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Did every one of Patsy's clothes have "fibers consistent with" the fibers on the tape? What a ludicrous statement. Thanks for dropping in just to say something obnoxious Deb, LOL.
Maybe she only wore clothes manufactured by one company, yeah, that's probably it. Like her jewelry was all from K-Mart or WalMart. I forget which of those prestigious companies produced the jewelry that was so important that it was stolen in the Atlanta burglary. I am surprised you IDI haven't started circulating that the jacket the fibers were from was pre-owned and she purchased it from a thrift shop or something. Keep spinning Deb.
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Oh, good point about the thrift shop, LMAO, I hadn't thought of that. Apparently they didn't either.

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Hey - that JR was super safety conscious wasn't he? My favorite story of Atlanta was him getting locked in a bathroom on a door that opened into the room he was in. How does that work again?
my favorite security conscious moment of that JR's is the hidden cameras he had installed in the hellhole after the murder and after they moved. That JR, always with his thumb on the pulse;)

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my favorite security conscious moment of that JR's is the hidden cameras he had installed in the hellhole after the murder and after they moved. That JR, always with his thumb on the pulse;)
Hi rT,

He should have placed them in the Atlanta house. I for one want to know how he got locked in the bathroom! I don't know if I ever heard about him putting cameras in the Boulder house. That was a day late and a dollar short, wasn't it? Like you said - thumb on the pulse!

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Hi rT,
He should have placed them in the Atlanta house. I for one want to know how he got locked in the bathroom! I don't know if I ever heard about him putting cameras in the Boulder house. That was a day late and a dollar short, wasn't it? Like you said - thumb on the pulse!
Hi LE:D
The cameras post murder were to spy on police..it's in Kolar's book. Nothing says GUILTY like spying on the investigation while you refuse to talk to police.

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realTopaz wrote:
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Hi LE:D
The cameras post murder were to spy on police..it's in Kolar's book. Nothing says GUILTY like spying on the investigation while you refuse to talk to police.
Hi rT,
I am on pg 450, so it must be after that. Then there was also getting copies of the interviews and everything pertaining to the investigation so you can keep your stories straight, LOL! Smit erased the lines (if he ever knew them) of work product and which side of the fence it belonged on.

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Legal__Eagle wrote:
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Hi rT,
I am on pg 450, so it must be after that. Then there was also getting copies of the interviews and everything pertaining to the investigation so you can keep your stories straight, LOL! Smit erased the lines (if he ever knew them) of work product and which side of the fence it belonged on.
Hi LE:D
It starts on page 132 bottom page last paragraph. It's infuriating!I can't believe how many games the Ramseys played and how they were allowed to skate. WHO does this stuff that's innocent???
LOL The R's couldn't be bothered to set an alarm, but once the house was empty and only police coming and going, they got busy wiring FOUR CAMERAS. Yeah, yeah I know..the Ramsey's feared someone would steal the light bulbs.
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realTopaz wrote:
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Hi LE:D
It starts on page 132 bottom page last paragraph. It's infuriating!I can't believe how many games the Ramseys played and how they were allowed to skate. WHO does this stuff that's innocent???
LOL The R's couldn't be bothered to set an alarm, but once the house was empty and only police coming and going, they got busy wiring FOUR CAMERAS. Yeah, yeah I know..the Ramsey's feared someone would steal the light bulbs.
I think it's most unlikely that John Ramsey installed security cameras after the JonBenet murder, any more than Dr. MacDonald had any control of his apartment after the MacDonald murders. Is this something mentioned in this new Kolar Ramsey case book? Where did Kolar get that information? From Tricia?

I would have thought that it was a decison made by the Boulder Police Department and they would have had control of those cameras. There was a report that John Ramsey never visited that Boulder house again, but he did drive past it once.

There was some rumor that Boulder cops held parties in that Ramsey house after the murder but I don't know if that's true or not. I don't know if Steve Thomas ever told Fleet and Priscilla White about those security cameras.

I think there should be a presidential pardon for the Ramseys and for Dr. MacDonald instead of Clinton giving that Rich billionaire drug dealer a presidential pardon. That sounded fishy to me.

I don't like the way Tony Blair is feathering his nest by supporting the banks, and also out of date monarchies in the Middle East, while at the same time scrapping disability living allowance in the UK, and paying many billions in overseas aid to corrupt regimes abroad. That's not equitable administration.

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Henri, it seems JTF best summed up your posts when they said this:
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Henri, you are the king of loose thought content.
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I am sure they traced the camera installation back to JR. He didnít install them himself, so he probably didnít go back to the HH.

Nice of you to mention rumors of the BPD since you have no way of backing that up. More waffle?

Like the rumors/musings about Tricia? Funny how none of you IDI know her but don't mind saying disparaging things about her wondering what she told Kolar or if she will make money from his book. Must be slam Tricia week again.

What difference would it have made if FW knew about the cameras?

Who cares about Clinton and Blair? Are they involved in this case?
Henri McPhee wrote:
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I think it's most unlikely that John Ramsey installed security cameras after the JonBenet murder, any more than Dr. MacDonald had any control of his apartment after the MacDonald murders. Is this something mentioned in this new Kolar Ramsey case book? Where did Kolar get that information? From Tricia?
I would have thought that it was a decison made by the Boulder Police Department and they would have had control of those cameras. There was a report that John Ramsey never visited that Boulder house again, but he did drive past it once.
There was some rumor that Boulder cops held parties in that Ramsey house after the murder but I don't know if that's true or not. I don't know if Steve Thomas ever told Fleet and Priscilla White about those security cameras.
I think there should be a presidential pardon for the Ramseys and for Dr. MacDonald instead of Clinton giving that Rich billionaire drug dealer a presidential pardon. That sounded fishy to me.
I don't like the way Tony Blair is feathering his nest by supporting the banks, and also out of date monarchies in the Middle East, while at the same time scrapping disability living allowance in the UK, and paying many billions in overseas aid to corrupt regimes abroad. That's not equitable administration.

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Henri, it seems JTF best summed up your posts when they said this:
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I am sure they traced the camera installation back to JR. He didnít install them himself, so he probably didnít go back to the HH.
Nice of you to mention rumors of the BPD since you have no way of backing that up. More waffle?
Like the rumors/musings about Tricia? Funny how none of you IDI know her but don't mind saying disparaging things about her wondering what she told Kolar or if she will make money from his book. Must be slam Tricia week again.
What difference would it have made if FW knew about the cameras?
Who cares about Clinton and Blair? Are they involved in this case?
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Yes, it's slam Tricia week once again. Notice who the bashers are and why and it isn't surprising at all

I'm also thinking that like another person who shall remain nameless and owned a forum of her own, henri may also be getting PAID to do what he does. It's either that or he really is nuts. It's a tough decision, but I'm starting to lean, now that I am also convinced that Smit was corrupt instead of a true believer,that Henri is making money from spreading lies and false information. The trick is to just look like a fruitcake while he laughs all the way to the bank

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realTopaz wrote:
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Hi LE:D
It starts on page 132 bottom page last paragraph. It's infuriating!I can't believe how many games the Ramseys played and how they were allowed to skate. WHO does this stuff that's innocent???
LOL The R's couldn't be bothered to set an alarm, but once the house was empty and only police coming and going, they got busy wiring FOUR CAMERAS. Yeah, yeah I know..the Ramsey's feared someone would steal the light bulbs.
It's amazing how the Ramseys got away with so much. Although we all knew that they were skating free, the way in which they blatantly did it and lied and used espionage on the police is in fact infuriating, and as a taxpayer in Colorado, they SHOULD be furious at how it was allowed to happen

However, people in Boulder just don't seem to care. The Ramseys were true scam artists and sneaky CRIMINALS in this crime and the majority of the public know it and just can't do much about it other than state the facts and the truth on message boards

I am so glad this book came out and confirmed much of what we have been saying for many years; too many

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Capricorn wrote:
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It's amazing how the Ramseys got away with so much. Although we all knew that they were skating free, the way in which they blatantly did it and lied and used espionage on the police is in fact infuriating, and as a taxpayer in Colorado, they SHOULD be furious at how it was allowed to happen
However, people in Boulder just don't seem to care. The Ramseys were true scam artists and sneaky CRIMINALS in this crime and the majority of the public know it and just can't do much about it other than state the facts and the truth on message boards
I am so glad this book came out and confirmed much of what we have been saying for many years; too many
Hi Cap:D
It's like JR said, "we thought Boulder was a safe place..still do."

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It turned out particularly well for him, didn't it, LOL?
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Hi Cap:D
It's like JR said, "we thought Boulder was a safe place..still do."
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Patsy didn't do it.
It was an intruder, who baffled the world of us RDIs, who didn't make any footprints in the snow, left no trace of a break in, left no fingerprints, or shoe tracks, killed JB, then wrote a 3 page ransom note, left a partial non-matching DNA profile on her over sized panties, longjohns, and under her fingernails which some believe matched, but didn't leave any DNA on the garrote, then left the home without leaving a trace.

The Ramsey family stonewalled the investigations because they believed that the police were out to frame them for the murder of their daughter, and avoided the police and FBI polygraph testing because they believed it was rigged to make them look guilty.

Gee! How stupid of us RDIs not being able to see what these SMART IDIs know! LOL!!!!!

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It turned out particularly well for him, didn't it, LOL?
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yes it did! Especially once he left Boulder like a thief in the night and took those other outcasts with him. Then he was safe to play detective/profiler with Smit and write offense letter to 'the people of Boulder' stating how lucky the killer got when the BPD came on the scene. Big man once he was assured the fix was in.

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Bakatari wrote:
Patsy didn't do it.
It was an intruder, who baffled the world of us RDIs, who didn't make any footprints in the snow, left no trace of a break in, left no fingerprints, or shoe tracks, killed JB, then wrote a 3 page ransom note, left a partial non-matching DNA profile on her over sized panties, longjohns, and under her fingernails which some believe matched, but didn't leave any DNA on the garrote, then left the home without leaving a trace.
The Ramsey family stonewalled the investigations because they believed that the police were out to frame them for the murder of their daughter, and avoided the police and FBI polygraph testing because they believed it was rigged to make them look guilty.
Gee! How stupid of us RDIs not being able to see what these SMART IDIs know! LOL!!!!!
CC
***JR knew full well WHO killed his child. He E-mailed (2) people. I was one of them. He wanted to know the location of Bill Ramsey. Both individuals gave JR the current location in NJ. The problem is: 1)Bill moved & changed his name---AGAIN./ 2)BPD won't risk having egg on their face after the MK circus.* Let us ALL agree for one moment that William ( Bill ) R----- IS the murderer and that JR DID pay this man a sum of money every Christmas Eve, but NOT the year of JB'S death.( Papa said no more handouts. Put on your big boy pants and get a job!) Don't you think that JR above all people would know HOW DANGEROUS this man IS! According to BR, he had been receiving his lump sum (INHERITANCE) for a long time. WHY else was it so important to get out of town ASAP, while his child laid dead on the floor?
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<quoted text>***JR knew full well WHO killed his child. He E-mailed (2) people. I was one of them. He wanted to know the location of Bill Ramsey. Both individuals gave JR the current location in NJ. The problem is: 1)Bill moved & changed his name---AGAIN./ 2)BPD won't risk having egg on their face after the MK circus.* Let us ALL agree for one moment that William ( Bill ) R----- IS the murderer and that JR DID pay this man a sum of money every Christmas Eve, but NOT the year of JB'S death.( Papa said no more handouts. Put on your big boy pants and get a job!) Don't you think that JR above all people would know HOW DANGEROUS this man IS! According to BR, he had been receiving his lump sum (INHERITANCE) for a long time. WHY else was it so important to get out of town ASAP, while his child laid dead on the floor?
Hi Justice!
Long time no see! Where have you been?
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Most of the new readers will not have heard about the Fiber, handwriting, etc., use of acronyms, use of double indented paragraphs, all found in the ransom note and other evidence against Patsy Ramsey in this case.

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Most of the new readers aren't new at all; just old readers with new hats
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I haven't been to the forum for months because of all the personal attacks directed at teach other, but in light of the revelation yesterday that the grand jury DID voted to indict the Ramseys, I'm back.

The fiber evidence and the letter by letter comparison of Patsy's handwriting to the ransom note had convinced me of Patsy's guilt, but after revisiting the newest evidence contained in Kolar's book (I haven't read it but ordered it today -- I have just read summaries of his inference that Burke did it), I now think it not impossible that Burke did it with Patsy involved in the cover-up.

Again, I have not visited this forum in months, so would someone in the "RDI" camp summarize what most of those who are convinced that an intruder was NOT responsible for JonBenet's murder now think?

Thank you.
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This crucial evidence the Ramsey apologists always "forget". Please save this quote and use it for reference. From the Atlanta 2000 interviews with John and Patsy Ramsey:
21 Q. We have found, and I want you to
22 help us, maybe you can offer an explanation
23 for this. We have found fibers in the paint
24 tray that appear to come off of the coat in
25 the photograph we showed you.
0184
1 A. In the paint tray?
2 Q. Yes.
3 A. What's a paint --
and
MR. LEVIN: I think that is
4 probably fair. Based on the state of the
5 art scientific testing, we believe the fibers
6 from her jacket were found in the paint
7 tray, were found tied into the ligature found
8 on JonBenet's neck, were found on the blanket
9 that she is wrapped in, were found on the
10 duct tape that is found on the mouth, and
11 the question is, can she explain to us how
12 those fibers appeared in those places that
13 are associated with her daughter's death.
14 And I understand you are not going to answer
15 those.

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I won't of course speak for ALL RDIs as there are many differing theories about the "no intruder;therefore RDI".

That said, what you should realize is that the latest news has no bearing on what theory we initially had.

The GJ wanting to indict doesn't change the theory of the case for the RDIs. Why would it? It just confirms and validates what so many already believed about the DA and the "secrecy". So far, every "secret" that has come out has been incriminating to the Ramseys

If it has changed or altered theories for any other RDI, I'd be curious to hear it myself

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