Since: May 11

United States

#24 Feb 9, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
It's nauseating
Thanks Candy
what's nauseating Cap, the book itself or specifically chapter one that Candy's talking about?(thanks Candy:D) Where can we read it?

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Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#25 Feb 9, 2012
realTopaz wrote:
<quoted text>
what's nauseating Cap, the book itself or specifically chapter one that Candy's talking about?(thanks Candy:D) Where can we read it?
Hi RT

The book isn't out yet. Candy just got hold of the chapter titles that may be final or not, but the names of the chapters alone are enough to make you barf!

The "poor me" tone is already apparent just like DOI. It's all about HIM and I would venture a guess that the whole book is a pity party. I wonder if he'll compare himself to Job in this book...again

Heaven forbid he focus on the fact that his little girl is lying cold in a grave without justice while they all just went on with their lives, never looking back unless it was convenient or profitable and still won't help the investigators

Since: May 11

United States

#26 Feb 9, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi RT
The book isn't out yet. Candy just got hold of the chapter titles that may be final or not, but the names of the chapters alone are enough to make you barf!
The "poor me" tone is already apparent just like DOI. It's all about HIM and I would venture a guess that the whole book is a pity party. I wonder if he'll compare himself to Job in this book...again
Heaven forbid he focus on the fact that his little girl is lying cold in a grave without justice while they all just went on with their lives, never looking back unless it was convenient or profitable and still won't help the investigators
Hi Cap:D
he was over JonBenet by 1pm that afternoon, are you kidding? Calling his pilot to get out asap tells me this has always been about HIM. I could barf just hearing his name knowing he's NEVER sought justice for his child but has spent an inordinate amount of time and energy seeking public approval/funds.
LOL The creep thinks he's 'Job'? That's rich..Why doesn't he try getting a JOB to support that new tootsie God rewarded him with? I don't think the sales from this book are going to keep her in KMart jewelry for long;)

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#27 Feb 9, 2012
candy wrote:
Preface
1. Struck by Evil
2. Messages from Heaven 17
3. Why Suffering? 27
4. Life in Chaos 33
5. Angels 40
6. Spiritual Roadblocks 55
7. Faith under Fire 62
8. God and healing 70
9. Love, Divorce and Grace 79
10. Regrets 88
11. Trusting God 97
12. All things for Good? 108
13. God's promises 113
14. God working through people 123
15. The power of choice 137
16. Resilience of the spirit 145
17. Saying good-bye 154
18. The Greatest of Christian Promises 163
19. DNA Points JonBenet's case in a new direction 168
20. Forgiveness: A gift to ourselves 172
21. Are the best days ahead? 177
22. The problem of Pride 182
23. Getting Close to God 187
24. Learning Discipeship 193
25. Dream of Flying 199
26. Changing Perspectives 204
27. Are demons real? 211
28. A man's legacy 215
29. Stopping the Fall 220
30. Engaging in life again 227
31. Becoming a whole person 232
32. Touches from God 235
33. Can I be Happy Again 237
34. A New Beginning 240
Appendix 243
The Ramseys have never been straightforward about anything. They talk in circles and usually the exact opposite is reality.

1. Struck by Evil - BASHED IN THE HEAD
2. Messages from Heaven - RANSOM & 911 CALL WERE FAKED
3. Why Suffering?- ACCIDENTS HAVE NO REASON
4. Life in Chaos - JONBENETS DEATH WAS QUIET
5. Angels - DEMONS IN THE FAMILY
6. Spiritual Roadblocks - BY THE SKIN OF OUR TEETH
7. Faith under Fire - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
8. God and healing - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
9. Love, Divorce and Grace - LUCINDA WAS PAID TO BE QUIET
10. Regrets - WE DIDN’T MEAN FOR THIS TO HAPPEN
11. Trusting God - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
12. All things for Good?– THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS
13. God's promises - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
14. God working through people - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
15. The power of choice - PARENTS CAN LEGALLY ABORT A 6 YEAR OLD
16. Resilience of the spirit - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
17. Saying good-bye - BURYING THE TRUTH
18. The Greatest of Christian Promises – STILL CAN’T QUOTE SCRIPTURE
19. DNA points JonBenet's case in a new direction – LIKE A FESTERING BOIL
20. Forgiveness: A gift to ourselves - IT WAS A MERCY KILLING
21. Are the best days ahead?– NOW THAT PATSY IS GONE?
22. The problem of Pride - YOU ARROGANT SLUG
23. Getting Close to God - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
24. Learning Discipleship - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
25. Dream of Flying – HE CAN’T GET IT UP ANYMORE
26. Changing Perspectives – BEATS CHANGING PULLUPS
27. Are demons real?– BURKE ONLY LOOKS NORMAL
28. A man's legacy A SON’S FALICY
29. Stopping the Fall - NOBODY CAUGHT HER
30. Engaging in life again - IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU
31. Becoming a whole person – IT”S DEMORALIZING TO LIE
32. Touches from God - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
33. Can I be Happy Again – IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU
34. A New Beginning - BOOK #3 WILL BE ABOUT WHATSHERNAME I PROMISE

Since: May 11

United States

#29 Feb 9, 2012
moonjack wrote:
<quoted text>
The Ramseys have never been straightforward about anything. They talk in circles and usually the exact opposite is reality.
1. Struck by Evil - BASHED IN THE HEAD
2. Messages from Heaven - RANSOM & 911 CALL WERE FAKED
3. Why Suffering?- ACCIDENTS HAVE NO REASON
4. Life in Chaos - JONBENETS DEATH WAS QUIET
5. Angels - DEMONS IN THE FAMILY
6. Spiritual Roadblocks - BY THE SKIN OF OUR TEETH
7. Faith under Fire - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
8. God and healing - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
9. Love, Divorce and Grace - LUCINDA WAS PAID TO BE QUIET
10. Regrets - WE DIDN’T MEAN FOR THIS TO HAPPEN
11. Trusting God - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
12. All things for Good?– THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS
13. God's promises - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
14. God working through people - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
15. The power of choice - PARENTS CAN LEGALLY ABORT A 6 YEAR OLD
16. Resilience of the spirit - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
17. Saying good-bye - BURYING THE TRUTH
18. The Greatest of Christian Promises – STILL CAN’T QUOTE SCRIPTURE
19. DNA points JonBenet's case in a new direction – LIKE A FESTERING BOIL
20. Forgiveness: A gift to ourselves - IT WAS A MERCY KILLING
21. Are the best days ahead?– NOW THAT PATSY IS GONE?
22. The problem of Pride - YOU ARROGANT SLUG
23. Getting Close to God - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
24. Learning Discipleship - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
25. Dream of Flying – HE CAN’T GET IT UP ANYMORE
26. Changing Perspectives – BEATS CHANGING PULLUPS
27. Are demons real?– BURKE ONLY LOOKS NORMAL
28. A man's legacy A SON’S FALICY
29. Stopping the Fall - NOBODY CAUGHT HER
30. Engaging in life again - IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU
31. Becoming a whole person – IT”S DEMORALIZING TO LIE
32. Touches from God - WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, PRAISE THE LORD
33. Can I be Happy Again – IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU
34. A New Beginning - BOOK #3 WILL BE ABOUT WHATSHERNAME I PROMISE
That was a thing of beauty! LOL brilliant

Since: Sep 11

Boksburg, South Africa

#31 Feb 10, 2012
Biz wrote:
<quoted text>
I preordered the book on my kindle. It comes out around the middle of March. I think most people would have loved to see a book that dealt more with the murder and the investigation details. However it is John Ramsey's faith that has kept him sane after all this horrific trauma so that is what he chose to talk about. Personally i think he chooses to deal with that aspect because he just can NOT deal with the reality and horror of what happened. Faith is an escape for him.
If he were able to handle leads and details about the murder or going before the media the crime would be easier to solve. However you cannot ask that of a person who has been through what he has had to endure. It is much more difficult for a parent to deal with aspects of the murder when they are not he person who finds the body and are left with that vision imprint in their brain for the rest of their life. Also most parents of victims do not have to deal with such horrific knowledge of the torture of their loved one. LE typically shelters them from the graphic details. Most victims parents do not have to deal with the public perception of guilt like the Ramseys did, even to the point of being investigated by a grand jury.
Therefore, IMO the Ramseys should be held to a different standard than the "average" crime victim. They had too much to deal with and it was monumental. It killed Patsy and John escaped solely through his faith. IMO I think he is likely sheltered by his lawyers and investigators as much as possible because they know he cannot handle any more horrific details like the likes of JMK talking about his "love" for his daughter and having her die at the hands of a "handsome prince" so they could be forever united. Talk like that is bound to make any father go absolutely bizzerk.. John admitted that he never did look at the crime scene photos. He just can't go there. I think he has resolved himself to surviving rather than dealing with finding the killer after all these years and all the money spent. At some point you just have to decide if it is healthy for your own sanity to keep dredging it up. Not every crime victim is as strong as people like Beth Twitty, who was able to confront her daughter's killer and go before the media day after day. However you have to keep in mind that Beth still had hope that her daughter could still be alive at the time and she did not have to deal with finding her body, being suspected of being the killer or knowing that her daughter had truly been tortured. That is the big difference. Beth still had HOPE. The Ramseys had none. Finding the killer was not going to bring their daughter back. A person of deep faith knows that god will deal with the killer's punishment eventually.
An excellent post, Biz. Lovely to see you posting again. Your input was very much missed.

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#32 Feb 10, 2012
John Ramsey misuses faith to continue his self delusion that his wife did not kill his daughter deliberately.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#33 Feb 10, 2012
I wouldn't say he misuses it, he blatantly uses it.

His relationship with his God would be a good one for a psychiatrist to examine. Like the bloke who blew up his little boys, scared to death of a court ordered evaluation about his sexual past. Go for it Boulder

THE DEATH OF INNOCENCE. Funny title. The Ramseys weren't dead or found guilty, not innocent by a long shot.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#37 Feb 11, 2012
It's people like biz and Lynette who give JR a pass on all his ugly deeds.

Like prisoners, he finds religion when it suits him and when it comes in handy to fool those who are willingly and eagerly anxious to lap it up. These are the enablers and the reasons why people like JR can go through life being excused for the UNGODLY things they do.

I have found that those who so proudly wear their religions like a badge, no matter what religion are the same people who do the most dastardly things and those who really can't be trusted.

JR and Patsy are just two examples

For JR to write a book about HIMSELF after 15 years of NO JUSTICE and still refusing to help is just another example of greed and a one way ticket to hell along with his wife

Just my opinion and I'm entitled by law to that

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#38 Feb 11, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
It's people like biz and Lynette who give JR a pass on all his ugly deeds.
Like prisoners, he finds religion when it suits him and when it comes in handy to fool those who are willingly and eagerly anxious to lap it up. These are the enablers and the reasons why people like JR can go through life being excused for the UNGODLY things they do.
I have found that those who so proudly wear their religions like a badge, no matter what religion are the same people who do the most dastardly things and those who really can't be trusted.
JR and Patsy are just two examples
For JR to write a book about HIMSELF after 15 years of NO JUSTICE and still refusing to help is just another example of greed and a one way ticket to hell along with his wife
Just my opinion and I'm entitled by law to that
Interesting opinion and I agree. One thing I would add is that
in the end, greed has a way of coming back to bite. JR may think he got a free ride but when all is said and done, he will pay.
Many people who thought they were above the law, got caught in the end. Sometimes it takes years, sometimes only a month or two.
The real ending chapter to this tragedy is yet to be determined
Heloise

Chatham, UK

#44 Feb 12, 2012
Generally, the whole 'suffering' genre of literature is getting way over the top and I'd say that even if the book were the product of someone other than John Ramsey.

More specifically, anything that is written for public consumption about this case has to be welcomed in terms of the discussion it will generate but I do wonder about John's motives for writing the book - it's no way to provide a normal life for his family.
Heloise

Chatham, UK

#45 Feb 12, 2012
Another thing that really boils my wee about John is that he tends to talk about being victimised by ST et al. In fact, he was given a pass remarkably easily. It's beeen discussed before but ST even commented that he felt a personal affinity with John and he seemed inclined to think that the possibility that John had molested Beth or JonBenet was barely worth investigating in anything more than the most cursory way. I don't think John did molest JonBenet and I don't think he killed her but he personally took relatively little of the brunt of the investigation. Patsy bore most it (albeit refracted through the light of huge legal protection) and it would behove John to admit it.
Heloise

Chatham, UK

#47 Feb 12, 2012
BrotherMoon wrote:
John Ramsey misuses faith to continue his self delusion that his wife did not kill his daughter deliberately.
People tended in this case to see the Hand of God wherever they looked. It's one of the odd aspects of the whole thing. At the end, even ST was claiming he was doing God's work. Which - in retrospect - wasn't his most shining hour.

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#48 Feb 12, 2012
Heloise wrote:
<quoted text>
People tended in this case to see the Hand of God wherever they looked. It's one of the odd aspects of the whole thing.
No, it's the main aspect.

Since: Sep 11

Boksburg, South Africa

#53 Feb 13, 2012
Heloise wrote:
Another thing that really boils my wee about John is that he tends to talk about being victimised by ST et al. In fact, he was given a pass remarkably easily. It's beeen discussed before but ST even commented that he felt a personal affinity with John and he seemed inclined to think that the possibility that John had molested Beth or JonBenet was barely worth investigating in anything more than the most cursory way. I don't think John did molest JonBenet and I don't think he killed her but he personally took relatively little of the brunt of the investigation. Patsy bore most it (albeit refracted through the light of huge legal protection) and it would behove John to admit it.
I'm not aware that John has ever stated or implied that he felt personally victimized by Steve Thomas or that he has ever downplayed the fact that Patsy bore the brunt of the police investigation. But there is no question in my mind that John suffered immensely and that his pain was not borne only from his own personal grief at the loss of his child and the public lynching his family was subjected to, but also from being completely unable to protect them despite his best efforts.

IMO John is the most qualified person I can think of to write a book of this nature, having experienced more tragedies in a few short years than most people will ever know in a lifetime. Not one of us has yet read the book, so to jump to the conclusion that it's all "poor me" is insensitive, judgemental and way premature. Some of us will read the book in an effort to gain understanding from it, others to criticize and ridicule.

The question has been raised as to which, if any, charities will benefit from the proceeds of the book. We don't know and it's really not anyone's business. But if John chooses to keep every cent for himself, why shouldn't he? Were any of those charities around for John when his family desperately needed support? Apart from Lou Smit and a handful of close relatives and friends, John had to pay dearly for every single thing that was ever done for his family.

Since: May 11

United States

#54 Feb 13, 2012
Lynette 22 wrote:
<quoted text> I'm not aware that John has ever stated or implied that he felt personally victimized by Steve Thomas or that he has ever downplayed the fact that Patsy bore the brunt of the police investigation. But there is no question in my mind that John suffered immensely and that his pain was not borne only from his own personal grief at the loss of his child and the public lynching his family was subjected to, but also from being completely unable to protect them despite his best efforts.
IMO John is the most qualified person I can think of to write a book of this nature, having experienced more tragedies in a few short years than most people will ever know in a lifetime. Not one of us has yet read the book, so to jump to the conclusion that it's all "poor me" is insensitive, judgemental and way premature. Some of us will read the book in an effort to gain understanding from it, others to criticize and ridicule.
The question has been raised as to which, if any, charities will benefit from the proceeds of the book. We don't know and it's really not anyone's business. But if John chooses to keep every cent for himself, why shouldn't he? Were any of those charities around for John when his family desperately needed support? Apart from Lou Smit and a handful of close relatives and friends, John had to pay dearly for every single thing that was ever done for his family.
ROTFL!

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Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#55 Feb 13, 2012
I think it is pretty clear, but still remains to be seen that the book is a "poor me" book, just going by the names of his chapters

Also, going by past precedent when both parents wrote a "poor us" book that the chances are pretty high that it's all about "poor John"

And the chances are slim to none that any charity will see any money. When they claimed profits were going to charity they didn't give any money, so why in the world would this book be different?

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#56 Feb 13, 2012
Conservatively, I can think of about 20+ thousand more qualified people.

What about other children who actually were kidnapped and killed?
What about the families of 9-11
What about the families who have lost sons and daughters in the war while fighting for our freedom?
What about the families who were the victims of mass murder?

Do you see them writing a book, much less 2 books?
This is pure “pity party John”, trying to make money off the head of his dead daughter.
Lynette 22 wrote:
<quoted text>
IMO John is the most qualified person I can think of to write a book of this nature, having experienced more tragedies in a few short years than most people will ever know in a lifetime. Not one of us has yet read the book, so to jump to the conclusion that it's all "poor me" is insensitive, judgemental and way premature. Some of us will read the book in an effort to gain understanding from it, others to criticize and ridicule.

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Since: Aug 11

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#57 Feb 13, 2012
DrSeussMd wrote:
Conservatively, I can think of about 20+ thousand more qualified people.
What about other children who actually were kidnapped and killed?
What about the families of 9-11
What about the families who have lost sons and daughters in the war while fighting for our freedom?
What about the families who were the victims of mass murder?
Do you see them writing a book, much less 2 books?
This is pure “pity party John”, trying to make money off the head of his dead daughter.
<quoted text>
While I can see what you're saying, I think you overlooked the main point Lynette tried to make:

"IMO John is the most qualified person I can think of to write a book of this nature, HAVING EXPERIENCED MORE TRAGEDIES IN A FEW SHORT YEARS THAN MOST PEOPLE WILL EVER KNOW IN A LIFETIME."

And I might remind you that within the huge number of people who fall into the categories you list, many of them HAVE written books describing their own tragedies.

Also, for some, writing is a release. It provides a means to express all the pent-up emotions one experiences when such a tragedy befalls them. And while all the writings of these people might not qualify for publication, they do provide an outlet for releasing emotions that might otherwise remain hidden deep inside.

So I believe I would have to agree in general with what Lynette has said. And agree or not, I don't see how anyone can deny the man has endured far more in a few short years than most people will in a lifetime.

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#58 Feb 13, 2012
Family loses ONLY son in war.
Child loses both parents in fall of North Tower
Parents lost 3 of 4 children in Iraq

People lose spouses every day
People lose children every day

Yes, he suffered losses, but he is not the ONLY one who did, or the only one who will. Tragedy befalls every person in every family. His is no more special or important than the next person. I agree with what Lynette said ‘in general’– he has suffered loss. I don’t believe it is worth a second book because of it, to garner sympathy and make money on the heads of two children and his wife – considering he can still function well enough to have replaced that wife. Have to remember he was dating within 6 months of Patsy dying, and trying to fly out of town within 15 minutes of “finding” his daughter dead. The man does have a special kind of grief, doesn’t he?
Ole South wrote:
<quoted text>
While I can see what you're saying, I think you overlooked the main point Lynette tried to make:
"IMO John is the most qualified person I can think of to write a book of this nature, HAVING EXPERIENCED MORE TRAGEDIES IN A FEW SHORT YEARS THAN MOST PEOPLE WILL EVER KNOW IN A LIFETIME."
And I might remind you that within the huge number of people who fall into the categories you list, many of them HAVE written books describing their own tragedies.
Also, for some, writing is a release. It provides a means to express all the pent-up emotions one experiences when such a tragedy befalls them. And while all the writings of these people might not qualify for publication, they do provide an outlet for releasing emotions that might otherwise remain hidden deep inside.
So I believe I would have to agree in general with what Lynette has said. And agree or not, I don't see how anyone can deny the man has endured far more in a few short years than most people will in a lifetime.

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