Bill McReynolds

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#2007 Aug 20, 2013
Nobodyudno wrote:
From where I sit, there are a lot of people who've lost a parent, two or more children, and a spouse. Some have lost even more than that. They just don't whine about it on public television and write books about it and profit from it for the sake of profit.
This is one of the most cogent and concise posts in a long time. You are absolutely right. Some people seem to feel that the Ramseys are the only people on earth who have lived through tragedy and the loss of a loved one, murdered or otherwise and somehow believe they should be given a pass. Most people, and I speak for many on all the forums have lived through tragedy and yes, even murder in some cases.

You are quite right in that most people who have lived through such times do not do what you have described above.

Tragedies like this are horrific and everything that goes along with it but it is not a pass to lie and not do the right and moral thing, especially when it affects so many innocent people.

The Ramsey family has decided that they are entitled to be judge, jury and even worse, God

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#2010 Aug 20, 2013
The LAW does NOT turn the other cheek when it comes to crime and murder

The only persons who turned the other cheek were the innocents/friends/acquaintance s and the only thing they got for that turning was to have their cheeks slapped on BOTH sides

If anyone can show a case where a crime has been committed and the law CHOSE to turn the other cheek rather than arrest those responsible, please provide those cases for the rest of us who are unfamiliar with the "sensitive" side of law enforcement
Spice Pond

Mobile, AL

#2011 Aug 20, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
The LAW does NOT turn the other cheek when it comes to crime and murder
The only persons who turned the other cheek were the innocents/friends/acquaintance s and the only thing they got for that turning was to have their cheeks slapped on BOTH sides
If anyone can show a case where a crime has been committed and the law CHOSE to turn the other cheek rather than arrest those responsible, please provide those cases for the rest of us who are unfamiliar with the "sensitive" side of law enforcement
How can you say with such certainty that the law does not turn its cheek when it comes to crime and murder? Have you ever been inside where the decisions are made regarding what if any charges are to be filed? Do you know what considerations are made in a plea bargaining deal? While it might be done to a much lesser extent with a murder involved, anytime anyone breaks the law, it is considered a crime.

Have you ever or do you know of anyone who has gotten out of a traffic ticket because the officer, even though he saw the violation and was completely aware of the law being broken, used his discretion and did not issue a ticket for the violation?

The same thing applies when a detective investigates a case and sees violations for which he COULD file charges. But he often will just over look such things in an effort to get to the truth and even perhaps use what he's found out to hammer home to the subject that he COULD file such a charge. Another case of his discretionary power.

And a very vivid case in point is how Alex Hunter chose not to issue an indictment against the Ramseys after the GJ recommendation.

I'm not saying the system is right in what they do. But I know it's done and more often than not, it's for good reason.

And I'm also saying that unless you've been there and know things for a fact, I think it's going out on a thin limb to make such a broad statement as, "The LAW does NOT turn the other cheek when it comes to crime and murder."

So rather than ask you to prove a negative, I gave you the examples you asked for.

Anyone who has EVER worked in law enforcement knows that officers have discretionary power and they do use it from time to time.
Spice Pond

Mobile, AL

#2012 Aug 20, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
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This is one of the most cogent and concise posts in a long time. You are absolutely right. Some people seem to feel that the Ramseys are the only people on earth who have lived through tragedy and the loss of a loved one, murdered or otherwise and somehow believe they should be given a pass. Most people, and I speak for many on all the forums have lived through tragedy and yes, even murder in some cases.
You are quite right in that most people who have lived through such times do not do what you have described above.
Tragedies like this are horrific and everything that goes along with it but it is not a pass to lie and not do the right and moral thing, especially when it affects so many innocent people.
The Ramsey family has decided that they are entitled to be judge, jury and even worse, God
I will not judge the Ramseys for anything they have done especially when you, I, nor anyone else knows for a FACT IF THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE for any of it. I sometimes think everyone would have been better off had Hunter filed the charges and let the case go to trial.

I try not to judge anyone even though I probably have since it's human nature to do so, but I do think that it's a big leap to compare the Ramsey's lossES to other's since I believe most of those people haven't had one daughter and her fiance' killed in an automobile crash and another violently murdered after being sadistically tortured. Then to have to endure being accused of that horrible act by the general public whose outcry is comparable to a lynch mob and accused then of being greedy, money-hungry monsters who have used their child's murder is something no one WHO MIGHT ACTUALLY BE INNOCENT OF ALL SUCH CHARGES should have to endure.

And finally, I doubt if such accusxations aid in the resolution of the crime. JMO

BrotherMoon

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#2013 Aug 20, 2013
Spice Pond wrote:
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And a very vivid case in point is how Alex Hunter chose not to issue an indictment against the Ramseys after the GJ recommendation.
Please provide the evidence that "the Ramseys" were guilty of a crime and should have been prosecuted for that crime.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#2014 Aug 20, 2013
Flippantly comparing the issuing or not issuing of a traffic ticket to abuse/endangerment of a child resulting in the death of that child is not even speaking to issues that are in the same junkyard. That engine is not hitting on all cylinders. There is no comparison.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#2015 Aug 21, 2013
Legal__Eagle wrote:
Flippantly comparing the issuing or not issuing of a traffic ticket to abuse/endangerment of a child resulting in the death of that child is not even speaking to issues that are in the same junkyard. That engine is not hitting on all cylinders. There is no comparison.
You pretty much summed that up here LE

There is a big difference in using "discretion" when a light is out on a car or a traffic infraction and that of murder. I am 100% in favor of police using discretion with minor offenses and young kids caught making too much noise, shoplifting, etc. It is times like these that "discretion" is not only the right thing to do and save taxpayer money, but may even be proactive in many cases, changing a life around.

Police do not and SHOULD NOT have "discretion" power when dealing with violent crimes, accident or otherwise. IF they use discretion and I'm sure it happens,(in this case, the DA had all the "discretion")it is inexcusable.

"Discretion" has its place but not in murder or other violent crimes and I do not believe that discretion was a factor in this case. Corruption was the factor in this case. It's pretty obvious
Spice Pond

Mobile, AL

#2016 Aug 21, 2013
Both of you aare distorting what I was explaining. Traffic officers don't investigate murder cases. They are on the lower rung of the LE ladder. But that is where it starts

On up through to ranks it's commonplace, even to and especially among detectives.

Then the ADA's and DA's.

But you conveniently didn't remark about how Hunter did the same and he was pointed out as an example.

And admit it or not, even in murder cases and other violent crimes discretion is used in plea bargaining.

And why are you arging over something you know little about?

I didn't say it was the right thing to do. If it were left up to me, there would be no such thing as "plea bargaining".

But some people like to disagree and they turn around what they are disagreeing with so they THINK they have a point.
Terrance

Waterloo, Canada

#2017 Aug 21, 2013
Spice Pond wrote:
Case in point: Here you have a suspicious crime scene (ruled by BPD as a suicide) with Helgoth killed by a gunshot (with the path of the bullet and placement of the gun on the wrong side of the body, inasmuch as Helgoth was left handed and these pattterns point to a right-handed shooting) plus the stun gun, Hi-Tec boots, and SBTC baseball cap. And you also have a Disney video "The Santa Claus" which includes a scene about Father Christmas waking a little blond haired girl out of her sleep on Christmas Eve night and the video has embedded in it an article on the Berrelez case.
This Helgoth thing occurred on VALENTINES DAY 1997, ONLY ONE DAY after the finger wagging speech by Hunter. Santa said on TV that he was going to update his "Christmas Story" which COINCIDENTLY has a publishing date of VALENTINES DAY 1995 and add JonBenet's name to it and give it to the Ramseys.
(The above was taken from a post on another forum)
And this is a good example of how the BPD was inept in their investigation of another crime, inasmuch as it is completely insane to write this crime off as a suicide given the circumstances. And then for them to ignore the other clues that indicate a possible connection to the JBR crime, is more than inept. IMO, it demonstrates a complete lack of the ability to ascertain from the available obvious clues whether or not a crime is a suicide or a murder.
This, my friend, is an excellent example of how the BPD did not render the same "intense scrutiny" to other "people of interest" as they did the Ramseys. Had they done so, IMO they would never have arrived at the conclusion that Helgoth committed suicide.
This Helgoth thing on Valentines Day with the stun gun, Hi-Tec boots, SBTC baseball cap, and Disney tape of The Santa Clause and Alie Berrelez case plus the above noted Valentines Day publication of the Christmas Story with names of murdered children is just all too weird.

Another post above mentions Kolar's focus on the feces smeared chocolates. Okay, that is weird too. Did anyone ever check the DNA on the feces? The reason I ask is that we all get chocolates, especially on Valentines Day; not just Christmas. Could there be a connection between Valentines Day and Christmas in this JonBenet case? Maybe Lupercalia to Valentines is like Yueltide to Christmas?

Now, about Peter the Rabbit.....

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#2018 Aug 22, 2013
Helgoth has turned out to be one of the red herrings in this case and nothing more than a distraction

It is great that they looked at him, along with others whose names are still being thrown around, but distractions are distractions. It was determined by the authorities that he was not involved in this case. Of course that may not please some of the posters, but that is the reality.

Ironic that when they are eliminated as suspects the chant turns into they weren't investigated "enough". Helgoth is one of those.

It's also ironic that the IDI accuse the RDI of being into conspiracy, yada yada but the thought of Helgoth, Gigax, Karr, and some others would have required way more conspiring than anything the RDI have come up with to date

This was not a difficult case to "solve" if you will.

It is a difficult case to figure out the who and the why and the details
Mama2JML

Kansas City, MO

#2022 Jul 16, 2014
Bump for Fiona.
Just Wondering

Mount Hope, WV

#2023 Jul 17, 2014
Terrance wrote:
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This Helgoth thing on Valentines Day with the stun gun, Hi-Tec boots, SBTC baseball cap, and Disney tape of The Santa Clause and Alie Berrelez case plus the above noted Valentines Day publication of the Christmas Story with names of murdered children is just all too weird.
Another post above mentions Kolar's focus on the feces smeared chocolates. Okay, that is weird too. Did anyone ever check the DNA on the feces? The reason I ask is that we all get chocolates, especially on Valentines Day; not just Christmas. Could there be a connection between Valentines Day and Christmas in this JonBenet case? Maybe Lupercalia to Valentines is like Yueltide to Christmas?
Now, about Peter the Rabbit.....
Isn't it true that criminals enjoy perplexing everyone and leaving false impressions in order to confuse and taunt the authorities. That is evident from the many copycat killings and the number of school killings that took place after Columbine. I think that is the case here.
lukyk9

Los Angeles, CA

#2027 Dec 28, 2015
Gates directed the sequestration insertion of hitmen the rape and hanging.
Georgie

Savage, MN

#2028 Sep 13, 2016
Mama2JML wrote:
Bump for Fiona.
Is anyone interested in new information about the McReynolds?
berrytea333

Saint Louis, MO

#2029 Sep 13, 2016
Georgie wrote:
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Is anyone interested in new information about the McReynolds?
You can go ahead and post it, but I doubt if the information will be truly new.
Georgie

Savage, MN

#2030 Sep 13, 2016
berrytea333 wrote:
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You can go ahead and post it, but I doubt if the information will be truly new.
It actually IS new. One is quite recent (April 2015) written by Janet McReynolds and the other is an in depth review of her novel, "I have a great desire". She wrote a brief synopsis of her life story and actually titled it accordingly. There's a lot of information there for those who have followed closely through the years.
Georgie

Savage, MN

#2031 Sep 14, 2016
Here we go. According to Janet (as she stated in 2015) she and Bill only had two children together - one is Jill and the other is Tristan. Also, she and Bill met nine years before they married. She married her first husband when she was 17 and he was 20 in Memphis, TN.

Since: Jul 16

Melbourne, Australia

#2032 Sep 14, 2016
Georgie wrote:
Here we go. According to Janet (as she stated in 2015) she and Bill only had two children together - one is Jill and the other is Tristan. Also, she and Bill met nine years before they married. She married her first husband when she was 17 and he was 20 in Memphis, TN.
Hi Georgie, I am interested Georgie in any new information you have. I remember you from way back. I think it was it Crime Library
Georgie

United States

#2033 Sep 17, 2016
When Bill died, Janet reported that she found Bill dead upon returning from a short trip. However, in 2015 she stated that she had gone to visit her mother in Texas when her sister, who took care of the mother was on vacation. Now Janet says when she tried calling Bill and couldn't reach him, she contacted the police and requested a welfare check. She (now) states it was the police who found him dead.
Leila Crist

Clarion, PA

#2034 Sep 19, 2016
Georgie wrote:
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Why don't you ask her? Here's her Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php...
Did the McReynolds have an adult son in their home
at the time of JonBenet's murder?

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