other side of that track is Springdale Park and Golf Course.
It's the door handle that confounds me.
a GTO - The Judge was a particular model of GTO. Fast and mean.
Maybe they are waiting for John Mark Karr??
Dan in Detroit aka Detroit Breakdown aka (his own daughter) DBCOOPER aka a number of other hats has a suspect!
The second shooter from behind the grassy knoll on Dealey Plaza was none other than .. Gary! You know the guy that killed Jane Allen, the OCCK kids, Jonbenet Ramsey - well you get the picture. And the cops aren't listening to him?
Oh my but the slop being sluiced through our brains over at TOPIX is putrid. Whoever Astounded is - way to go. Henrietta from the UK seems to find Psycho Dan nutso too. Benjamin from OH tries to be even handed with Dan, but you can see his frustration there too.
Keep up the good work Candy0.
Thanks! I will.
Helen Dagner

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#596 Jun 14, 2007
MYSTERY SOLVED!! I WAS WONDERING HOW THE SAME TWO PEOPLE COULD POST AS SO MANY DIFFERANT IPs~BET THEY HAD A LITTLE HELP FROM HERE~ http://www.whatismyipaddress.com/staticpages/...

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#597 Jun 14, 2007
Somebody asks if John’s work record in the OCCK time frame was looked into. The actual question was “Have you ever had a work record run on this John?”

HD responds Posted: Sat May 05, 2007
“HAS A WORK RECORD ON JOHN...EVER BEEN REQUESTED~I CAN ANSWER THAT....NO!”

On a prior date HD posted this gem.

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:54 am
John had
motive-means and opportunity-In checking a peretual calander,he was off work
or unemployed on the dates of every pick up,murders,and drop off--

If his work record was never requested, by what information could you tell when he was off work and/or unemployed? What information is your perpetual calendar comparing against?
How do you know the cops don’t have that info?

CWW
Helen Dagner

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#598 Jun 14, 2007
YOU KNOW ~YOU REALLY P~~ ME OFF~NOW ARE YOU THAT STUPID...THAT YOU CAN NOT FIGURE THAT OUT!...I SPENT 9 MOs TALKING TO THE GUY~TRUST ME I GOT ALL THAT INFO OUT OF HIM!...I DID NOT RUN A WORK RECORD ON HIM~NOR DID ANY COP CONNECTED WITH THIS CASE...AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT THEY TOLD ME...YOU HAVE THE HARDEST TIME OF ANY HUMAN BEING I KNOW...UNDERSTANDING THE WRITTEN WORD...OR MAYBE YOU DO UNDERSTAND...AND YOUR INTENT IS JUST TO SCRAMBLE EVERYTHING I SAY UP...WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE IT UP...AGAIN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER THESE OAKLAND COUNTY CHILD MURDER CASES...NOT ONLY DO YOU NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM...YOU CAN NOT EVEN GET IT THRU YOUR HEAD WHEN IT IS EXPLAINED TO YOU...WHY DO YOU WANT TO WORK YOUR WAY INTO THIS CASE?? IF JOHN McKINNEY WAS SUCH A GOOD FRIEND OF YOURS...SHOULDN'T YOU BE KEEPING HIS MEMORY ALIVE..UNTILL HIS CASE IS SOLVED?..OR IS IT YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIM EITHER??
CandyO

New York, NY

#599 Jun 14, 2007
Wow - you were a friend to John McKinney???? What kind of friend are you that you haven't done anything to bring his murder case into recent history? Isn't his murder a mystery too?

Instead you choose to pontificate about others who are, at the very least, attempting to keep the victim's memory fresh. Yes, a lot of time is spent on the "Who Done It" angle, but the bottom line is those kids were yanked from life and those shock waves are still reverberating today.

John McKinney was murdered. It is not a case often discussed. LE hasn't made a move to solve anything about it for quite some time. Doesn't that bother you? Take a proactive step. Instead of standing in judgement of others, take a stand for your friend.

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#600 Jun 15, 2007
CandyO wrote:
Wow - you were a friend to John McKinney???? What kind of friend are you that you haven't done anything to bring his murder case into recent history? Isn't his murder a mystery too?
Instead you choose to pontificate about others who are, at the very least, attempting to keep the victim's memory fresh. Yes, a lot of time is spent on the "Who Done It" angle, but the bottom line is those kids were yanked from life and those shock waves are still reverberating today.
John McKinney was murdered. It is not a case often discussed. LE hasn't made a move to solve anything about it for quite some time. Doesn't that bother you? Take a proactive step. Instead of standing in judgement of others, take a stand for your friend.
As far as McKinney goes, in Nov 2004 I had his case featured on Yahoo Group "Unsolved-Crimes." After it appeared on the internet I wrote the editor of the Birmingham Eccentric and encouraged him to run a new story, which they did in Jan 2006. The story is also featured on another web site.
The cops had his case burried before I moved away from Bham in 1979. Nobody gives a damn about it and nothing more will ever be done about it.
HD stuck her nose in it at one point and proclaimed she figured it all out and sent her "info" to the Bham police. My responses to that fiasco was documented on the Free Press forum under my Pembrook name.

CWW
CandyO

New York, NY

#601 Jun 15, 2007
But that's what I mean CWW - use the energy you put into dogging ( and no that is not a refernce to Kdogg - I know you are not one in the same) HD or Dan or Terri for keeping your friend's memory and the travesty of his buried murder case from sinking 6 ft under.

HD stuck her nose in it - my response? At least someone is championing for the murdered. And what does it say about LE that they prefer to look the other way? Are the cases too old to matter? Are there more important murder cases to attend to? Or are they burying these cases to prevent their own screw-ups from being scrutinized?

If you stick your nose in it, LE is forced to either act or recognize their own mistakes. If the collective "we" of the masses allow that, then we have not been true to the memories of those we have known.

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#602 Jun 15, 2007
CandyO wrote:
But that's what I mean CWW - use the energy you put into dogging ( and no that is not a refernce to Kdogg - I know you are not one in the same) HD or Dan or Terri for keeping your friend's memory and the travesty of his buried murder case from sinking 6 ft under.
HD stuck her nose in it - my response? At least someone is championing for the murdered. And what does it say about LE that they prefer to look the other way? Are the cases too old to matter? Are there more important murder cases to attend to? Or are they burying these cases to prevent their own screw-ups from being scrutinized?
If you stick your nose in it, LE is forced to either act or recognize their own mistakes. If the collective "we" of the masses allow that, then we have not been true to the memories of those we have known.
I appreciate your sentiment, but it is a lost cause now. When I was still there I would drop in on the police station and ask for updates or if there was anything new. I would get the cold shoulder and the just looked down their noses at me. They could care less about me seeking some answers. I might add that they knew me as the son of a former fellow officer. My dad was on their auxillary squad for three years in late 1950s. The cops couldn't find a perp so they dropped the case in a drawer. If one of them did it, then it is a simple cover up. Either way, no one cares.
At least in the OCCK there is some work being done and I hope they can out the guy before too long.

CWW

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#603 Jun 15, 2007
Helen Dagner wrote:
YOU KNOW ~YOU REALLY P~~ ME OFF~NOW ARE YOU THAT STUPID...THAT YOU CAN NOT FIGURE THAT OUT!...I SPENT 9 MOs TALKING TO THE GUY~TRUST ME I GOT ALL THAT INFO OUT OF HIM!...I DID NOT RUN A WORK RECORD ON HIM~NOR DID ANY COP CONNECTED WITH THIS CASE...AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT THEY TOLD ME...YOU HAVE THE HARDEST TIME OF ANY HUMAN BEING I KNOW...UNDERSTANDING THE WRITTEN WORD...OR MAYBE YOU DO UNDERSTAND...AND YOUR INTENT IS JUST TO SCRAMBLE EVERYTHING I SAY UP...WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE IT UP...AGAIN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER THESE OAKLAND COUNTY CHILD MURDER CASES...NOT ONLY DO YOU NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM...YOU CAN NOT EVEN GET IT THRU YOUR HEAD WHEN IT IS EXPLAINED TO YOU...WHY DO YOU WANT TO WORK YOUR WAY INTO THIS CASE?? IF JOHN McKINNEY WAS SUCH A GOOD FRIEND OF YOURS...SHOULDN'T YOU BE KEEPING HIS MEMORY ALIVE..UNTILL HIS CASE IS SOLVED?..OR IS IT YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIM EITHER??
Trust you, uh, no.
So you talk to the guy some 14 years after the last murder and HE tells you he was off work or unemployed on every kidnap day and disposal day? I think the number of people that can go back in time 14 years and tell what days they missed on a given work week would be zero. It would be a different story if he was unemployed all that time, but we don't know. As you said, no-one checked(as far as you know). If you believe the guy, well, I'll leave it at that.

I would rather you not bring McKinney into this. I know what I'm doing in his regard. I know what you have done and hopefully you are done.
cody65

United States

#604 Jun 15, 2007
Computer working again, well sort of.
I need to take it back tomorrow for something else.
Detroit -- no, but close.
Banned ? No.
What e-mails, I don't know your e-mail address, but please, continue to argue these facts if you're bored.
Why is Helen posting here ? I thought she didn't even read this site ???
Helen -- go home, your planet is waiting.
Hello Grayfield, great posts as usual.
Candy's sounding good, that's great.
At least some people can still come post like real people.
Grayfield, Raar was ruled out in this case. Sick, but ruled out. I don't think anyone will argue that point.
I would love to add a few new things, but I'm afraid I'd get slammed. I will say this, Lawson speaks the truth. This I know..........
I really think this will be solved soon, well I think it is solved, just not publicly yet.
They still have two more people hanging in limbo that will be indited (spelling ?)that most people haven't even heard the names of--yet. Yes, Lawson related.
I still don't get the kdogg bashing ???
He worked his ass off, with few rewards and lots of information. His suspect is suspected in two other killings that fit the pattern and if it weren't for him and Liz, most of you, including HD, wouldn't know anything about the case let alone suspect names that some seem to have forgotten about.
cody65

United States

#605 Jun 15, 2007
Troy ??
No, I don't know why it did that. Weird.
Grayfield, keep working on your friend's murder. Never give up. Who knows, it might be related.
You're right though, no sense putting it up here to be slammed by people like HD.
I still can't figure out how so many people believe a stranger just sat down and talked to her for months about killing these kids. Her ? For no reason ? No evidence and he's been cleared ??? Yet she still has a following ? Then she says YOU know nothing about the case ??? LOL ! Ok ?
The Gary story is so far fetched no one believes it, but why the John story ????
Frankly, I think you, Kevin and Liz are the only people who really do know anything.
Detroit Breakdown

Waterford, MI

#606 Jun 16, 2007
cody65 wrote:
Troy ??
No, I don't know why it did that. Weird.
Grayfield, keep working on your friend's murder. Never give up. Who knows, it might be related.
You're right though, no sense putting it up here to be slammed by people like HD.
I still can't figure out how so many people believe a stranger just sat down and talked to her for months about killing these kids. Her ? For no reason ? No evidence and he's been cleared ??? Yet she still has a following ? Then she says YOU know nothing about the case ??? LOL ! Ok ?
The Gary story is so far fetched no one believes it, but why the John story ????
Frankly, I think you, Kevin and Liz are the only people who really do know anything.
MORE LIES ABOUT WHO SHE IS OR ISN`T AND MORE HELEN BASHING AND SUPPORT FOR KDOGG FROM TERRI AKA CODY 65 AKA TROUBLE AKA nANCY -WHO IS BANNED. yOU HAVE ALWAYS SAID YOU DISBELIEVED gARY DONE IT ALTHOUGH YOU`VE NEVER KNOWN ANYTHING ABOUT gARY. THE TRUTH IS-YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT NOTHING. GO AWAY.
Bewildered

Lansing, MI

#607 Jun 16, 2007
cody65 wrote:
Computer working again, well sort of.
I need to take it back tomorrow for something else.
Detroit -- no, but close.
Banned ? No.
What e-mails, I don't know your e-mail address, but please, continue to argue these facts if you're bored.
Why is Helen posting here ? I thought she didn't even read this site ???
Helen -- go home, your planet is waiting.
Hello Grayfield, great posts as usual.
Candy's sounding good, that's great.
At least some people can still come post like real people.
Grayfield, Raar was ruled out in this case. Sick, but ruled out. I don't think anyone will argue that point.
I would love to add a few new things, but I'm afraid I'd get slammed. I will say this, Lawson speaks the truth. This I know..........
I really think this will be solved soon, well I think it is solved, just not publicly yet.
They still have two more people hanging in limbo that will be indited (spelling ?)that most people haven't even heard the names of--yet. Yes, Lawson related.
I still don't get the kdogg bashing ???
He worked his ass off, with few rewards and lots of information. His suspect is suspected in two other killings that fit the pattern and if it weren't for him and Liz, most of you, including HD, wouldn't know anything about the case let alone suspect names that some seem to have forgotten about.
It's funny Terri that you claim if it were not for Liz, and Kdogg most people would not know about the case. Strange how that site started after HD's. I think you have your facts twisted as usual. If it were not for HD doing this for 16 years you crack posts would not have a clue as to what is going on, since the three of you did not start until 2002.
You say HD's planet is waiting, well, keep up your ramblings and they will put you back in that padded cell again where you belong. So, did your boyfriend get arrested yet for being the OCCK? You claimed at one point to have been a target during this time that would mean you like dating really old men, wouldn't? That is what you had on your blog site!
It is no wonder these cases have not been solved when there are crack pots like you, Kdogg and DB spouting off people's names as murderers in a vain attempt to get glory. How pathetic!! You could care less about what happened to the children let alone what your lies and far fetched stories are doing to the families.

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