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Why did Ramseys write "and hence" in Xmas letter?

Created by JTM on May 5, 2008

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Their subconscious vocabulary

A mere coincidence

Lots of people use that phrase

They wrote the ransom note

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Rebot

Redmond, WA

#1 May 5, 2008
They wrote the ransom note, and hence, we see the same phrase written in their Christmas letter and used by John during their Newseum interview.
DETROIT

Farmington, MI

#2 May 5, 2008
Lots of people use the phrase AND HENCE, especially southerners. They used the phrase AND HENCE in their Christmas letter to make RDI`s ask dumb questions AND HENCE, you are.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

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#3 May 5, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
Lots of people use the phrase AND HENCE, especially southerners. They used the phrase AND HENCE in their Christmas letter to make RDI`s ask dumb questions AND HENCE, you are.
And hence, is not necessarily a southern phrase or expression, but it is a colloquialism common to the manner in which Patsy wrote and spoke.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

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#4 May 5, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
They used the phrase AND HENCE in their Christmas letter to make RDI`s ask dumb questions AND HENCE, you are.
There are no dumb questions for those seeking answers, just dumb people who try and fool others by saying they know inside information about a case, when they don't, but they are transparent and we see through them (sic).
Evening2

AOL

#5 May 5, 2008
The Ramsey Christmas letter was edited by Susan Stine and, hence, (with her odd sense of humor) she decided to use it in the Christmas letter as well.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#6 May 5, 2008
John Ramsey used the phrase "and hence" in the 2000 Newseum interview also.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

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#7 May 5, 2008
Evening2 wrote:
The Ramsey Christmas letter was edited by Susan Stine and, hence,(with her odd sense of humor) she decided to use it in the Christmas letter as well.
I wasn't saying Patsy and John didn't use the term, I believe they did. I was only saying it isn't designated as a southern expression. Why wold Janet edit Patsy's Christmas letter?

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

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#8 May 5, 2008
correction:
wold=would
DETROIT

Farmington, MI

#9 May 5, 2008
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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And hence, is not necessarily a southern phrase or expression, but it is a colloquialism common to the manner in which Patsy wrote and spoke.
EXACTLY. I was waiting for YOU TO SAY THAT. Patsy talked like that and FLEET KNEW IT. THAT`S WHY FLEET PUT THE PHRASE IN THE NOTE.
Nelly

AOL

#10 May 5, 2008
isn't "and hence" improper? Shouldn't it be "hence"?
Aintry1

United States

#11 May 5, 2008
Evening2 wrote:
The Ramsey Christmas letter was edited by Susan Stine and, hence,(with her odd sense of humor) she decided to use it in the Christmas letter as well.
Susan Stine is odd, her sense of humor is open to question.

Patsy credits both Stine and Roxy Walker as having "made a few edits" to the Ramseys''message of appreciation' but claims ignorance as to how AND HENCE came to be used (again):

"Actually, I have no idea why we used that phrase." DOI p235

This could go on the Ramsey Lies thread.

Since: Mar 08

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#12 May 5, 2008
Evening2 wrote:
The Ramsey Christmas letter was edited by Susan Stine and, hence,(with her odd sense of humor) she decided to use it in the Christmas letter as well.
That's bull. I've posted in other forums the portions of DOI where Patsy addresses this issue and she contradicted herself in her own book. At one point she said that Stine "edited" (and I am not even sure that is the word she used) the letter and then a page or two after she said that "maybe she (meaning herself) used the phrase in the letter because she had read it so many times" (paraphrasing). Well, which was it?
I tend to think that Patsy wrote that Christmas letter and used that phrase because it was one she was USED to using.
JTM

Ogden, UT

#13 May 6, 2008
Federal marshal Mark McClish addresses the Ramseys use of the word "hence" on his website...

The word "hence" is not a very common word. When was the last time you used that word in a sentence? Chances are you have not used it this week. We should look to see if this word appears in any writings of John or Patsy Ramsey. Well, it does. On December 14, 1997, the First United Methodist Church in Boulder, Colorado held a memorial service for JonBenet. In the program, there was "A Christmas Message from the Ramsey Family." This message was also posted on the Ramsey family's web site. In the message, we find the statement, "Had there been no birth of Christ, there would be no hope of eternal life, and, hence, no hope of ever being with our loved ones again."

The word "hence" is a transition word. You do not have to use the word "and" with it. For example, "The arcade was closed, hence, I spent my money at the mall." The writer of the ransom note used the phrase "and hence." In their Christmas Message, the Ramseys used this exact same phrase. "Had there been no birth of Christ, there would be no hope of eternal life, and, hence, no hope of ever being with our loved ones again."

In their book, The Death of Innocence, Patsy Ramsey addresses the use of the phrase "and hence."

"Actually, I have no idea why we used that phrase. Maybe we'd seen it so many times in reading the ransom note - and having to write it over and over again for the police - that it became a part of our subconscious vocabulary. Who Knows? Then again, maybe people everywhere use the phrase Ďand hence' everyday of the week, because it's a normal part of the English language."

Like I said, when was the last time you used that phrase? It is not part of the normal English vocabulary. Patsy Ramsey does not tell us why they used that phrase. She only says "maybe" it is because they saw it in the ransom note and had to write it several times for the police. She then asked a question, "Who knows?" She is trying to sweep this under the carpet as if it is no big deal. However, this is a very big deal. We have the same phrase that is in the ransom note, appearing in their writings.

On October 12, 2000, the Ramsey's did a webcast interview with Newseum ( www.newsuem.org ). In the interview, John Ramsey makes the following statement:

"The justice system is a government organization. And hence, should be looked at with some degree of skepticism."

Many Ramsey supporters believe the Ramseys did subconsciously adopt the phrase "and hence" found in the ransom note. Okay. I will admit it is possible. But lets take a closer look at the phrase "and hence." When we look at the original ransom note we find the writer had crossed out a word.

The writer started to say that upon receiving the money he would "deliver" JonBenet to her parents. He then realized that a kidnapper would not deliver the hostage but would tell the authorities where she could be found. Therefore, he changed it to "pick-up." It is doubtful that a kidnapper would make this mistake.

More importantly, an examination of the author's writing style shows us that whatever comes before the phrase "and hence" comes after the phrase "and hence."

We see the same writing style in the Ramsey's Christmas message.

"Had there been no birth of Christ, there would be no hope of eternal life, and, hence, no hope of ever being with our loved ones again."

So, the Ramsey supporters would have us believe that the Ramseys not only adopted the word "hence" they also adopted the phrase "and hence" and they also adopted the killer's writing style! Possible but not probable.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

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#14 May 6, 2008
Nelly wrote:
isn't "and hence" improper? Shouldn't it be "hence"?
You are correct, hence is correct, "and hence", is incorrect.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#15 May 6, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>EXACTLY. I was waiting for YOU TO SAY THAT. Patsy talked like that and FLEET KNEW IT. THAT`S WHY FLEET PUT THE PHRASE IN THE NOTE.
FW had nothing to do with the note.
Arsinoe

Irving, TX

#16 Jul 28, 2012
It seems obvious that Patsy wrote the ransom note and staged the coverup. Either she or Burke had hit JonBenet on the head, thought she was dead, and staged everything else to coverup the sexual abuse an emergency room doctor would find had they instead called an ambulance.
tellme

Ashland, KY

#19 Dec 9, 2012
Who was sent the Christmas letter?
anon

Walnut Creek, CA

#21 Dec 9, 2012
passion wrote:
john used proper burial , and patsy used monitor
Where does Patsy use the word "monitor"?
candy

East Lansing, MI

#22 Dec 9, 2012
anon wrote:
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Where does Patsy use the word "monitor"?
She used "closly monitored" here, in this letter she wrote when John was running for office here in Michigan:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet-rams...
candy

East Lansing, MI

#23 Dec 9, 2012
Link to the Scams 1997 Christmas letter using "and, hence":

http://jfjbr.tripod.com/truth/xmas97.html

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