Key events leading to JonBenet Ramsey grand jury

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candy

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Jan 28, 2013
 
The following is a timeline of key events leading to the 1998-1999 JonBenet Ramsey that DID indict BOTH JOHN AND PATSY RAMSEY FOR CHILD ABUSE LEADING TO DEATH:

December 5, 1997: Then Commander, now Police Chief Mark Beckner, surrounded by his JonBenet Ramsey case detectives like Steve Thomas, Ron Gossage, Jane Harmer, announced the direction of the Ramsey case would take one of three directions:

1) Seek an arrest warrant and prosecution
2) Ask for a grand jury investigation, or
3) Inactivate the case until such time that additional information becomes available

January 16, 1998: Fleet and Priscilla White write a letter to then Colorado Governor Roy Romer, asking that a Special Prosecutor be appointed to investigate the case, and blasted DA Alex Hunter.

March 12, 1998

On advice and counsel of the Boulder Police Department's "Dream Team" lawyers, Dan Hoffman, Rober Miller and Richard Baer, both Boulder Police Chief Tom Koby and BPD Commander Mark Beckner publicly ask the District Attorney Alex Hunter to convene a grand jury in the JonBenet Ramsey case. In response, DA Hunter asks the police for a presentation of the evidence, which occurs in late June, 1998.

August 6, 1998: Boulder Police Detective and Ramsey case Detective Steve Thomas resigns from the Boulder Police Department, saying the DA's office has comprimised the investigation, and asking for a Special Prosecutor.

August 13, 1998: Then Colorado Governor Roy Romer steps into the firestorm that accomanied the resignation and letter of resignation by Steve Thomas, saying he would not appoint a Special Prosecutor, so as not to "further delay" the case, but that a GRAND JURY would be impaneledd.

September, 1998: A grand jury is impanelled in the JonBenet Ramsey homicide case, led by Prosecutor Michael Kane.

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Jan 30, 2013
 
From this, you can see that if it were up to Alex Hunter, ther would NEVER have been a grand jury empaneled in this case. The Boulder Police had to push, then the Whites, ST and MANY OTHERS still didn't trust anything Hunter had anything to do with, that he would "fix the fight" like what happened in the Sid Wells Grand Jury whre he actually told the grand jury to "TAKE NO ACTION".

One of the main positive things Steve Thomas's letter accomplished was Governor Romer HAVING TO get involved and making sure the Metro DA's, which included such excellent prosecutors as Mitch Morrissey, one of the country's first prosecutors that understood the new field of DNA, Bruce Levin, and others were involved, and MOST IMPORTANTLY now, because Hunter COULD NOT have run a grand jury, an experienced prosecutor in the form of MICHAEL KANE was brought in to run the Ramsey grand jury.
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Jan 30, 2013
 
Thanks for all your posts and updates, Candy, and everyone. Some excellent discussion on here.
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To me, the most WRONGLY maligned institution in this case is the Boulder Police Department. So many people there have put their heart and souls into this case, for years on end, that the boards never mention, because most of the posters now on the boards, don't even know what all the officers and Chiefs did in this case. That was not the case when I started posting on this case, right after the grand jury (we were told) issued "no indictments", and I wanted answers and more in depth information.

Tom Wickman spent so much time in the grand jury that his family made a video of key news events that occured during this time, so he would know what he missed when it was over. Chief Mark Beckner, a great survivor of this case, has been involved with the case during 15 years of a 16 year plus case. That is so important. He has first hand knowledge that can be tapped into, and it is the Boulder Police who have custody of this case presently. Tom Trujillo spent many years working on the Ramsey case, as did Jane Harmer, now still close, she works for the Boulder District Attorney's office. Ron Gossage still works at BPD. No one knows this case better than the Boulder Police, IMO. And of course, Chief James Kolar, a Boulder police officer for 17 years, who moved to Telluride, Colorado as Chief of Police, and was the head of the Ramsey case under Mary Lacy. I was so moved in his book that whenever he wanted additional help, he went right to the people that know the most, the Boulder Police Department who JUMPED to help him in whatever he wanted, and it wasn't even their case. Kudos to all these wonderful people for their years of service, and dedication to Justice for JonBenet Ramsey.
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candy wrote:
To me, the most WRONGLY maligned institution in this case is the Boulder Police Department. So many people there have put their heart and souls into this case, for years on end, that the boards never mention, because most of the posters now on the boards, don't even know what all the officers and Chiefs did in this case. That was not the case when I started posting on this case, right after the grand jury (we were told) issued "no indictments", and I wanted answers and more in depth information.

Tom Wickman spent so much time in the grand jury that his family made a video of key news events that occured during this time, so he would know what he missed when it was over. Chief Mark Beckner, a great survivor of this case, has been involved with the case during 15 years of a 16 year plus case. That is so important. He has first hand knowledge that can be tapped into, and it is the Boulder Police who have custody of this case presently. Tom Trujillo spent many years working on the Ramsey case, as did Jane Harmer, now still close, she works for the Boulder District Attorney's office. Ron Gossage still works at BPD. No one knows this case better than the Boulder Police, IMO. And of course, Chief James Kolar, a Boulder police officer for 17 years, who moved to Telluride, Colorado as Chief of Police, and was the head of the Ramsey case under Mary Lacy. I was so moved in his book that whenever he wanted additional help, he went right to the people that know the most, the Boulder Police Department who JUMPED to help him in whatever he wanted, and it wasn't even their case. Kudos to all these wonderful people for their years of service, and dedication to Justice for JonBenet Ramsey.
Great Post Candy. I'd also like to mention how many perfectly good careers in law enforcement were destroyed by the Ramsey slim machine. I feel thay in pursuing this case doggedly after all these years without an arrest, we are still achieving a measure of redemption and justice for those mowed down by the legions of Ramsey lawyers, private detectives, and pr veterans. Not only did they have to deal with them but also the power brokers of Colorado and the professsional Ramsey apologists who spat on justice to enrich their pockets.
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Jan 30, 2013
 
Steve Eller wrote:
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Great Post Candy. I'd also like to mention how many perfectly good careers in law enforcement were destroyed by the Ramsey slim machine. I feel thay in pursuing this case doggedly after all these years without an arrest, we are still achieving a measure of redemption and justice for those mowed down by the legions of Ramsey lawyers, private detectives, and pr veterans. Not only did they have to deal with them but also the power brokers of Colorado and the professsional Ramsey apologists who spat on justice to enrich their pockets.
That's so true Steve. So many from Ramsey alone, that should have never had to quit, leave, etc. And the cases that Hunter and Lacy both refused to prosecute, like Sid Wells and many others, the police
held fast, kept working them and and tried to get them prosecuted. And many of them Stan Garnett HAS indicted and won.

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I will be interested to see what Stan Garnett does with all these new revelations

He didn't do anything about Lacy's "exoneration" other than to publicly dismiss it, but now that there is a public "outing" of the goings on, let's see what if anything Garnett does to show that he deserves his position as the DA of Boulder
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It was so moving to hear Carol McKinley on the Peter Boyles show on January 29, 2013, in the 7:00 a.m. hour, that when the grand jury "no indictments" was announced by Hunter in a park in Boulder (to accomodate the massive media presence gathered from all over the world to see the news live), there were the BPD Detectives, officers, Commanders, in an office building high above the crowd, looking VERY angry at being stabbed in the back by Hunter, the ones who BUILT this case, who put the most time in it, and Carol said there was a lot of "screaming and shouting" at their hard work being and the truth of this case being so BETRAYED. Those BPD people are such heroes, who have had so much to contend with, from Hunter's DA's office, then from the Ramsey's sceme team.
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I had thought Trip DeMuth was jettisoned in the shake-up after Steve Thomas's resignation letter, that both he and DeMuth were not to be part of the prosecution team. BUT, in this key article, it says DeMuth, WHO LEFT THE DA'S OFFICE TO WORK FOR JOHN RAMSEY'S ATTORNEY MIKE BYNUM after he lost to Mary Keenan for DA, was a legal advisor to the grand jury, thus sworn in, thus, in a position to tell THE RAMSEYS that they WERE indicted by the grand jury:

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1998/...

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candy wrote:
I had thought Trip DeMuth was jettisoned in the shake-up after Steve Thomas's resignation letter, that both he and DeMuth were not to be part of the prosecution team. BUT, in this key article, it says DeMuth, WHO LEFT THE DA'S OFFICE TO WORK FOR JOHN RAMSEY'S ATTORNEY MIKE BYNUM after he lost to Mary Keenan for DA, was a legal advisor to the grand jury, thus sworn in, thus, in a position to tell THE RAMSEYS that they WERE indicted by the grand jury:
http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1998/...
Anyone who believes that the Ramseys didn't know absolutely everything that was going on in the GJ and in the investigation would be fooling themselves
You don't pay through the nose for Haddon's law firm and get left in the dark about your case
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Anyone who believes that the Ramseys didn't know absolutely everything that was going on in the GJ and in the investigation would be fooling themselves
You don't pay through the nose for Haddon's law firm and get left in the dark about your case
Exactly.
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I am on my second reading of Kolar's book. I have read Steve Thomas' and the Ramseys' book. I have to say that after reading "The Death of Innocence" I felt that the Ramseys were not involved. Up until reading that book, I had thought Burke was somehow responsible and that Patsy helped cover up. Then I read Kolar's book and he presents the Burke theory. I agree with him now, I think.

I am just having a difficult time getting over the garrote--how could a parent think to even stage a scene like that as a cover-up--and the tip end of the paint brush. I have heard of sexual predators keeping things as souvenirs and I wonder if perhaps that could be what happened with the broken piece of the handle that they theorize could have been inserted into JonBenet. It, apparently, was never found. Also, the new touch dna has me concerned. How is that explained if not by an intruder?

I really have respect for the officers that worked on this case. It is such an enigma, it could drive you crazy just thinking about it much less researching and living it.
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Anoymous wrote:
I am on my second reading of Kolar's book. I have read Steve Thomas' and the Ramseys' book. I have to say that after reading "The Death of Innocence" I felt that the Ramseys were not involved. Up until reading that book, I had thought Burke was somehow responsible and that Patsy helped cover up. Then I read Kolar's book and he presents the Burke theory. I agree with him now, I think.
I am just having a difficult time getting over the garrote--how could a parent think to even stage a scene like that as a cover-up--and the tip end of the paint brush. I have heard of sexual predators keeping things as souvenirs and I wonder if perhaps that could be what happened with the broken piece of the handle that they theorize could have been inserted into JonBenet. It, apparently, was never found. Also, the new touch dna has me concerned. How is that explained if not by an intruder?
I really have respect for the officers that worked on this case. It is such an enigma, it could drive you crazy just thinking about it much less researching and living it.
To me, the garotte was again, part of the STAGING, to divert away attention from whatever caused her death, LIKE THE HEAD WOUND. Remember, and Kolar's book is critical in describing this, to any perp, there is NO outward manifestation of that MASSIVE HEAD WOUND. All a perp would know is that she was struck with a MASSIVE head blow, and now she is unresponsive, most likely DEAD. And you do one of two things then, either call 911 and confess, or COVER UP AND DIVERT attention AWAY from you as the killer, and away from what really happened. ALL THIS STAGING, the phony ransom note, the loosely tied ligatures on her wrists, the duct tape applied over her mouth AFTER she died, are diversionary tactics.
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I've posted this many times, what Ron Walker of the FBI, who worked on this case, say of what parents DO do to their kids, namely every bad thing an "intruder" would do, and then some. These intruder killings ARE RARE six percent of child homicides. The vast majority are parents, caretakers, relatives known to the child. This is from A&E's "Anatomy of an Investigation":

"Well, as much as it pains me to say it, yes, I've seen parents who have decapitated their children, I've seen cases where parents have drowned their children in bathtubs, I've seen cases where parents have strangled their children, have placed them in paper bags and smothered them, have strapped them in car seats and driven them into a body of water, any way that you can think of that a person can kill another person, almost all those ways are also ways that parents can kill their children."

www.a& e.com
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Patsy killed JonBenet deliberately. No one else was involved. There was no staging for police. Everything that was done was done by Patsy for Patsy as part of a psychotic fantasy revolving around an imagined relationship with a supernatural being, the fear of judgment by that God and the fear of death. What people mistakingly take as staging for police had symbolic meaning known only to Patsy. This includes the ransom note. There were two aspects to what was done to the body: the ligatures were suspension devices, the body was posed and viewed and then taken down, placed in the small room, wrapped and the duct tape applied to set the kidnapping scene up in Patsy's mind. The ransom note is full of the ideas that swirled in Patsy's mind that night and plagued her for many years.

The goal was not to kill JonBenet but to make an Angel out of her.

Patsy herself said after the funeral "JonBenet is in Heaven with God awaiting her mother's arrival and it won't be long." Patsy put JonBenet in that heaven to complete the fantasy and in her mind assure her life after death.

As the dedication in DOI says:

Wherever we go ...
Whatever we do ...
[We're gonna go through it together ...]

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candy wrote:
the garotte was again, part of the STAGING, to divert away attention from whatever caused her death, LIKE THE HEAD WOUND. Remember, and Kolar's book is critical in describing this, to any perp, there is NO outward manifestation of that MASSIVE HEAD WOUND. All a perp would know is that she was struck with a MASSIVE head blow, and now she is unresponsive, most likely DEAD.
I disagree.

The only way John and Patsy Ramsey would have known there was a brain injury was if they witnessed the head strike, if Burke 'confessed', or if they had a portable xray machine in the closet and took some films. It's doubtful any of that happened. If they were close enough to witness they would have stopped the altercation. Burke mav have called to his parents for help after he hit Jonbenet but would just have easily said she fell, to lessen his guilt and punishment.

IMO and it's crucial to why there was a garrote, they thought she had a broken neck and were trying to cover up or account for that injury from a visible source. If Jonbenet had been taken to the ER a broken neck woould have been considered in the differential diagnosis, considered, and eventually ruled out.
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I disagree.
The only way John and Patsy Ramsey would have known there was a brain injury was if they witnessed the head strike, if Burke 'confessed', or if they had a portable xray machine in the closet and took some films. It's doubtful any of that happened. If they were close enough to witness they would have stopped the altercation. Burke mav have called to his parents for help after he hit Jonbenet but would just have easily said she fell, to lessen his guilt and punishment.
IMO and it's crucial to why there was a garrote, they thought she had a broken neck and were trying to cover up or account for that injury from a visible source. If Jonbenet had been taken to the ER a broken neck woould have been considered in the differential diagnosis, considered, and eventually ruled out.
The broken neck theory is very plausible. I think the neighbor who reported hearing a scream that night actually heard Patsy scream when she found JonBenet's lifeless body. I thought maybe the garrote was used in order to cover up where he had actually grabbed her throat with his hands and left bruises. But it was twisted a half inch into her throat. As a parent, that is difficult to contemplate. The more I consider the broken neck, it would explain the decapitation remark in the letter and the extreme tightening of the garrote.
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Patsy killed JonBenet deliberately. No one else was involved. There was no staging for police. Everything that was done was done by Patsy for Patsy as part of a psychotic fantasy revolving around an imagined relationship with a supernatural being, the fear of judgment by that God and the fear of death. What people mistakingly take as staging for police had symbolic meaning known only to Patsy. This includes the ransom note. There were two aspects to what was done to the body: the ligatures were suspension devices, the body was posed and viewed and then taken down, placed in the small room, wrapped and the duct tape applied to set the kidnapping scene up in Patsy's mind. The ransom note is full of the ideas that swirled in Patsy's mind that night and plagued her for many years.
The goal was not to kill JonBenet but to make an Angel out of her.
Patsy herself said after the funeral "JonBenet is in Heaven with God awaiting her mother's arrival and it won't be long." Patsy put JonBenet in that heaven to complete the fantasy and in her mind assure her life after death.
As the dedication in DOI says:
Wherever we go ...
Whatever we do ...
[We're gonna go through it together ...]
As a Christian, I can tell you that this would be unthinkable. Would she not have shown prior or post symptoms of this perverted behavior. Surely it would have manifested itself in other areas of her life. She would have had to be psychotic to perform an act this callous and be able to live a normal life. But, I suppose anything is possible.
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As a Christian you lack objectivity.
She did show prior symptoms.
It did manifest in other ares of her life.
She was psychotic.
It is what happened.
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Quote: " As a Christian, I can tell you that this would be unthinkable."

Serial Killer BTK was voted the President of his church congregation. He took bondage photos of one woman he killed right in the church. Christians commit murder too.

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