Bill McReynolds
biz

Port Richey, FL

#1986 Aug 18, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Had other persons FAILED the scrutiny as badly as the Ramseys, they would have become suspects too! But the fact is they didn’t!
They cooperated
They gave DNA
They gave handwriting
They gave interviews
THEY WERE ELIMINATED!
Please source the BPD based their interest on the Ramseys “purely on the basis of statistics.”
If you cannot, your OPINION needs to extend to that statement as well as “one cannot use statistical data to solve a homicide.”
I do agree statistics “can” be manipulated. After all, manipulated stats seem to be the backbone of the IDI viewpoint, IMO…LOL!
If you have proof that ANY statistics were manipulated in the Ramsey case, please post it. If not, it is just more chatter.
Just because the BPD/FBI/CBI didn’t keep investigating previously cleared individuals for 17 years, doesn’t mean that they didn’t look into the people carefully enough or adequately enough clear them. The IDI seem to forget that these people cooperated with the investigation and were cleared. What a novel idea! Perhaps the Ramseys should have tried that approach – if they were innocent – it certainly couldn’t have hurt the investigation. Point in case: Ole Smitty didn’t find that illusive ninja band of intruders either, and according to some – he was the BEST that ever touched this case!
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THE RAMSEYS GAVE INTERVIEWS
THE RAMSEYS COOPERATED (Boulder PD made it clear they were only going to focus on the Ramseys)
THE RAMSEYS GAVE DNA!
THE RAMSEYS GAVE HANDWRITING
THE RAMSEYS WERE ELIMINATED!

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#1987 Aug 18, 2013
Did your Shift key get stuck, or are you yelling like always?

Yes Biz, 4 months later the Ramseys gave interviews according to their own "rules/restrictions" and with their lawyer either objecting to almost every question or answering it for them, they wouldn't take a FBI polygraph, they copped an attitude and acted like they were being persecuted because anyone dared want to ask them questions about their dead daughter, and then they just walked away from it all - for good!

Only Lacy cleared them. Lacy also arrested Karr - another fiasco.
biz wrote:
<quoted text>
THE RAMSEYS GAVE INTERVIEWS
THE RAMSEYS COOPERATED (Boulder PD made it clear they were only going to focus on the Ramseys)
THE RAMSEYS GAVE DNA!
THE RAMSEYS GAVE HANDWRITING
THE RAMSEYS WERE ELIMINATED!
FCG

Calgary, Canada

#1988 Aug 18, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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why are you here?
Because he's interested in the case?? Just a shot in the dark, but there's probably a bit of viability to this guess.
FCG

Calgary, Canada

#1989 Aug 18, 2013
Mama2JML wrote:
<quoted text>The opinions expressed above are not based upon facts.
Everybody's got one, Mamma!
Spice Pond

Mobile, AL

#1990 Aug 18, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
If anyone thinks about this properly, the Ramseys had their own investigators, they had Smit, they had Tracey, and others on the RST If there was even an iota of suspicion about any one of the names that are and have been thrown out over the years, that would have pursued and advertised.
That is also assuming that the authorities did not investigate anyone "enough". It's become cliché and stale that anyone wasn't investigated "enough" and just plain silly at this point after so many years. The Ramseys had the means and the manpower to investigate anyone they wanted.
Once the police have information that someone could not have committed the crime, there is no longer a need to continue to investigate them. Internet posters who continue to second guess the investigation, of which they have NO REAL KNOWLEDGE of the details of any investigation, it shows either ignorance or denial.
At some point, or not, people will have to accept the fact that the people that the Ramseys and their team have pointed fingers at are not the murderers or their own investigators and Smit would have never let it alone, plain and simple
As it stands, the only logical conclusion is that a Ramsey is responsible for this crime IMO no matter which Ramsey it ends up being.
The Ramseys know what happened that night and no amount of investigating "elsewhere" will change that
First, I'd like to say that when you say, "Internet posters who continue to second guess the investigation, of which they have NO REAL KNOWLEDGE of the details of any investigation, it shows either ignorance or denial" can apply to both sides.

Now, I stand by everything I've said and will state further, IN MY OPINION -- I BELIEVE there are indications that the Ramseys covered up certain aspects of the case.

So in looking at things with this in mind, it can be possible that they DO know what happened that night and since this knowledge can possibly lead back to a member of their family, they decided their best course would be to cover up for that person.

For instance, if they found out that John Mark Karr indeed WAS guilty but he had acted in collusion with a family member, it would behoove them to cover up the crime, believing what they had been told about it. Their reasoning was that they felt they were responsible in a way since the cause of the crime was a jealousy festering in their family member. And they felt guilty in not seeing that jealousy and dealing with it before it resulted in the death of their child.

Also, perhaps they felt that rather than punish the family member for something that THEY possibly could have prevented, they chose to try to rehabilitate the member through therapy and their support and forgiveness, which (if this is the case) might be working.

So, in order to keep John Mark Karr from revealing his "connection" to the family and what transpired that night, they have been forced to cover for him, too.

I'm not going into detail about all this, but I can sympathize with their struggle in trying to save the life (so to speak) of a family member who had been blinded by their feeling of envy of John's lavishness toward his new family and his (John's) apathy toward his former family.

IOW, they were finally forced to deal with a situation they should have seen earlier, before it exploded. And IF this WAS the case, it seems to have turned out well for them.

Some might ask why they would NOT want justice for JonBenet? To which I would say that they might feel that THIS is all the justice that JonBenet, herself, would have wanted.

Perhaps sometimes justice is not achieved with punishment. Or just maybe John Ramsey is living the punishment he feels he deserves.

All this is supposition along with my own theory and opinions.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#1991 Aug 18, 2013
Spice Pond wrote:
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Perhaps sometimes justice is not achieved with punishment. Or just maybe John Ramsey is living the punishment he feels he deserves.
All this is supposition along with my own theory and opinions.
What punishment? His life seems to be sailing along quite nicely, if you ask me.
Spice Pond

Mobile, AL

#1992 Aug 18, 2013
thewhitewitchone wrote:
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What punishment? His life seems to be sailing along quite nicely, if you ask me.
It's been said that he lives in a state of despair...

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#1993 Aug 18, 2013
Spice Pond wrote:
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It's been said that he lives in a state of despair...
His life and his actions would suggest otherwise.

Since: May 11

AOL

#1994 Aug 18, 2013
thewhitewitchone wrote:
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His life and his actions would suggest otherwise.
Hi White:D
We all should live in such despair! He's crying all the way to the bank...and getting there by his plane or boat. Bummer.
Heloise

London, UK

#1995 Aug 19, 2013
Spice Pond wrote:
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It's been said that he lives in a state of despair...
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The title of his recent book (From Grief to Grace) would suggest that the despair had passed. He does talks on how to manage the media when disaster strikes. I don't think this is compatible with despair.

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#1996 Aug 19, 2013
WWI, RT, Heloise -

I totally agree with all three of you. The IDI must trot out their ninja intruder conapiracy theory every few months, so what we are now seeing is yet another rerun - nothing but speculation and is meant to incite, misdirect, and garner sympathy for poor JR and his new wife and their millions.
They have nothing else.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#1997 Aug 19, 2013
thewhitewitchone wrote:
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What punishment? His life seems to be sailing along quite nicely, if you ask me.
I agree. Life has been kinder to them than many others. Life has also not sailed along quite nicely for the people who have paid the price of befriending them. The "punishment" was for anyone who dared..........but NOT the Ramseys

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#1998 Aug 19, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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Hi White:D
We all should live in such despair! He's crying all the way to the bank...and getting there by his plane or boat. Bummer.
Hi there RT

Yeah, it's tough to be able to be unemployed after such a tragedy and never have to worry about how to support yourself and the family eh? I guess people have differing definitions of despair LOL

No need to work either. If they need a few bucks, John can just pull out the "sentimental" memorabilia and continue to sell them to the highest bidder or write another self pity book. The whole family has a permanent income with the name of JonBenet Ramsey

Yeah, that's real despair!

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#1999 Aug 19, 2013
biz wrote:
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THE RAMSEYS GAVE INTERVIEWS
THE RAMSEYS COOPERATED (Boulder PD made it clear they were only going to focus on the Ramseys)
THE RAMSEYS GAVE DNA!
THE RAMSEYS GAVE HANDWRITING
THE RAMSEYS WERE ELIMINATED!
The Ramseys did nothing more than they would have been mandated to do. You know that, I know that and everyone knows that

They did NOT cooperate

Boulder PD did NOT make it clear that they were only focusing on the Ramseys. The spin team say that because the Ramseys were the ONLY ones who didn't want to find the killer! The Ramseys were the ONLY ones who wouldn't willingly cooperate. The Ramseys and their spinners continue to say that to the masses hoping some of them will buy it and so many have. What else could they possibly say that would explain the family of the victim running away as fast as they could? Not much

No matter how many times you twist it, it won't change the reality of the Ramseys lack of cooperation......and they claimed to love her

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#2000 Aug 19, 2013
I agree here with you. It is the friends of the Ramseys who have suffered more having their lives turned upside down while "doing the right thing" and helping with the investigation when asked. There was no conspiracy, period!(trying to spell it correctly here since I butchered it above)

There is nothing vlid that even hints of a conspiracy. Just saying it doesn't make it true.
Capricorn wrote:
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I agree. Life has been kinder to them than many others. Life has also not sailed along quite nicely for the people who have paid the price of befriending them. The "punishment" was for anyone who dared..........but NOT the Ramseys
Nobodyudno

Cub Run, KY

#2002 Aug 19, 2013
From where I sit, there are a lot of people who've lost a parent, two or more children, and a spouse. Some have lost even more than that. They just don't whine about it on public television and write books about it and profit from it for the sake of profit.
Spice Pond

Mobile, AL

#2003 Aug 19, 2013
Nobodyudno wrote:
From where I sit, there are a lot of people who've lost a parent, two or more children, and a spouse. Some have lost even more than that. They just don't whine about it on public television and write books about it and profit from it for the sake of profit.
I won't dispute what you're saying at all except to say that the circumstances of HIS losses are probably more of a violent nature than most others' we hear of. But when so many people believe they killed their child, I can't blame them (or rather, him) for going on the defensive. Actually, none of us can really say why he's using a tactic that seems to us to be unacceptable. But I'm willing to overlook all this for our purposes here, simply because we DON'T know ALL his circumstances.

And even though I think he's covering up the role he and Patsy played in the crime, I DO NOT believe that either he or Patsy themselves killed their child. But I think they know who did and that's what they're covering up.

I just don't see that attacking each other on forums benefits either side.
Nobodyudno

Cub Run, KY

#2004 Aug 19, 2013
Spice Pond wrote:
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I won't dispute what you're saying at all except to say that the circumstances of HIS losses are probably more of a violent nature than most others' we hear of. But when so many people believe they killed their child, I can't blame them (or rather, him) for going on the defensive. Actually, none of us can really say why he's using a tactic that seems to us to be unacceptable. But I'm willing to overlook all this for our purposes here, simply because we DON'T know ALL his circumstances.
And even though I think he's covering up the role he and Patsy played in the crime, I DO NOT believe that either he or Patsy themselves killed their child. But I think they know who did and that's what they're covering up.
I just don't see that attacking each other on forums benefits either side.
I understand where you are coming from, however, the Ramseys obstructed justice by refusing to cooperate once JonBenet's death had been established.

If, as you said you believed, they are covering up then that's just a sugar-coated way of saying you believe they lied about their daughter's death and I can agree with that.
Spice Pond

Mobile, AL

#2005 Aug 19, 2013
Nobodyudno wrote:
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I understand where you are coming from, however, the Ramseys obstructed justice by refusing to cooperate once JonBenet's death had been established.
If, as you said you believed, they are covering up then that's just a sugar-coated way of saying you believe they lied about their daughter's death and I can agree with that.
It might be sugar-coating, but I see no need to throw stones at the parents. If what I think is correct (and I do NOT guarantee that it is), they had an anguishing decision to make as well as having to endure the tragic loss of their child. And after they made their decision concerning how they should deal with the former, they still had the weight of their sorrow in their hearts. And after all, if their lies had been exposed, they then would have been charged with a crime, which IMO wouldn't serve a constructive purpose for anyone involved.

So while what you say is true about the Obstruction of Justice issue, oftentimes the law turns its cheek rather than cause more hurt/harm by insisting on punishment. Maybe such things fit the criteria of having the punishment fit the crime.

I want to stress that mine is only a theory based on my opinion, and while I can't guarantee my theory is correct and right on target, I do believe it fits the crime as we've known it more than any other theory that's been presented.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#2006 Aug 20, 2013
Nobodyudno wrote:
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I understand where you are coming from, however, the Ramseys obstructed justice by refusing to cooperate once JonBenet's death had been established.
If, as you said you believed, they are covering up then that's just a sugar-coated way of saying you believe they lied about their daughter's death and I can agree with that.
The Ramseys not only obstructed justice and lied about their daughter's death. Yes it is sugar coating and basically what that means is "guilty with an explanation". There is a reason we have courts and juries. We cannot justify and "forgive" if you will, the actions of others when it comes to murder. That is up to the courts.

It's akin to the Menendez brothers throwing themselves on the mercy of the court because they are orphans!

Covering up a murder, regardless of who it was or why the Ramseys covered it up is WRONG morally, ethically and legally. Not only that, even if one "understands" why it was done and has somehow justified it, the pain that their cover up caused so many other people is unforgiveable, period

There is no justifiable explanation for what they have done

The sugar coating is sweet but wrong on every level

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