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jahazafat

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Did his parents talk freely about Jonbenetís death and the circumstances that surrounded it or were they always guarded and it was taboo?

Was/is his father actively searching through his papers and his past for clues or anyone?

Was his mother actively searching through her past for anyone?

Is he afraid of his father John Ramsey?

Was he ever afraid of his mother Patsy Ramsey?

Did his parents ever threaten him?

Did he ever suspect his parents were involved in what happened to his sister?

Did he ever eavesdrop on his parents?

What was he told about the lawsuits brought on his behalf?

Does he plan to do anything charitable for murdered children with the lawsuit money?

What does he think about Elizabeth Smartís sister helping solve her kidnapping?

Has he ever wanted to talk to police and not felt his parents wanted him too?

Did he ever talk alone with an attorney or were his parents always there?

Does he have any phone numbers or contact information with Boulder Law Enforcement?

What does he remember about the Atlanta break in?

Is he afraid of the police?

Is he afraid of the media?

Does he remember his mother having a special blue dress?

Is he or was he ever afraid the killer of Jonbenet might be after him?

Does he know what happened to the My Twinn doll and Jonbenetís other toys?

Would he ever consider taking a polygraph or being hypnotized?

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jahazafat

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Did you know that as a nine year old you could never be charged with the death of Jonbenet?

Did you know your parents could use you as a scapegoat to avoid prosecution and avoid ever closing the case?

Have you read any of the books about what happened to your sister?

Do you think your sister should be exhumed to gather evidence?

Do you think the knots found around your sisters neck and wrists should be tested for DNA?

Are you actively looking for closure?
Capricorn

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As a full adult, and given the fact that he is a Ramsey and NOT John or Patsy, he could request an investigation publicly and actually get results; people would listen and be touched. He could probably get LE everywhere, including the FBI to re-open this case and start an investigation that was real. Given the name of Ramsey and the infamous nature of this case, he could get the needed attention JBR deserves "no matter where the chips may fall"

So my question:

Burke,

WHY DON'T YOU GIVE A DAMN?
Shill

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jahazafat wrote:
Did you know that as a nine year old you could never be charged with the death of Jonbenet?
Did you know your parents could use you as a scapegoat to avoid prosecution and avoid ever closing the case?
It makes absolutely no sense to say the parents covered up an accident when they could have used Burke as a scape goat.
As it is, for the RDI to explain Burke's testimony, they have to believe that his parents sat him down before the police arrived that morning and informed him he would have to lie to the police and tell them JonBenet went straight to bed and not the kitchen to be fed pineapple by her mother.
That's way simpler then the RDI cover up conspiracy theories imo.

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Shill wrote:
<quoted text>It makes absolutely no sense to say the parents covered up an accident when they could have used Burke as a scape goat.
As it is, for the RDI to explain Burke's testimony, they have to believe that his parents sat him down before the police arrived that morning and informed him he would have to lie to the police and tell them JonBenet went straight to bed and not the kitchen to be fed pineapple by her mother.
That's way simpler then the RDI cover up conspiracy theories imo.
I believe that is exactly what they did. I'm sure they left out the pineapple bit, though. Once told to say that she was put directly to bed, wouldn't that have been enough? There was no reason to "brief him" about the pineapple, since the pineapple didn't even become a factor until LATER, after the autopsy. I do not believe the Ramseys even thought twice about that pineapple coming back to bite them in the ass. Why would they? That was why it later became so important to DENY....because the pineapple puts a huge dent in their story.
How stupid to think that it would be so simple to "use Burke as a scapegoat." You seem to want to make the Ramseys out to be even more bastardly than the RDIs do. Why would any parent who loves their kids want to put a burden like that on them? Do you think they wanted Burke to go through life having people think that he killed his little sister?
Once an adult, do you really think that Burke would have continued to allow people to think that? You don't think that such a thing wouldn't have scarred him for life?
This may be the dumbest thing you've written so far. Well, maybe not, but it's close.
Limaes

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Their original story was that she was awake after arriving home and that JR read to them both, so maybe thats what they told him to say if anybody asked. We'll never know for certain because he will never talk.

One thing I feel certain about is that they told him to stay in bed and pretend to be sleeping if anyone came into his room and when they got him up, they scooted him straight out the door and straight past the police WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEAK TO THEM.

How can anyone not believe that they had help to get away with this right from the start?

A 9 year-old boy from a less financial family, whose sister was missing, would have been questioned. Not so they can accuse anyone, but to find out as much as they could about her whereabouts.
Limaes

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BTW, I wonder who made his bed that morning? Perhaps it was someone who wanted to keep busy but I think its a bit strange that someone would think to do that considering the circumstances.
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Limaes wrote:
BTW, I wonder who made his bed that morning? Perhaps it was someone who wanted to keep busy but I think its a bit strange that someone would think to do that considering the circumstances.
Interesting point, Limaes.
Do you have a link to the picture? Does it say 'crime scene picture'?
For there also exist a picture of JonBenet's room which shows the bed made. It seems it was taken after the police examined the crime scene.

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Limaes wrote:
BTW, I wonder who made his bed that morning? Perhaps it was someone who wanted to keep busy but I think its a bit strange that someone would think to do that considering the circumstances.
I believe FW made Burkes bed, though I don't have a source. Just heard it somewhere.
Limaes

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Dec 20, 2008
 
Rashomon wrote:
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Interesting point, Limaes.
Do you have a link to the picture? Does it say 'crime scene picture'?
For there also exist a picture of JonBenet's room which shows the bed made. It seems it was taken after the police examined the crime scene.
It was in Patsy's 1998 interview when they were showing her photos, she mentioned it:

13 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. Anything else

14 on those photos, 41, 42?

15 PATSY RAMSEY: They made Burke's

16 bed, that's unusual.

17 THOMAS HANEY: I think there may be

18 some explanation for that, but he normally

19 wouldn't do that?

20 PATSY RAMSEY: No. He still

21 doesn't.

22 THOMAS HANEY: Is -- okay. That's

23 never a part of his morning routine?

24 PATSY RAMSEY: Trying to be.

25 TRIP DeMUTH: You're looking at 42

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Limaes

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thewhitewitchone wrote:
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I believe FW made Burkes bed, though I don't have a source. Just heard it somewhere.
Thanks WW1, I believe they use to all call him "Mr Mom" LOL
jahazafat

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Limaes wrote:
Their original story was that she was awake after arriving home and that JR read to them both, so maybe thats what they told him to say if anybody asked. We'll never know for certain because he will never talk.
One thing I feel certain about is that they told him to stay in bed and pretend to be sleeping if anyone came into his room and when they got him up, they scooted him straight out the door and straight past the police WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEAK TO THEM.
How can anyone not believe that they had help to get away with this right from the start?
A 9 year-old boy from a less financial family, whose sister was missing, would have been questioned. Not so they can accuse anyone, but to find out as much as they could about her whereabouts.
More important than the police not questioning Burke is his parents. The only feasible reason the Ramseys themselves wouldn't question Burke to help get JonBenet back from the kidnapper is they knew ahe was already dead. And about the only reason a kid of normal intelligence wouldn't be asking questions was he knew too.
jahazafat

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Another important aspect to consider with Burke is the underwear found on his dead sister was a size a child his age would wear. It perhaps was his friends that should have been compared to the degraded DNA not JonBenet's.

And by his friends that would include girls in Boulder but also Atlanta and Michigan. Any girls he knew before they left 15th street.
Rashomon

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jahazafat wrote:
Another important aspect to consider with Burke is the underwear found on his dead sister was a size a child his age would wear. It perhaps was his friends that should have been compared to the degraded DNA not JonBenet's.
And by his friends that would include girls in Boulder but also Atlanta and Michigan. Any girls he knew before they left 15th street.
The DNA in the underwear was from a male.
Rashomon

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Limaes wrote:
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It was in Patsy's 1998 interview when they were showing her photos, she mentioned it:
13 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. Anything else
14 on those photos, 41, 42?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: They made Burke's
16 bed, that's unusual.
17 THOMAS HANEY: I think there may be
18 some explanation for that, but he normally
19 wouldn't do that?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: No. He still
21 doesn't.
22 THOMAS HANEY: Is -- okay. That's
23 never a part of his morning routine?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: Trying to be.
25 TRIP DeMUTH: You're looking at 42
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Who is "they"?
I looked up the section of the original interview and couldn't find any reference to the Whites.
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Rashomon wrote:
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The DNA in the underwear was from a male.
Find the original owner of the size 12 undies and the DNA depositer is there for the picking.

This was a pair of panties that had Wednesday on them in a size 12. There was no Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday found from the set. All the other girl's panties found in the home were the size Jonbenet normally wore, 4-6.

This size that was too big came from outside the Ramsey home. The only witness to the purchase is Patsy. The only claim they were new was from Patsy. The DNA in it's original self was degraded which in essence dates it to before the death of JonBenet.

Would a child who wore a size 12-14 in girl's panties be sexually active? Possibily. Could a child who wore a size 12-14 be sexually assulted? Of course. Is it possible a male family member may have come in contact with the laundry? Yes.

The investigation, aware of these facts made efforts to check the friends of JonBenet. They however did not extend this to friends in Michigan or Atlanta. The dead child lived a fourth of the year in Michigan and due to financial or intellectual constraints only Boulder girls were checked. At that, it appears by 'checked' means having a cheek swabbed by a technician, not being questioned and asked if JonBenet wet her pants at their house and they loaned her a pair. Not being questioned if they ever owned such a set of underwear.

Yes, the friends of Burke Ramsey would have been equally as important in tracking down the bigger sized underwear but Burke was put in a cocoon and swaddled in duct tape.

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Maybe some one can clarify this because someone upthread mentioned that they never found the rest of the underwear from the days of the week set. It was my understanding that the Ramseys produced the rest of the pack at a later time and Patsy said she had purchased it for her neice.

Capricorn said:
"So my question:
Burke,
WHY DON'T YOU GIVE A DAMN? "

Maybe Burke gives a damn but doesn't want to see his remaining parent go to jail. I feel sorry for him if he does know what happened.
Rashomon

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jahazafat wrote:
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Find the original owner of the size 12 undies and the DNA depositer is there for the picking.
The DNA might be artifact, deposited by a factory worker. Underwear is piecework, and is handled by many people during the manufacturing process.
When Dr. Lee bought similar pairs of those Bloomies and DNA-tested them, he found foreign DNA there too, so this seems to be a frequent finding.

Jahazafat:
"This was a pair of panties that had Wednesday on them in a size 12. There was no Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday found from the set. All the other girl's panties found in the home were the size Jonbenet normally wore, 4-6." (end quote)

The Ramseys could either have hidden them or the Boulder police probably didn't search throughly enough. This would not be surprising, given the history of that department.
In the Susannah Chase murder for example, the Boulder cops could not find her housekeys, so their theory was the assailant took those keys.
When Dr. Lee, who finally was consulted on the case two years later, reexamined the victim's jacket, what did he find in the pocket? The house keys, which had been there all the time.

Jahazafat wrote:
"The only claim they were new was from Patsy." (end quote)
I think the lab did tests and found them to be new.
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Rashomon wrote:
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I think the lab did tests and found them to be new.
I've never read of any such testing. They did test new underwear to see if it could be a source for foreigh DNA and indeed it was.

I don't trust the chain of custody in any package the Ramseys produced years later. Extremes were taken to get a duplicate doll in their possesion that they have never been questioned about or discussed. They would have had easy opportunity to buy and produce another package.

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AngieM wrote:
Maybe some one can clarify this because someone upthread mentioned that they never found the rest of the underwear from the days of the week set. It was my understanding that the Ramseys produced the rest of the pack at a later time and Patsy said she had purchased it for her niece.
The oversized panties matter in the Ramsey case is one of those highly controversial aspects, rather like Ramsey case pineapple, or the Ramsey case ransom note.

The background to it is that JonBenet was found dead in these oversized panties.

There has been endless controversy on the JonBenet forums for years about whether JonBenet might have worn those oversized panties to the Whitesí party. Nobody knows for sure. Personally, I donít think JonBenet would have liked to have been found dead in those oversized panties.

Patsy purchased that packet of oversized panties in, I think, in the previous November, in New York at this Bloomingdale store. Those panties were spanking new in their, presumably, plastic sealed packet. There had been no previous owner, or wearer, of those panties.

Patsy said that she had intended to give that new package of panties to one of her nieces in Atlanta, I think called Jenny, but the story goes that JonBenet took a fancy to those panties and so Patsy just shoved the packet into JonBenetĎs panty drawer, which I think was located in JonBenetís bathroom.

The strange thing is that when the crime scene technicians did an inventory of the items at the JonBenet murder scene there were none of these oversized panties to be seen anywhere.

This is where it gets complicated. Jameson on her forum has said several times that Ramsey private investigators did their own checking after the murder and Jameson says that oversized package was found then by the Ramsey investigators in the Ramsey house.

Jameson has also said on her forum that the rest of the oversized panty package turned up in Atlanta a few years later and Lin Wood handed that package over to the Boulder DAís office.

As far as I can judge, it mostly boils down to an opinion about what you think about all this.

My own opinion is that the murderer substituted JonBenetís panties which she was wearing when she was murdered with this oversized panties which he had perhaps stolen previously, or even stolen on the night of the murder. I realize Iíll be shot down in flames by Jameson and Shill for saying that because they donít believe that happened.

Itís just I think itís a logical explanation for the murder to substitute JonBenetís panties. It got rid off a lot of incriminating DNA evidence and it just left a couple of blood spots containing this mystery DNA.

The mistake the murderer made is that he had no idea at all that those new panties were oversized. He just assumed they were new normal sized JonBenet panties.

I donít think it was incompetence for the murder scene crime scene technicians, or police, not to pick up on this oversized panty package. I donít believe that package was in the Ramsey house at that time, or it had been vanished by Fleet and Priscilla White that day.

Somehow or other that oversized panty package seems to have been returned to the Ramsey house, perhaps before the Ramsey investigators arrived. Perhaps it might be an idea to ask Fleet and Priscilla White if they have any explanation for that?

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