Mark Klaas and Elizabeth Smart

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Heloise

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#1 Feb 12, 2012
I will admit that I had always thought that Mark was an unequivocal hero. I recently watched the Elizabeth Smart Story and was presented with with a slightly different view. What is the truth?

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#2 Feb 12, 2012
Heloise wrote:
I will admit that I had always thought that Mark was an unequivocal hero. I recently watched the Elizabeth Smart Story and was presented with with a slightly different view. What is the truth?
I have felt the same way about Mark Klaas and have respected him in that he didn't (so far as I know) play the blame game and point his finger at his ex-sife for not paying closer attention to the girls. In many cases, the man would generally do this first thing, and especially in the case of a divorced couple. So I think he really must be a very special person.

As for his ex-wife, I've never heard of anything she has said about the case which makes me curious to know her feelings, especially if she has any guilt feelings about whether she was lax in checking on the girls, etc.

As for Elizabeth Smart, I've only heard what most people have heard, that is without having seen the latest story that was presented with a different view. Can you clue me in to how they presented it?

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#3 Feb 12, 2012
Mark Klaas is a HERO! His reaction was a father's reaction, unlike JOHN's

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#4 Feb 13, 2012
Are you talking about the friction between Ed Smart's brother Tom and Marc Klass? It was a Fox News fiasco. I believe Tom and Dave (another uncle of Elizabeth) were left with some hostile feelings over the way Fox wanted Marc to handle the reporting of the kidnapping.
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Heloise wrote:
I will admit that I had always thought that Mark was an unequivocal hero. I recently watched the Elizabeth Smart Story and was presented with with a slightly different view. What is the truth?

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#5 Feb 13, 2012
Heloise wrote:
I will admit that I had always thought that Mark was an unequivocal hero. I recently watched the Elizabeth Smart Story and was presented with with a slightly different view. What is the truth?
The investigations in the Klaas and Smart cases involved 100% cooperation from the parents with polygraphs and full partcipation.

The only truth that matters is Jonbenet's parents did not do likewise.

Elizabeth is engaged and I hope she has a happy healthy life with nothing but joy.

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#6 Feb 13, 2012
Let's talk about another case,Jaycee Duguard. The police beleived her step dad was responisble for her disappearance from the beginning and they didn't look too much outside of the family. Only to find out years later she was abducted by a stranger.

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#7 Feb 13, 2012
Carl Probyn actively partcipated in the investigation and took multiple multiple multiple polygraphs administerd by LE. He did not hire attorneys and stonewall.

Not a single member of the Ramsey family took polygraphs administered by the investigation.

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#8 Feb 13, 2012
Lets instead talk about Susan Smith, Andrea Yates, Marybeth Tinning, or Diane Downs.

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#9 Feb 13, 2012
Sorry, no offense, I forgot about Darlie Routier.

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#10 Feb 13, 2012
And JR said he would be offended if asked to take a poly, whereas when it came to Carl---

'The FBI and other authorities questioned Carl Probyn numerous times and conducted lie detector tests when Jaycee first went missing in 1991. Despite the ordeal, Carl Probyn says they were just doing their job.'I knew the FBI was going to put me through the wringer, and that was OK.'"

BIG difference.
moonjack wrote:
Carl Probyn actively partcipated in the investigation and took multiple multiple multiple polygraphs administerd by LE. He did not hire attorneys and stonewall.
Not a single member of the Ramsey family took polygraphs administered by the investigation.
Heloise

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#15 Feb 19, 2012
Thank you for replies. Hope you didn't think me too rude for bowing out of discussion without acknowledging your input: just been really busy and having problems with my laptop.

Anyhoo, the thing about the film about Elizabeth Smart was that it kind of threw in the suggestion that Mark was a publicity seeker and inserted himself into that case then didn't develop the issue: it was left dangling.

Just thinking about this, though, and it seems that even there was a tiny bit of self-interest in Mark's work, he shouldn't really be censured since he does so much good. The world is full of people with completely innocent motivations who accomplish no good for mankind so should we query the motivations of those who do good?

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#17 Feb 19, 2012
DrSeussMd wrote:
And JR said he would be offended if asked to take a poly, whereas when it came to Carl---
'The FBI and other authorities questioned Carl Probyn numerous times and conducted lie detector tests when Jaycee first went missing in 1991. Despite the ordeal, Carl Probyn says they were just doing their job.'I knew the FBI was going to put me through the wringer, and that was OK.'"
BIG difference.
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"'I knew the FBI was going to put me through the wringer, and that was OK.'"

That is a very true statement. The FBI was just doing their job. When an agency or a person does a full background check and a complete investigation, they can uncover a lot. If you know somebody in the FBI, they can enlighten you as to what can be discovered and also what can be disclosed about a person under investigation. This I know for a fact. It pays to know somebody who knows somebody!

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#18 Feb 19, 2012
Elizabeth got married yesterday. Pulled off a good one from the press and got the privacy she deserves.

Didn't John Ramsey have the press pay for his wedding and sell the pictures?

There are differences in the actions of the criminally liable and the truely innocent.

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#21 Feb 20, 2012
You're late for the game. The media was not at the wedding, they received info and the covergae you read is from after the fact. If had googled on Saturday you would have found info about her engagement and upcoming summer Wedding.

To google on Sunday is a different story, as different as Ed Smart taking polygraphs from Law Enforcement and John Ramsey paying a diploma mill flunkie to hook him up to a jukebox.

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#22 Feb 20, 2012
moonjack wrote:
You're late for the game. The media was not at the wedding, they received info and the covergae you read is from after the fact. If had googled on Saturday you would have found info about her engagement and upcoming summer Wedding.
To google on Sunday is a different story, as different as Ed Smart taking polygraphs from Law Enforcement and John Ramsey paying a diploma mill flunkie to hook him up to a jukebox.
Good for them. I wish them a lifetime of happiness. It's well deserved.

She is a lovely young woman who has been through hell and unlike the Ramseys, didn't pimp her story to the highest bidder

Congratulations to them!

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#24 Feb 20, 2012
You said that right after your statement that there were a lot of media at the wedding which wasn't true, so not sure how the rest of your post relates since the first part was wrong. I am sure the family spokesperson/media/ whatever his title is (Chris Thomas) will release photos taken. What was your point about it though?
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Except I never said that the media was at Elizabeth's wedding. Just that I wouldn't be surprised if we see pictures (that she sold) in the gossip magazines.

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#26 Feb 20, 2012
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Elizabeth definitely hasn't shied away from the media since her recovery. If you don't think she's made money off of her story, I have waterfront property in Nebraska to sell you.
Your point? So what? I personally hope she's made enough money to never have to struggle in her lifetime.

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#27 Feb 20, 2012
The media often follows success stories. There is a difference in a SURVIVOR making money and a person UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF SUSPICION. She regularly does speaking engagements as well. So should she not be compensated? She was the VICTIM, so I am not sure again what point you are attempting to make.
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Elizabeth definitely hasn't shied away from the media since her recovery. If you don't think she's made money off of her story, I have waterfront property in Nebraska to sell you.

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#28 Feb 20, 2012
I took Lola's meaning as there was media at the wedding which doesn't seem true but then I've never been to Iowa, never spoken to anyone from Iowa, never plan to go to Iowa, and think the whole idea of standing in the corner to caucus is goofey.

You can measure the contrast between the surviving victim Elizabeth Smart and John Ramsey. John Ramsey was never a victim, he is the sick puppy they've been looking for all along.

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#29 Feb 20, 2012
Don't get me wrong. It was Patsy and John together but Mrs Ramsey gets a pass due to diminished responsibilty, aka gulity by reason of insanity.

They never could have arrested and convicted them together because of this fraility but now John is flying solo and Garnett went and bought all those chairs.

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