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Since: May 11

Seattle, WA

#62 Aug 21, 2012
BrotherMoon wrote:
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Faster.
WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE SHE WAS HUNG????
LOL ladyboy, you're so transparent:D
Arsinoe

Grand Prairie, TX

#63 Aug 22, 2012
learnin wrote:
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So, the arms raised above the head, in rigor mortis, is not evidence that she was suspended, and posed.
JonBenet was probably dragged into the wine celler by her arms by Patsy to hide her body as Patsy went about staging a kidnapping to cover for Burke's having killed her. Then Patsy wrote the ransom note, pretended to go to bed, then made the 911 call for the pretend kidnapping.
vickilo

Lubbock, TX

#64 Aug 25, 2012
vickilo wrote:
I've been reading about this case for years and most people who get theories taken seriously or actually discuss very long are always the same posters year after year. I'll throw in my hand tie theory anyway. Maybe the strangler saw her still twitching or something and tied her arms up and out of the way just in case she started thrashing while being strangled.
i have no idea about proxy servers or what you' re talking about. Why would anyone check that? Lol. I have no desire to sign up and join but will post if i want since this is a public site with the option of posting with no sign up. Anyway, that proves my point about any new posters among the millions out there who might be interested. Meanwhile., the arms being tied up or being positioned overhead must have had a purpose besides just the staging.
The Truth Hurts

Wixom, MI

#65 Aug 25, 2012
vickilo wrote:
<quoted text> i have no idea about proxy servers or what you' re talking about. Why would anyone check that? Lol. I have no desire to sign up and join but will post if i want since this is a public site with the option of posting with no sign up. Anyway, that proves my point about any new posters among the millions out there who might be interested. Meanwhile., the arms being tied up or being positioned overhead must have had a purpose besides just the staging.
Why are you quoting yourself?
The Truth Hurts

Wixom, MI

#66 Aug 25, 2012
vickilo wrote:
<quoted text> i have no idea about proxy servers or what you' re talking about. Why would anyone check that? Lol. I have no desire to sign up and join but will post if i want since this is a public site with the option of posting with no sign up. Anyway, that proves my point about any new posters among the millions out there who might be interested. Meanwhile., the arms being tied up or being positioned overhead must have had a purpose besides just the staging.
Please. You know all about proxy servers. You can't be posting from Ashburn, VA if you live in Texas...but amazingly enough, you somehow managed to. ;)
Julie

Whitstable, UK

#69 Sep 3, 2012
The Truth Hurts wrote:
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Please. You know all about proxy servers. You can't be posting from Ashburn, VA if you live in Texas...but amazingly enough, you somehow managed to. ;)
One example of YOU always wanting to know who posts from where.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#70 Sep 4, 2012
The Truth Hurts wrote:
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Please. You know all about proxy servers. You can't be posting from Ashburn, VA if you live in Texas...but amazingly enough, you somehow managed to. ;)
It's "pinging". It seems to work in amazing ways but just for certain people LOL
rashomon

Munich, Germany

#71 Sep 4, 2012
JimmyWells wrote:
Why were her arms up? It is so pointless but may be relevant. Even if she was in rigor and moved how did they get there in the first place? Why wrap her up only to leave the arms out? Was this staging to have the BP see her bound wrists in case they found her first? Was she dragged arms first into the cellar to avoid dna and fiber transfer? There was dirt on the soles of her feet so maybe she was dragged. We know she probably never stood in the wine cellar that night and her feet might have been exposed if she was dragged.
p.s. Please don't start with the suspension theories.
The wrist ligatures were clearly part of the staged 'garrote' scene the way the wrist ligatures were tied would not have restrained anybody. the
I think the "arms up" was to suggest a 'dramatic torture scene' involving an 'outsider'(= sexual predator).
marie

Beardstown, IL

#74 Sep 4, 2012
JimmyWells wrote:
Why were her arms up? It is so pointless but may be relevant. Even if she was in rigor and moved how did they get there in the first place? Why wrap her up only to leave the arms out? Was this staging to have the BP see her bound wrists in case they found her first? Was she dragged arms first into the cellar to avoid dna and fiber transfer? There was dirt on the soles of her feet so maybe she was dragged. We know she probably never stood in the wine cellar that night and her feet might have been exposed if she was dragged.
p.s. Please don't start with the suspension theories.

I think tying her hands up must have been done before she was killed. If you are trying to kidnap and or sexually abuse someone it gives the feeling of the perb being in control and the victim can't fight back. Duct tape is to silence them. I think it was an intruder. I still am holding out hope that he is found. imho

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#77 Dec 13, 2012
Interesting Henri you can post an hour ago quoting the same interview re: Patsy and FW knowing the note but you canít seem to locate the part about the turtleneck?

June 23rd, 1998
BDA Interview with Patsy Ramsey

23 TRIP DeMUTH: How about the red
24 item in the upper right-hand corner?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: I think it's a
0266
1 little turtleneck, a little cotton turtleneck,
2 and I had wanted her to wear it to the Whites
3 and she didn't want to wear it.
4 TRIP DeMUTH: How did it end up
5 there?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Don't remember.
Henri McPhee wrote:
Some cop must have got the wrong end of the stick about JonBenet supposedly wearing the red turtleneck. Steve Thomas later made such a big issue out of it. Patsy never mentioned JonBenet wearing a red turtleneck in her official police interviews.

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#79 Dec 13, 2012
He did NOT maintain the turtleneck was urine stained:

ST Depo (Wolfe case)

Q (Lin Wood). Did anybody tell you that they found the red turtleneck and that it was wet?
A. No, this is what I am surmising in the hypothesis.
Q. Was the red turtleneck taken into evidence?
A. I certainly believe it was.
Q. Did it have any type of urine stain on it?
A. Not that I'm aware of. I never have looked at it personally.
Q. Where did you get the statement that it got wet; did you just manufacture that out of whole cloth?
A. No, I'm suggesting that that was a reasonable explanation for the final resting place of this red turtleneck of which she may have indeed worn home.
Q. But you had no evidence to support that statement about the turtleneck being wet, true?
A. No, I don't know that it was urine stained.
Q. Or wet?
A. Or wet.
Henri McPhee wrote:
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There was an unseemly wrangle in the Steve Thomas deposition when Steve Thomas maintained that the red turtleneck was urine stained which was never proven.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#80 Dec 13, 2012
Thomas unfortunately was going on what was speculated by Dr. Spitz.

Since we learned during the Casey Anthony trial that Dr. Spitz is about as incompetent and corrupted as Alex Hunter was, I think Thomas was misled about that turtleneck.

Add in the FACT that Patsy told LE that morning JB wore a red turtleneck or perhaps they ARGUED over her wearing the red turtleneck, then was unavailable to clarify what could have been a mistaken interpretation in the police report because the Ramseys put up their wall of lawyers between themselves and LE within hours, and you've got a fertile ground for lots of mistakes.

The bottom line is ALL THE CONFUSION CAME FROM THE RAMSEYS. They deliberately destroyed the investigation with their ever-changing stories, refusal to cooperate with LE or aid in the investigation into the murder of their child, in their home, when the only people ever proven to have been in the home, all of whom have no alibi by their own admissions, are the Ramseys.

And that continues to this day.

So whatever the BPD got wrong, who could expect anything different when the parents of the victim did all they could to make sure that happened?

That's my opinion, anyway.
ronone

Pittsburgh, PA

#81 Dec 13, 2012
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Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#86 Dec 13, 2012
Henri McPhee wrote:
The point is Steve Thomas put into his book a load of bull about a 'hypothetical scenario' about a violent and murderous argument by Patsy over a bedwetting incident
Steve Thomas chose his words carefully and 'toileting issue' was mentioned in the actual theory.

It was never about bedwetting. It was about Burke and Jonbenet Ramsey being so traumatized by Patsy's parenting they didn't use the toilet for bowel movements. That is the crux of the case and trumps everything else known about Jonbenet's death. It's the history of abuse everyone was looking for. The kids behavior was off the wall absurd and out of control. That's what murder is.

Patsy was so ostentatious and pretentious even her family's dysfunction was greater than in others.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#87 Dec 14, 2012
Quote from Henri: "Some cop must have got the wrong end of the stick about JonBenet supposedly wearing the red turtleneck. Steve Thomas later made such a big issue out of it. Patsy never mentioned JonBenet wearing a red turtleneck in her official police interviews."

In Chief Kolar's book, on pg. 12 he states that on 12/26/96, Patsy told police: "Patsy stated JonBenet went to bed in a RED SWEATER and white sweat-pant type longjohns." That's why you need to read Chief Kolar's book. Because she DID say that in her FIRST statements to police that day, thus, it's HUGE significance when she later CHANGES HER STORY in her later interviews in April, 97 with the police.
The Truth Hurts

Milford, MI

#88 Dec 14, 2012
candy wrote:
Quote from Henri: "Some cop must have got the wrong end of the stick about JonBenet supposedly wearing the red turtleneck. Steve Thomas later made such a big issue out of it. Patsy never mentioned JonBenet wearing a red turtleneck in her official police interviews."
In Chief Kolar's book, on pg. 12 he states that on 12/26/96, Patsy told police: "Patsy stated JonBenet went to bed in a RED SWEATER and white sweat-pant type longjohns." That's why you need to read Chief Kolar's book. Because she DID say that in her FIRST statements to police that day, thus, it's HUGE significance when she later CHANGES HER STORY in her later interviews in April, 97 with the police.
Do you really think Henri doesn't know this already? He doesn't CARE about the truth. Fleet White did it and that's the end of the story. WORD.
Sam

UK

#89 Dec 14, 2012
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vickilo wrote:
<quoted text> i have no idea about some proxy servers or what you' re talking about how I use them. Why would anyone check that? Lol. I have no desire to sign up and join because I vuse mant hats but will post if i want since this is a public site with the option of posting with no sign up. Anyway, I nead more good icons and that proves my point about any new posters among the millions out there who might be interested. Meanwhile I order a fat cat.., the arms being tied up with cords or being positioned overhead must have had a purpose besides just the staging I did.

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