Did JonBenet Have Drugs In Her System?

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#41
Oct 26, 2009
 
I also have to disagree that a stun gun was not used. Lou Smit measured the markings which are identically the same measurement at several locations on the body. He was even able to determine the probable make and model of the stun gun by these measurements. An Air Taser, IIRC.
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Biz wrote:
I also have to disagree that a stun gun was not used. Lou Smit measured the markings which are identically the same measurement at several locations on the body. He was even able to determine the probable make and model of the stun gun by these measurements. An Air Taser, IIRC.
Smit eventually backpedaled on the stun gun, especially the Air Taser gun. It seems Air Taser has refuted those distances as well. Those marks were not made by an Air Taser. I know, it was then suggested that it might have been a "different" brand, according to some of the IDI, but it was NOT an Air Taser

I don't believe a stun gun was used; I think they were abrasions from either a ring/s, or some other possibility of what she may have had her face against (snaps, etc.)

The stun gun is only a THEORY made up by Smit and then Doberson. Doberson claims he can't be 100% sure, as he only had a photo and Smit has since backpedaled on the whole thing
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#43
Oct 26, 2009
 
Perhaps Smit has backpedeled on the brand of Taser but I fairly confident that he has NOT backpedeled on the stun gun use.
Now it could be some sort of homemade electrical torture device or a cattle prod. I have looked into that too, but I do not think it was a result of snaps or anything because each of the double marks were evenly spaced apart.
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#44
Aug 1, 2013
 
From the autopsy, NO she did not have ANY drugs in her system. Shame on Wendy Murphy peddling this drug theory for years. Someone ought to ask Wendy how JonBenet ingested WHAT SHE SAID WAS diazapam laced pineapple, yet MIRACULOUSLY, none of the drug OR ANY OTHER DRUG was detected in her system:

Toxicologic Studies 
blood ethanol - none detected 
blood drugscreen - no drugs detected

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_n...
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#45
Aug 1, 2013
 
This has been a pet theory of Wendy's since the John Mark Karr days, at least:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.p...
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From the Karr days:

TRACEY: You do. I understand that and that's why I agreed to come on. But I was watching the Paula Zahn show before and I was listening to Wendy Murphy and she was saying the most outrageous things about this case. She was saying that John asphyxiated JonBenet. Give us the evidence Wendy.

She was saying a lot about the kiddy porn that Karr was somehow involved because he was peddling kiddy porn maybe of JonBenet and this was real high end. I mean this was -- this was exactly what -- the Zahn show before your show was exactly how it shouldn't be. And, for me to -- I was appalled. I mean I was appalled by all the (INAUDIBLE).

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/2...

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What is too bad here is the fact that Tracey certainly didn't afford Gigax the same level of privacy and benefit-of-doubt that he is pushing for Karr. For Gigax he had a whole different set of values and no rules whatsoever.
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I was just reading a thread about this on another board, and it was just useless. They are clueless about HOW LONG Wendy has been peddling this OUTRAGEOUS CRAP. I remember cringing when she was peddling this during the Karr days and understood why Lin Wood wanted to sue her. It's not the first time Wendy's been TOTALLY WRONG and off the deep end about a case. Who can forget her and Nancy Grace going all the way off the deep end and believing the con artist FAKE rape "victim" in the Duke LaCrosse rape case? I still remember Wendy going on and on about "broomstick DNA" that NEVER existed. She, like the sub moronic Florida jury, also believed there was no evidence of a murder in the Casey Anthony case. I wonder if anyone will care to ask Kolar about it, they shouldn't have to, people tend to believe the most salacious lies about this case. It didn't help at all when I asked that Steve Thomas be asked a question about "sex rings" during his November, 2000 chat, the people that wanted to believe in that crap kept doing it,or when I tried to correct the record when John Walsh said JonBenet was HANGING and John Ramsey had to cut her down. Total waste of time. People that believe that kind of crap always will no matter what anyone says about it in a official capacity, and they'll be the first running from the truth in a real trial. But Wendy's CRAP is very old, and you would think people would have done a modicum of research about her and that theory and this case.
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I agree with you Candy. Wendy Murphy has NO credibility in my book.
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Aug 14, 2013
 
DrSeussMd wrote:
What is too bad here is the fact that Tracey certainly didn't afford Gigax the same level of privacy and benefit-of-doubt that he is pushing for Karr. For Gigax he had a whole different set of values and no rules whatsoever.
Why do you continue to stick up for this guy and idolize him? We know he has a record for a sex offense with a minor who was the daughter of a former girlfriend. That's a scumbag in my book.
I have talked to many people associated with him and he is no where near the saint you paint him to be. Some of these sources tell me that he is capable and responsible for even the most serious types of crime in the Boulder area. I will not elaborate since he has not been charged but it was reported to Boulder PD.

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Biz, donít be so short sighted.

Chastising Tracey is not idolizing or defending Gigax or anyone else.

I am not idolizing anyone, and I donít know where you came up with the story that I am painting him as a saint.

Try viewing it as I am not defending actions of Gigax (or anyone) that are reprehensible, but instead view it as Tracey doing a crock trying to convince you of one suspect, while holding paperwork defaming another person all in the same sentence and in the same breath so he can spin and throw another under the bus. He invalidated the very words he was speaking, and defamed another person while doing it. That is all on Tracey with no defense of anyone else.
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Why do you continue to stick up for this guy and idolize him? We know he has a record for a sex offense with a minor who was the daughter of a former girlfriend. That's a scumbag in my book.
I have talked to many people associated with him and he is no where near the saint you paint him to be. Some of these sources tell me that he is capable and responsible for even the most serious types of crime in the Boulder area. I will not elaborate since he has not been charged but it was reported to Boulder PD.

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Nobody has EVER said that Gigax was a good guy or a wonderful person and certainly not a saint.

The only thing about Gigax that relates to the discussion or THIS case is that he was NOT the killer of JBR, regardless of what other crimes he may or may not have committed.

What was definitely NOT "saintly" was Tracey's attempt to label the crime on someone who didn't commit it and worse, KNOWING he didn't commit it, thinking he would get away with it.

Fortunately, someone noticed.

There are a lot of bad guys out there. Being a bad guy doesn't make it okay for everyone else to accuse them of committing a crime that they damned well know they didn't do.

That is even MORE criminal; so yeah, Tracey takes the fall for the Gigax incident and it was and still is a very BIG fall
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I am going to tell you something that has not been released. I had a former girlfriend of JSG (who will remain anonymous for her own protection) tell me that he was the one who killed Lorraine Lawrence. Lorraine was the daughter of former Ramsey housekeeper GV
I also had a very reliable source tell me that he worked in the Ramsey home prior to them owning it. He did drywall repair and some remodeling for the previous owners.(initials DRO&PO)
A person previously VERY close to him told me that she knows of two other people he has killed over drug deals gone bad.
He has a record for molestation of a previous girlfriend's daughter.
Helgoth's family believe he was murdered but they will not have the case reopened. Are they afraid? Was Helgoth killed to silence what he was about to tell? There is an eyewitness who saw JSG in Boulder at the time MH was killed, despite the fact that he claimed to have receipts proving he was Indiana at the time.(Who saves receipts for 10 years? Sounds he thought he might need an alibi. Who's to say the receipts were actually HIS?) I think San Augustin did a great job of proving that MH could not have possibly committed suicide. He was murdered. From what I have heard his family believes this as well.
JSG had access to his ex wife's (KCG) dilapitated blue van left in Boulder at the Helgoth's junk yard. A blue van was of interest to investigators of the Ramsey case early on. This van was in the name of a deceased man who had given the van to his wife. It was taken out of Boulder in early 1997.
Whether or not he was involved in the Ramsey case is debatable but he was no saint. And MT and San Augustin had good reason to suggest him as a suspect in the Ramsey case. He isn't my first suspect but he has a lot to hide.

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