candy

East Lansing, MI

#30 Apr 5, 2012
Link to the quotes above:

http://vimeo.com/39449004
FoolsGold

Fort Myers, FL

#31 Apr 5, 2012
candy wrote:
About the only tangible thing they did for him was give him a corporate jet to fly JonBenet's body and the family back to Atlanta for the funeral.
That was considerate of them. No one ever seriously considered that stuff about foreign factions and political intrigue, except perhaps the panic stricken Ramseys and probably not even JR.

The BPD and the beeped FBI agents didn't think it was terrorism related or political. I don't think anyone really did even in the confused early hours. The FBI agents at a course in Denver were Beeped and Briefed but felt the weird ransom amount meant the whole note should be ignored.
Henri McPhee

Ringwood, UK

#33 Apr 6, 2012
FoolsGold wrote:
<quoted text> That was considerate of them. No one ever seriously considered that stuff about foreign factions and political intrigue, except perhaps the panic stricken Ramseys and probably not even JR.
The BPD and the beeped FBI agents didn't think it was terrorism related or political. I don't think anyone really did even in the confused early hours. The FBI agents at a course in Denver were Beeped and Briefed but felt the weird ransom amount meant the whole note should be ignored.
I'm not a mind reader. I don't know exactly what the Boulder police, or the FBI, were thinking that morning.

FBI man Ron Walker has said publicly on TV that he was not informed of the JonBenet case until 9.30am that morning. From then on the FBI did next to nothing. There was some talk of the FBI arranging a ransom call phone tap. The FBI just supported the Boulder police from then on.

Lockheed Martin Security also did next to nothing and one of their spokesmen later on publicly accused the Ramseys on TV.

To my mind the Ramsey case had all the hallmarks at first of a kidnapping of a senior defense executive, and terrorism, which would be within the FBI jurisdiction to act in force immediately, and even for the White House to be informed.

I'm puzzled, and even suspicious of the FBI and Lockheed Martin Security actions, or lack of action.

I can only assume that the Boulder police disregarded any intruder theory from the word go and that's why no dogs were called.
annie

Hamilton, Canada

#34 Apr 6, 2012
Eller refused all outside assistance of any kind.

The distrust and animosity between the police and the DA's office was fueled when the DA went over his head to get compel him to keep the crime scene sealed until a thorough examination was finished, which took 10 days. Eller was prepared to and was going to turn the house back over to the Ramseys on the 26th. He believed he had completed his work there in an hour and a half.

One police search dog took scent from the air, the other from the ground. The disagreement over which one to use was so sharp no action was taken.

The FBI did more than support the police. They were actively involved in forming and advising them of schemes to use the media, among others, to hound them into submission.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#35 Apr 6, 2012
Henri McPhee wrote:
I'm puzzled, and even suspicious of the FBI and Lockheed Martin Security actions, or lack of action.
They knew immediately it was not a kidnapping and something else was wrong in the Ramsey family.

The 911 call was not of a mother in distress. The 911 call was to advertise a fake kidnapping. The ransom note was too long and not for a realistic amount of money. The mother was fully dressed without a hair out of place and the father had not even searched the house.

The stench of a crime other than kidnapping was in the air.
annie

Hamilton, Canada

#36 Apr 6, 2012
"I can only assume that the Boulder police disregarded any intruder theory from the word go and that's why no dogs were called."

Eller explained the reason they hadn't found JonBenet stemmed from the ransom note; they believed she had been kidnapped and taken from the house.
annie

Scranton, PA

#37 Apr 6, 2012
What we do know is that JonBenet was alive when she was sexually assaulted. Therefore, Patsy is eliminated.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#38 Nov 16, 2013
I was reading on another board that John Ramsey had become a "toxic asset" to the parent company that owned his company, Access Graphics. That's partially true, I heard that Jack Welsh of GE Capital, when it acquired Access Graphics in November, 1997 for 2.8 billion in stock, specifically stated that Ramsey NOT stay on at Access Graphics as CEO when GE took over, and he didn't.

Ramsey discovered too late that his parent company wanted to sell Access Graphics, and tried to buy back stock in a vain attempt to take the company private (and keep his CEO job), but Lockheed-Martin had the power, and sold Access Graphics in 1997, and John Ramsey moved on to another start up (short lived).

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#39 Nov 18, 2013
Thanks for reminding us of this Candy. The best part of starting your own company is you can give yourself any title you want. He neither acted like a CEO, nor did he “react” like a CEO upon learning his daughter had been “kidnapped”, so a title doesn’t make the man.
candy wrote:
I was reading on another board that John Ramsey had become a "toxic asset" to the parent company that owned his company, Access Graphics. That's partially true, I heard that Jack Welsh of GE Capital, when it acquired Access Graphics in November, 1997 for 2.8 billion in stock, specifically stated that Ramsey NOT stay on at Access Graphics as CEO when GE took over, and he didn't.
Ramsey discovered too late that his parent company wanted to sell Access Graphics, and tried to buy back stock in a vain attempt to take the company private (and keep his CEO job), but Lockheed-Martin had the power, and sold Access Graphics in 1997, and John Ramsey moved on to another start up (short lived).

Since: May 11

AOL

#40 Nov 18, 2013
candy wrote:
I was reading on another board that John Ramsey had become a "toxic asset" to the parent company that owned his company, Access Graphics. That's partially true, I heard that Jack Welsh of GE Capital, when it acquired Access Graphics in November, 1997 for 2.8 billion in stock, specifically stated that Ramsey NOT stay on at Access Graphics as CEO when GE took over, and he didn't.
Ramsey discovered too late that his parent company wanted to sell Access Graphics, and tried to buy back stock in a vain attempt to take the company private (and keep his CEO job), but Lockheed-Martin had the power, and sold Access Graphics in 1997, and John Ramsey moved on to another start up (short lived).
That's why Jack Welsh is so successful..his ability to spot a bad apple is uncanny.
Heloise

London, UK

#41 Nov 19, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Thanks for reminding us of this Candy. The best part of starting your own company is you can give yourself any title you want. He neither acted like a CEO, nor did he “react” like a CEO upon learning his daughter had been “kidnapped”, so a title doesn’t make the man.
<quoted text>
This reminds me of the 1998 interview with Patsy where Haney expresses incredulity that John, a CEO, is reading the ransom note calmly and lets Patsy, who is hyperventilating and hysterical, call 911..
Heloise

London, UK

#42 Nov 19, 2013
candy wrote:
I was reading on another board that John Ramsey had become a "toxic asset" to the parent company that owned his company, Access Graphics. That's partially true, I heard that Jack Welsh of GE Capital, when it acquired Access Graphics in November, 1997 for 2.8 billion in stock, specifically stated that Ramsey NOT stay on at Access Graphics as CEO when GE took over, and he didn't.
Ramsey discovered too late that his parent company wanted to sell Access Graphics, and tried to buy back stock in a vain attempt to take the company private (and keep his CEO job), but Lockheed-Martin had the power, and sold Access Graphics in 1997, and John Ramsey moved on to another start up (short lived).
I either didn't know this or had forgotten it, but it does slightly stick in one's craw that he was putting such energy into his business in 1997. As he tells it now, they were prostrated with grief, increasingly poor and barely able to function during that first year..

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#43 Nov 19, 2013
Hey there Heloise!

Or how about when he calmly was looking through the mail when the "would be kidnappers" were supposed to call on the morning of the 26th, LOL?
Heloise wrote:
<quoted text>
This reminds me of the 1998 interview with Patsy where Haney expresses incredulity that John, a CEO, is reading the ransom note calmly and lets Patsy, who is hyperventilating and hysterical, call 911..

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#44 Nov 20, 2013
Heloise wrote:
<quoted text>
I either didn't know this or had forgotten it, but it does slightly stick in one's craw that he was putting such energy into his business in 1997. As he tells it now, they were prostrated with grief, increasingly poor and barely able to function during that first year..
They were all very grief stricken and barely able to function whenever they were asked about the case and its circumstances.

Luckily for them, when he was campaigning for office, the JBR case, the book, etc. became part of the campaign and somehow a vote getter. They recovered pretty well but sadly, when that was over, they began the grieving process all over again when it came time to possibly answer questions about that night

They were very selective in their grieving
Heloise

UK

#45 Nov 20, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
<quoted text>
They were all very grief stricken and barely able to function whenever they were asked about the case and its circumstances.
Luckily for them, when he was campaigning for office, the JBR case, the book, etc. became part of the campaign and somehow a vote getter. They recovered pretty well but sadly, when that was over, they began the grieving process all over again when it came time to possibly answer questions about that night
They were very selective in their grieving
And their hysteria, Caps. To paraphrase:
Patsy:'I was flying around the house, just out of my mind, hysterical, screaming, crying, shaking...'
Haney:'Yet you managed to call 911 and tell the despatcher your address which most people forget to do?'
Patsy:'Well, I got it together for *that*'

Please.....

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#46 Nov 20, 2013
Heloise wrote:
<quoted text>
And their hysteria, Caps. To paraphrase:
Patsy:'I was flying around the house, just out of my mind, hysterical, screaming, crying, shaking...'
Haney:'Yet you managed to call 911 and tell the despatcher your address which most people forget to do?'
Patsy:'Well, I got it together for *that*'
Please.....
Geez, I am in awe ;)

As a woman who still does her hair and makeup, I was always amazed that by the time anyone got there, Patsy had any makeup on at all. Just amazing!

"Usually", when one does their makeup and THEN finds all that Patsy claimed to find, and is hysterical, crying, etc. the makeup is the first thing to go or at least be smeared all over your face

Neither was the case. Always look your best eh?

Another "REALLY?" moment LOL

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#47 Nov 20, 2013
Hey Heloise,

Now you have me wondering what John was saying to himself after he picked himself up off the floor from reading the RN, and tutored Patsy through the 9-1-1 call, realizing if he didn't hurry and put clothes on, the police might catch him in his tighty whiteys.
Heloise wrote:
<quoted text>
And their hysteria, Caps. To paraphrase:
Patsy:'I was flying around the house, just out of my mind, hysterical, screaming, crying, shaking...'
Haney:'Yet you managed to call 911 and tell the despatcher your address which most people forget to do?'
Patsy:'Well, I got it together for *that*'
Please.....
Heloise

London, UK

#48 Nov 20, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
<quoted text>
Geez, I am in awe ;)
As a woman who still does her hair and makeup, I was always amazed that by the time anyone got there, Patsy had any makeup on at all. Just amazing!
"Usually", when one does their makeup and THEN finds all that Patsy claimed to find, and is hysterical, crying, etc. the makeup is the first thing to go or at least be smeared all over your face
Neither was the case. Always look your best eh?
Another "REALLY?" moment LOL
LOL. Absolutely. I look like a cartoon character if I sneeze, let alone after the biblical flood of emotion she described.

The whole getting up and putting her make-up thing on was just ridiculous. She says she got up after John at 5.30. She claimed she didn't put a lot of make-up on but it took her 10-20 mins to do her face and put her clothes back on. 10-20 minutes to put her slap on? People plaster bathrooms in less time. Then getting from the bedroom to the stairwell took 5-10 mins. She ran around screaming for another five, yet called 911 at 5.52. Timing is all wrong IMO and her appearance to police just doesn't bear her story up.

Another thing is that, in Kolar's book, he talks about how the dispatcher was upset by the change in tone from hysterical to calm when she thought she'd put the 'phone down. We talk about the voices at the end of that call, but the dispatcher's comments about the change in tone are at least as telling.
Heloise

London, UK

#49 Nov 20, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Hey Heloise,
Now you have me wondering what John was saying to himself after he picked himself up off the floor from reading the RN, and tutored Patsy through the 9-1-1 call, realizing if he didn't hurry and put clothes on, the police might catch him in his tighty whiteys.
<quoted text>
LOL. There's an image...that'll now accompany me 'til my dying days.
Heloise

London, UK

#50 Nov 20, 2013
PS. Regarding the 911 call, this is the excerpt from Kolar's book in case anyone hasn't seen it:
'Dispatcher Kimberly Archuleta had concluded her midnight shift..with the 911 call generated by Patsy Ramsey. She had driven home that morning, having a difficult time letting go of the emotions that had developed as a result of the kidnapping call. She had spoken to her son about it later that day, uncomfortable about what she had overheard on the phone call...
..upon hearing of JonBenet's murder, Archuleta nearly became ill. A supervisor directed her to her office where she sat and tried to calm her emotions. She could not get past the notion that something had been wrong about the 911 call..
..Archuleta asked her supervisor if police had listened to the 911 tape and was told that they had already obtained a copy of the recording.'What about the end of the call? Have they listened to the tail end of the call after Patsy Ramsey had stopped talking?'
The 911 call didn't end when Patsy stopped talking to her, Archuleta explained. The telephone line had not disconnected immediately, and she had heard a definite change in the tone of Patsy Ramsey's voice before the call was fully terminated. Archuleta explained that the hysterical nature of Patsy Ramsey's voice appeared to have dissipated, and she thought she had been talking to someone nearby at the end of the telephone line..'

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