Questioning Burke Ramsey
pinker

Elkhorn, WI

#235 Jul 8, 2011
Burke Ramsey knows more than hes been saying and has changed his story numerous times. First JonBenet walked upstairs awake then she was carried asleep. First he slept through the 911 call then he was awake.

Burke ramsey has the information that would close the case, end the 'mystery'.

Everyone knows Jonbenet was not murdered in cold blood just as Caylee Anthony was.

The time is coming.
Old South

AOL

#236 Jul 8, 2011
pinker wrote:
Burke Ramsey did speak with 2 detectives while at the Whites before JonBenet's body was found. This interview was expunged. Common sense dictates there would have been no reason to expunge it unless it pointed to the truth, JonBenet was alive and awake when they got home and something caused her injury. Her death was not intential.
Children have a harder time telling lies than adults. His answers did not likely match up to those of his parents to the same questions.
That first interview can never be really erased. When records are expunged they are sealed. Expungement is a term usually associated with criminal events. People don't expunge positive records.
Though rare, expunged records can be unsealed by court order. A petition has to be filed and a judge has to find merit. Has the time come to unseal Burke's past? Is that why they attempted to interview him? Presenting a judge with his uncooperativeness would be required to get the ball rolling in opening the records.
Pinker, in all honesty, I've never heard of an interview statement being expunged. Truth or lie, a statement remains a part of an investigation. Unless things have changed since I worked in LE.

Now, if his statement is sealed among his records as a juvenile, that would be another story. Can it be that parts of the case are in records in the Juvenile Division and cannot be released to the public or to anyone? Now this, I can believe. But if that were the case and he had been seen as guilty, there would be no need for him to give additional statements. The case would essentially be closed.
Old South

AOL

#237 Jul 8, 2011
Pinker, after re-reading your post, I believe I see what you mean. You said, "That first interview can never be really erased. When records are expunged they are sealed." So, you are saying basicly what I said, i.e., that his first statement is sealed. Generally, the word "expunged" is used to signify "withheld". For example, when the autopsy report was first released, parts of it were blackened out, or expunged. That doesn't mean the official report was partly erased. And IMO no statements from anyone involved in a murder case are ever erased. They might be sealed or corrected or changed in a later statement but never erased.
pinker

Elkhorn, WI

#238 Jul 8, 2011
Yes, it's very unusual for a mere police interview to be expunged... all the more reason a Judge would allow it to be unsealed.

Burke was interviewed without the formal consent of his parents which is the legal rational for it being sealed. Just because you never encountered anything similar in LE doesn't mean it couldn't or didn't happen. Lots of pieces of this case are off the charts. When you were in LE did you ever see or hear of suspects being allowed to remove anything from a crime scene?

Burke did not give 'a statement'. He was questioned at length by 2 Boulder Detectives at the Whites before John Ramsey exposed JonBenet's body, while the kdnapping hoax was in full swing. He would have been asked specific questions about the night before and what happened in the family home that night.

This interview was expunged. The Ramsey attorneys would have presented a petition to a Judge for this to happen. It's a simple process.... not quite as simple to undo but it can be done.
Lynette

Germiston, South Africa

#239 Jul 8, 2011
pinker wrote:
Cindy Anthony lied for her daughter's actions no differently from Patsy staging the bizarre death of Jonbenet to cover Burke accidently bashing in her head.
That's really not fair Pinker. If Cindy Anthony lied, she did so to save her daughter from a possible death sentence.

Patsy had no reason to go to such extreme lengths to protect Burke. Under Colorado law at the time he was too young to be charged with a crime. You may argue that the Ramseys didn't know that, but bear in mind that they had a good friend in Mike Bynum, so legal advice was just a phone call away.

These people weren't two immature irresponsible kids who would dive headlong into something as drastic as that without considering the consequences, so it just doesn't seem logical that they wouldn't have explored other alternatives if they'd wanted to protect Burke.

Lynette

Germiston, South Africa

#240 Jul 8, 2011
Kassie Morgan wrote:
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Which would be Christmas. Who doesn't take pictures on Christmas? Would you suggest that Burke never take pictures on Christmas ever again since that is the Anniversary of her death? Why would Burke not be able to live a normal life? How do you know he isn't trying to find her killer?
Good points, Kassie. Burke has had the shadow of his sister's death hanging over him since he was nine years old. Is it so terribly wrong for him to try and live a life of his own and not constantly dwell on the tragedy that occurred nearly 15 years ago? It won't bring JonBenet back and the only result would probably be that he becomes a very embittered man.

IMO he's doing the right thing in trying to live as normal a life as possible. He's 23 years old and and SHOULD be socializing and having fun the way other people his age do. I think Candy and Pinker were born old.
pinker

Elkhorn, WI

#243 Aug 11, 2011
If the Ramseys never spoke with Burke about the JonBenet 'incident' when did they learn and who told them the police asked Burke questions on 12/26 at the White's?

The Ramseys claimed they never discussed 'it' with Burke and he asked no questions of them.

How did the Ramseys know police talked with Burke and he answered questions unless Burke himself told them, unless the Ramseys asked directly if that occured?
jerry

Santa Clara, CA

#244 Aug 11, 2011
very cute pinky.

how do you think?

no one told them?

the envious haters think they can nitpick their statements to death, forgetting they were simply traumatized people doing the best they could.

your camp's insanity begins when you accept they were wonderful parents for years, and faster than a speeding bullet, they turned into lying cold hearted killers, like you.

no remotely sane person wastes their lives 24/7 spewing craziness about bleaching and dolls that have nothing to do with anything.

why did you force your children to eat, drink and breathe toxic chemicals? hypocrite
Lynette

Germiston, South Africa

#245 Aug 12, 2011
jerry wrote:
very cute pinky.
how do you think?
no one told them?
the envious haters think they can nitpick their statements to death, forgetting they were simply traumatized people doing the best they could.
your camp's insanity begins when you accept they were wonderful parents for years, and faster than a speeding bullet, they turned into lying cold hearted killers, like you.
no remotely sane person wastes their lives 24/7 spewing craziness about bleaching and dolls that have nothing to do with anything.
why did you force your children to eat, drink and breathe toxic chemicals? hypocrite
Excellent post, Franky, I couldn't agree more. "your camp's insanity begins when you accept they were wonderful parents for years, and faster than a speeding bullet, they turned into lying cold hearted killers". If it weren't so tragic, I'd be lmao. But sadly the Ramseys have had to bear the brunt of this insanity and there's nothing funny about it.

Pinker keeps focusing on the dangers of hair bleach, but as you rightly pointed out, what about toxic chemicals found in products we use every day and in the very air we breathe?

Pinker, I have done extensive research into toxic chemicals commonly found in cosmetics,(including baby products) and I was shocked by what I discovered. Mineral oil, a very common ingredient and much loved by the cosmetics industry because it's dirt cheap, is actually a by-product of petrol, did you know that? Parabens,(preservatives) another very common ingredient, has been linked to breast cancer. Do some research of your own and see for yourself. Once you've done so, will you continue to buy these products for your family? If so, you'll be no less guilty than Patsy.
Lynette

Germiston, South Africa

#246 Aug 12, 2011
pinker wrote:
Burke Ramsey did speak with 2 detectives while at the Whites before JonBenet's body was found. This interview was expunged. Common sense dictates there would have been no reason to expunge it unless it pointed to the truth, JonBenet was alive and awake when they got home and something caused her injury. Her death was not intential.
Children have a harder time telling lies than adults. His answers did not likely match up to those of his parents to the same questions.
That first interview can never be really erased. When records are expunged they are sealed. Expungement is a term usually associated with criminal events. People don't expunge positive records.
Though rare, expunged records can be unsealed by court order. A petition has to be filed and a judge has to find merit. Has the time come to unseal Burke's past? Is that why they attempted to interview him? Presenting a judge with his uncooperativeness would be required to get the ball rolling in opening the records.
I wish those records could be unsealed, so that we could get to the truth. For you, Pinker, and others like you, I think they'd be a sorry disappointment. The police wanted nothing more than to arrest the Ramseys and if Burke had said anything incriminatory, believe me, the BPD would have wasted no further time. It's obvious he told them nothing of any significance.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#247 Aug 12, 2011
Excellent post Lynette. Way to go to stray from case discussion once again. Let the games begin.

Actually, speaking of toxic chemicals, perhaps that would explain much of yours/frankys posts

C'mon, where's your serious case discussion about the green garland? Oops, did I say something wrong?:) Perhaps it's time for franky to disrupt and you to fawn, so you don't have to answer

By the way, do you have ANY source to show that Patsy wrote in cursive writing?
jerry

Miami, FL

#248 Aug 12, 2011
hi Number One.

these perfect stone-throwers behave like the rich, stuck up, high society types they abhor. Remember how often they'd threw into their arguments that we were anti-poor and anti-uneducated because we didn't hate the rich like they did?

reverse bigotry but typical of clowns happy to do anything to defame the Ramseys.

Our demon possessed, evil, sick, psychopath leads the way, mostly with her HATS!

These silly knuckleheads can't even begin to grasp what it took for a mom to kill as they are certain Pat did.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#249 Aug 12, 2011
Right on schedule!
jerry

Miami, FL

#250 Aug 12, 2011
hi Number One.

these perfect stone-throwers behave like the rich, stuck up, high society types they abhor. Remember how often they'd threw into their arguments that we were anti-poor and anti-uneducated because we didn't hate the rich like they did?

reverse bigotry but typical of clowns happy to do anything to defame the Ramseys.

Our demon possessed, evil, sick, psychopath leads the way, mostly with her HATS!

These silly knuckleheads can't even begin to grasp what it took for a mom to kill as they are certain Pat did.

the perfect discussion is deleted by you, you filthy animal cap

PM ME PIG

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#251 Aug 12, 2011
Right on cue; your turn lynette

You might want to reiterate your monkey story from yesterday for your "special" friend

Maybe you should explain the moral of the story to both of you
Lynette

Germiston, South Africa

#252 Aug 12, 2011
jerry wrote:
hi Number One.
these perfect stone-throwers behave like the rich, stuck up, high society types they abhor. Remember how often they'd threw into their arguments that we were anti-poor and anti-uneducated because we didn't hate the rich like they did?
reverse bigotry but typical of clowns happy to do anything to defame the Ramseys.
Our demon possessed, evil, sick, psychopath leads the way, mostly with her HATS!
These silly knuckleheads can't even begin to grasp what it took for a mom to kill as they are certain Pat did.
Hi Franky, nice to see you. You know what this really is? It's a witch-hunt. For the Ramsey-haters, it has absolutely nothing to do with justice for JonBenet, although you'd have to put them on a rack before they'd ever admit it. You're right. It IS reverse bigotry from people who obviously have an agenda with the wealthy and privileged. People like you and I aren't snobs. We don't look down our noses at those less fortunate than ourselves. But we don't have an agenda with those more fortunate than ourselves either, because we're not jealous, begrudging people. If the Ramseys had been poor, or even just average, I doubt they'd ever have been persecuted this way. There'll always be losers in this world and there seem to be plenty here. A fact they obviously prefer to ignore is that the Ramseys' wealth was worked for, they weren't born into it. John and Patsy weren't snobbish people, their success never affected their characters. Their friends bore that out. See my "copy and paste" post on another thread, lol. I love being abused here on the forum, Franky, don't you? It reveals the true ugliness of the abuser's character as nothing else can.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#253 Aug 12, 2011
That's truly beautiful. I need a tissue

Did you copy and paste that from one of the books in the literary corner? Perhaps a poetry book?

How about talking case? Please show us where Pat wrote in cursive style...or is it Patsy? Or is it Patricia :)

I'm just so jealous that I am not home collecting disability like the grifter family, getting deleted all day and night as are all the other RDI I'm sure

You are right on target today; keep up that extra keen insight of yours

Your turn franky
bIg DaVe

United States

#254 Aug 12, 2011
Hey Lynette. Why don't you just discuss the case? You whine about people not discussing it and then you make posts like the one above...and this one:

"I came to this forum to discuss a case but instead found myself in the midst of what I am convinced is an insane asylum. With VERY few exceptions, no one seems normal, no one can be trusted and no one is who you think they are. Someone who seems normal enough today and whom you've never had a problem with can become a completely different person tomorrow and stab you in the back in a minute. Where do people like you come from?

Perhaps instead of fighting off all the crazies on this forum, I should join them. Why swim against the tide? I don't usually pay much attention to forum gossip, but haven't I heard rumours around here that you are a child molester, DETROIT? Possibly even a child killer as the FBI WAS at your house questioning you, you know. Why give you the benefit of the doubt? Why not do to you what you do to me? With no proof whatsoever, maybe I'll make some allegations against YOU, spread them around the forum, and put the onus on you to prove me wrong. Just as you did to me. Would you like that?"

And this:

"I didn't "rat" on you as she says. You can only do that if you know something about someone you're not supposed to tell. I was mistaken in that post I sent all those months ago and I realized my mistake later as I got to know you and Franky better. Your personalities are completely different as are your theories about the case. Any normal person can see that, but when you're not playing with a full deck, I suppose anything is possible. We could just humour her along by throwing out a few "hints" here and there and watch her drive herself crazy trying to "prove" what exists only in her own mind, but I suppose that would be rather cruel. We musn't make fun of the handicapped. "

Oh, you are a true humanitarian. I've got a lot more examples if you'd like me to post them.

You could always IGNORE the "crazies" and stick to discussing the case, but then I guess you'd have to ignore "Franky" too. ROFLMAO!!

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#255 Sep 27, 2011
Bella wrote:
... the Ramseys had not one motive to harm JB.
Get in touch with reality. Accidents have no motive, they just happen. Most fractures are not injuries done on purpose by one human to another.

There are almost no theories where JonBenet was murdered in cold blood. There is also no motive for any molester to kill her, they like to keep their victims alive to abuse again and again, especially in cases of incest.
Big Mouth

Slidell, LA

#256 Nov 10, 2011
All answers lie within Burke Ramsey.

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