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Fiona

Torquay, UK

#1 Jul 14, 2014
I've read in several places that it was unlikely that there was an intruder because of lack of snow prints...but in photos of the scene there is barely any snow...so what do zRDI's make of this?
biz

Port Richey, FL

#2 Jul 14, 2014
There was NO SNOW in the back drive way and behind the house. The intruder could have easily accessed the house from the back. Seldom do they come through the front door. Shows how idiotic the Boulder PD is.
C S I

Swartz Creek, MI

#3 Jul 14, 2014
Break in the case soon
candy

East Lansing, MI

#4 Jul 14, 2014
Fiona wrote:
I've read in several places that it was unlikely that there was an intruder because of lack of snow prints...but in photos of the scene there is barely any snow...so what do zRDI's make of this?
Sgt. Reichenbach was the SECOND officer at the scene shortly after 6:00 a.m. He noted in his reports THAT THERE WAS SNOW WHEN HE ARRIVED AT THE RAMSEY HOUSE AND THERE WERE NO FOOTPRINTS IN THE FRESH SNOW HE SAW:

And the BPD aren't "stupid" either. Team Scamsey shoots off it's mouth but has NEVER, EVER produced ANY credible intruder suspect in this case. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Sgt Reichenbach states in his report that he had arrived at the Ramsey home at approximately 0600 hours on December 26 and that he had examined the exterior of the Ramsey home as well as the yard. Sgt Reichenbach noted that the air temperature was approximately 10 degrees Fahrenheit. Sgt Reichenbach noted in his report that there was a very light dusting of snow and frost on the exposed grass in the yard outside the Ramsey home. Some of the grass and yard was covered with snow from previous snowfall(s) and this snow was described as being crusty and measuring one-two inches deep. Sgt Reichenbach states that he saw no fresh footprints in any of the snow or in the frost on the grass..."

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbenet/charlev...
Grass

Swartz Creek, MI

#5 Jul 14, 2014
It was warm Christmas day then hours in the night it got cold at on point late night frost can be produced only then killer came and went before frost could be produced. IDI did it/ Bricks wee warm and cold not product frost only grass on its tips.

We know it was a idi. So many facts.
Fiona

Teignmouth, UK

#6 Jul 14, 2014
Seems to me that even without footprints, then, we can't say someone did or did not enter. It doesn't add weight to IDI or RDI, do you think?
biz

Port Richey, FL

#7 Jul 15, 2014
There were no footprints in the snow in the front of the house. There was NO SNOW in the back of the house on the driveway. Crime Scene photos prove this. So yes, Fiona, it doesn't prove there was an intruder or not an intruder. It does, however, show that there could very well have been an intruder that could have gotten in easily without being detected. That and the basement window being open to the basement, Jonbenet found in the basement, neighbors reporting a grate type of scraping in the middle of the night, the suitcase and scuff mark under the window show that an intruder could have gotten in to the house in that are. There were also other windows open and the butler pantry door was seen open by a neighbor.
Police like point out there there was no "forced entry". The intruder wouldn't have had to have forced anything open. It was already open. Whoever did this had to have had a history of breaking into houses. They would be looking for the type of entry like the well window leading to the basement since it is common knowledge that they usually wouldn't be connected to an alarm.
Just Wondering

Mount Hope, WV

#8 Jul 15, 2014
Lets not forget that this intruder sat in the house several hours before the Ramseys got home from the Whites. He sat there and wrote a three page ransom note and used the phrase "and hence". All of us know that kidnappers/pedophiles/murderer s use that archaic grammar. And he couldn't spell business but did manage to spell attache'.(Must have been a postmenopausal woman. Sometimes it is easier to spell the high end words but not the everyday garden variety.)

Also, this intruder who was street wise when it came to break-ins must have been familiar with the layout of the Ramsey home since he seemed to have no problem navigating through the maze of rooms. And wasn't it fortuitous that he planted the ransom note on the stairway that Patsy utilized in the mornings?

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#9 Jul 19, 2014
You can't give this intruder too much credit. He probably the moved around the exterior of the house searching for entry points until he found the grate that led to the basement window. If that window was locked, he never gets in, and this murder never happens. Him getting access to the house was lucky on his part, and extremely negligent on the parents part for not properly securing their house.

What he had to do beyond that was not genius work. He cases an empty house, writes a ransom note, hides, takes a child for her bed and kills her. He left a lot of evidence behind.
Just wondering

Mount Hope, WV

#10 Jul 19, 2014
Most everyone has acknowledged that the intruder would have had to have been familiar with the layout of the house. It was so big and rambling and the wine cellar was not obvious to anyone that did not know of its existence.

Try as you may, unless the perp had some type of relationship to Jonbenet and her family, you cannot successfully argue that an intruder committed this murder. There is no explanation for the pineapple she digested when Patsy and John said she was asleep that night; there is no reason for anyone interested in molesting and murdering a child to leave a ransom note; the note was too personal to be from someone who did not know the Ramseys.; and the home was too complicated to navigate through without knowledge of its layout.

And it stands to reason, that if you think the police suspect you of murdering your child but you are innocent, then you cooperate with the police so that they can clear you and move on to find the real killer. Isn't that what you want? Justice for your child? Why would you stonewall the investigation?

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#11 Jul 20, 2014
I've seen the layouts, interior photographs, and crime scene video, the cellar is not that hard to find.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#12 Jul 20, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
I've seen the layouts, interior photographs, and crime scene video, the cellar is not that hard to find.
As have many people seen the same things you have:

The stairs to the cellar (agree)
The room they are calling the "wine cellar" (not so much)

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#13 Jul 20, 2014
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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As have many people seen the same things you have:
The stairs to the cellar (agree)
The room they are calling the "wine cellar" (not so much)
The so called wine cellar is the last door visible looking to the left or straight, whichever way you orient yourself coming down the stairs. I think this intruder did case the basement first upon entry, seeing as he chose to most likely hide out there, kill JBR there, and leave the body.

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/basement.gi...

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#14 Jul 20, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
<quoted text>
The so called wine cellar is the last door visible looking to the left or straight, whichever way you orient yourself coming down the stairs. I think this intruder did case the basement first upon entry, seeing as he chose to most likely hide out there, kill JBR there, and leave the body.
http://extras.denverpost.com/news/basement.gi...
According to the diagram you presented, there is a wall directly in front of the steps. One would have to walk to that wall, turn left, turn right and go through 2 closed doors. Not exactly an open floor plan!
Just Wondering

Mount Hope, WV

#15 Jul 20, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
I've seen the layouts, interior photographs, and crime scene video, the cellar is not that hard to find.
It may not be "that hard to find" if you know it is there and are actively searching for it--as you were when you were watching the video and checking out the layouts. But not knowing of its existence, it would probably be a different matter.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#16 Jul 21, 2014
Just Wondering wrote:
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It may not be "that hard to find" if you know it is there and are actively searching for it--as you were when you were watching the video and checking out the layouts. But not knowing of its existence, it would probably be a different matter.
Excellent post, and very true.

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#17 Jul 22, 2014
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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Excellent post, and very true.
I understand what you are saying but my point stands. That basement and house are not as large as they appear to be in pictures. The cellar is clearly visible as you open the first door.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#18 Jul 22, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand what you are saying but my point stands. That basement and house are not as large as they appear to be in pictures. The cellar is clearly visible as you open the first door.
I 'hear' what you are saying, I just disagree with you. I have seen it listed as 7,092 square-foot home and as a 7,240-square-foot home.- Don't be fooled by a drawing.
Just Wondering

Mount Hope, WV

#19 Jul 22, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand what you are saying but my point stands. That basement and house are not as large as they appear to be in pictures. The cellar is clearly visible as you open the first door.
I also read that when coming down those basement stairs, it would be difficult to find the light switch if you were not aware of its placement. And, of course, the abuser must have been using a flashlight instead of turning on lights. I do not know about that, just conjecture. So would the room be that obvious under those circumstances?

Since: Feb 12

Waipahu, HI

#20 Jul 22, 2014
biz wrote:
There were no footprints in the snow in the front of the house. There was NO SNOW in the back of the house on the driveway. Crime Scene photos prove this. So yes, Fiona, it doesn't prove there was an intruder or not an intruder. It does, however, show that there could very well have been an intruder that could have gotten in easily without being detected. That and the basement window being open to the basement, Jonbenet found in the basement, neighbors reporting a grate type of scraping in the middle of the night, the suitcase and scuff mark under the window show that an intruder could have gotten in to the house in that are. There were also other windows open and the butler pantry door was seen open by a neighbor.
Police like point out there there was no "forced entry". The intruder wouldn't have had to have forced anything open. It was already open. Whoever did this had to have had a history of breaking into houses. They would be looking for the type of entry like the well window leading to the basement since it is common knowledge that they usually wouldn't be connected to an alarm.
Biz,
You are going by a report, which is concluded by photos taken hours after the body was found. There is no official report stating that there was no snow in the back of the home. IF anyone would have reported "No snow in the back of the house" it would have been Fernie, who walked completely around the house, and stated that the police did not see HIS footprints.
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