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Fleet, Priscilla White denied official Ramsey exoneration statement by DA

There are 198 comments on the Daily Camera story from Jan 24, 2014, titled Fleet, Priscilla White denied official Ramsey exoneration statement by DA. In it, Daily Camera reports that:

Boulder District Attorney Stan Garnett released a letter Friday showing he, too, had been pressed recently by acquaintances of John and Patsy Ramsey to issue a public statement exonerating them in JonBenet Ramsey's death, but that he declined to do so.

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#204 Aug 3, 2014
The Whites also released the DA's office reply to their complaint, as well as follow up reply by the Whites.

As I said previously, the Whites don't even have the jurisdiction correct for this case. The DA isn't even the right person to be suing for these records:

"Plaintiffs assert that the Office of the District Attorney had in its custody, possession, or control previously undisclosed criminal justice records constituting official actions of the Ramsey Grand Jury. THIS IS INCORRECT."
candy

East Lansing, MI

#205 Aug 6, 2014
Fleet's latest lawsuit: Case DISMISSED with prejudice, once again, yesterday.

I told you so, and shame on that other forum for acting like this was groundbreaking in some way. The intelligence level there has dropped through the floor.
Just Wondering

Mount Hope, WV

#206 Aug 7, 2014
Someone fill me in on what "case dismissed with prejudice" means? Thank you.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#207 Aug 7, 2014
Just Wondering wrote:
Someone fill me in on what "case dismissed with prejudice" means? Thank you.
It means he is precluded from filing the action again, which he has done before, in fact, in his last action, which was dismissed the same way. And it means the decision is the final authoritative answer in the matter.
SimplyCaustic

Burnsville, MN

#208 Aug 8, 2014
biz wrote:
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I believe you are spot on about FW reasons for the lawsuit. However, I have some comments about what you wrote here. John Ramsey said publicly if they release the grand jury's information they should release it ALL. He has nothing to hide. And at this late date it's obvious Boulder will not be solving the case. They have nothing to lose by releasing all of the documents. Also I feel no pity for Doc Miller and his "life savings". He stole an elderly woman's life savings and threw her in to a mental institution so he could take her home. She sued when she was released (she was NOT mentally ill AT ALL. She has a doctorate degree in literature) and sued him and won a $700K settlement. She got nothing because he put the house in Judith's name to avoid paying her. THAT WOMAN lost her life savings, NOT Doc Miller. He also had a history of putting client's and employees in mental institutions when they got too close to his shenanigans. He's a scum bag if you ask me.
I've never read anything negative about Doc Miller. I don't doubt you, but could you point me in the direction of somewhere it's discussed? So many links are dead, now that so much time has passed, but I'm curious.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#209 Aug 8, 2014
The pro Scamsey posters are at the bottom of the freaking barrel. I don't recall ANY of Doc Miller or Judith Phillips children being found MURDERED in their own home, and then THEY AND ONLY THEY were indicted for CHILD ABUSE LEADING TO DEATH, like their beloved John Ramsey. Those allegations against Doc were YEARS after the Scams TARGETED HIM as a handwriting expert who said PATSY RAMSEY WROTE THE RANSOM NOTE. It isn't even in the same freaking league. Nothing Doc Miller did would get him the DEATH PENALTY or LIFE W/OUT PAROLE that the murder of a six year old child would.

If Fleet White weren't so inept he would have sued the HECK out of John Ramsey years ago for all the MANY, MANY, MANY times their WONDERFUL John Ramsey threw BOTH Whites under the bus for this crime.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#210 Aug 8, 2014
The Scams and their posters are ALWAYS trying to impugn the character of whoever the Scams are FALSELY ACCUSING of this crime THIS WEEK. They tried every smear tactic imaginable against Chris Wolf, even questioning him about the then unsolved murder of Susannah Chase, when they knew full well Chris's DNA did not match the semen DNA the police had, etc. This is what these phony right wing hypocrite "Christians" and their lawyers do to their victims, bully them, trash their name, throw a ton of mud in the hopes some of it sticks, but it's NEVER WORKED, and it never will.
SimplyCaustic

Burnsville, MN

#211 Aug 9, 2014
candy wrote:
The Scams and their posters are ALWAYS trying to impugn the character of whoever the Scams are FALSELY ACCUSING of this crime THIS WEEK. They tried every smear tactic imaginable against Chris Wolf, even questioning him about the then unsolved murder of Susannah Chase, when they knew full well Chris's DNA did not match the semen DNA the police had, etc. This is what these phony right wing hypocrite "Christians" and their lawyers do to their victims, bully them, trash their name, throw a ton of mud in the hopes some of it sticks, but it's NEVER WORKED, and it never will.
I was able to find some random accusations online (towards Doc Miller) but nothing verifying it as truth, or even suggesting that it was empirical evidence of it.

I'm not particularly new to this case, but having just read SuperDave's book, I figured I would read up on some of the stuff I didn't know about: Namely, Doc Miller, and the Krebs thing (which I read about here, on Topix.)
candy

East Lansing, MI

#212 Aug 9, 2014
SimplyCaustic wrote:
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I was able to find some random accusations online (towards Doc Miller) but nothing verifying it as truth, or even suggesting that it was empirical evidence of it.
I'm not particularly new to this case, but having just read SuperDave's book, I figured I would read up on some of the stuff I didn't know about: Namely, Doc Miller, and the Krebs thing (which I read about here, on Topix.)
I don't know about the disposition of that case Biz talks about, whether it ever went to trial, etc. Doc is still practicing law. The Ramseys PI's like David Williams spent a month going after Doc Miller for dirt. It's what they do and it's what a lot of their posters do as well. It's laughable to me, as none of the alleged dirt they dig up is anything remotely the same as a felony murder, or second class felony , child abuse leading to death, that John Ramsey was indicted for.
SimplyCaustic

Burnsville, MN

#213 Aug 9, 2014
candy wrote:
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I don't know about the disposition of that case Biz talks about, whether it ever went to trial, etc. Doc is still practicing law. The Ramseys PI's like David Williams spent a month going after Doc Miller for dirt. It's what they do and it's what a lot of their posters do as well. It's laughable to me, as none of the alleged dirt they dig up is anything remotely the same as a felony murder, or second class felony , child abuse leading to death, that John Ramsey was indicted for.
Thank you for replying, I appreciate it. Another Topix thread had accusations of Doc forging Patsy's handwriting exemplar's in the libel case - no proof of that claim, either. Bizarre, all of it!
candy

East Lansing, MI

#214 Aug 10, 2014
SimplyCaustic wrote:
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Thank you for replying, I appreciate it. Another Topix thread had accusations of Doc forging Patsy's handwriting exemplar's in the libel case - no proof of that claim, either. Bizarre, all of it!
Team Ramsey plays the most vicious, dishonest hardball imaginable. There was NOTHING true about them trying to smear Chris Wolf as a serial killer behind the Susannah Chase case too. These are vicious, RUTHLESS people.
Steve Eller

Bronx, NY

#215 Aug 10, 2014
candy wrote:
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Team Ramsey plays the most vicious, dishonest hardball imaginable. There was NOTHING true about them trying to smear Chris Wolf as a serial killer behind the Susannah Chase case too. These are vicious, RUTHLESS people.
They have as much integrity as the amount they spent on trying to find out who murdered JonBenet. I know I've mentioned it before --perhaps it will be an instructive reminder for some-- but the amount spent by the Ramseys for Private Investigators tasked with finding JonBenet's killer is a WHOPPING $0.00!
Rupert

Waterloo, Canada

#216 Sep 13, 2014
P- Vance wrote:
To justice they will be brought!
A 'copyist,' not hard to track, if you're on the right page.
Flashlight?
One left at the crime scene in 1977.
Note?
One left at the crime scene in 1977.
Felt-pen?
Used by killer in crime of 1977.
Body moved?
Body moved in 1977 murder case.
Use that good southern common sense of yours?
Trial transcript 1978.
Use that good common since of yours.(sic).
A good read... Sexual homicide.
One can see that the author of this murder has read that book!
The FBI said they had never heard of such a case like this! Really?
Maybe they should read their own book they published.
Thanks P-Vance for your posts. That's what this forum is all about - free communication. I don't like mentioning suspects names either on a public forum. Your hints are intriguing.

I gather there was a crime in 1977 which included a flashlight, note, pen, and body moved. It was thus a murder and in the following trial transcripts someone mentioned "use that good southern common sense of yours" or perhaps like the Ramseys it was written in the note. This is apparently recorded somewhere in the 1988 FBI book: Sexual Homicides: Patterns and Motives. Could you tell me the page?

So one of the perps there that night signed the end. I wonder if writing comparisons showed two writers. Alson are you suggesting that perhaps "S.B.T.C." is "S.B. The Copyist"?

I get the initials involved but of course don't know who they are. I also get the initials of the victim in 1977 are L.F. I searched Colorado and came up with no victims in 1977 with LF initials. What other state?

Recall that Tom Wickman told Steve Thomas that he saw a copy of the book Mindhunter by John E Douglas on John Ramsey's nightstand. This is all in a deposition of Steve Thomas by Lyn Wood. Then it somehow disappeared and was not listed in the evidence. There was another book written in Danish by David Pilgrim that was not sourced to the Ramseys.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#217 Oct 17, 2014
I don't recall the other site posting what the Judge had to say about Fleet's boneheaded motion to get the Judge to recuse himself (i.e., because he happened to know one of Charlie's attorneys, CU law professor Marianne "Mimi" Wesson, a famous person in her own right in this case, who appeared on TV many times in the first three years of the case: The Judge's pithy reply to Fleet:

DATE FILED: September 9, 2014 8:31 AM
The motion/proposed order attached hereto: DENIED.
Having heard no response from the District Attorney, plaintiffs' motion is denied. Plaintiffs' motion lacks merit in law and fact.
Professor Wesson is not a lawyer or a party in this case and there is no basis for recusal.

Issue Date: 9/9/2014

Touche. The DA's office didn't even bother to respond to Fleet's motion, and that the motions "lacks merit in law AND fact" speaks volumes, as well as "no basis for recusal."

Once again, shame on that other site egging Fleet on in these wingnut suits of his. Fleet and Priscilla are arrogant and think they know better than anyone else, when in fact, they know less, and keep having their hat handed to them...
candy

East Lansing, MI

#218 May 9, 2015
I just read some of the emails the Whites had declassified in their "open records request" of the Boulder DA's office. Their inexplicable JIHAD against the Boulder DA's office continues unabated. The INTERESTING thing is, White would have been able to obtain the correspondence he seeks, IF HE HAD EVER SUED JOHN RAMSEY over the Daily Beast article from 2008, he and I both agree had JOHN RAMSEY throwing Fleet UNDER THE BUS YET AGAIN as "the neighbor" he refers to in the article, that a PANICKED Mary Lacy QUICKLY tries to put out the fire of Ramsey's "suspicion" saying THE NEIGHBOR was also "cleared" by the same DNA she used to "clear" the Ramseys.

ANYWAY, there is info of interest in the emails declassified. ESPECIALLY the LAUGHABLE "tip" FORWARDED BY HAL HADDON to the Boulder DA's office, trying to throw poor dead INNOCENT Michael Helgoth under the bus and saying his friend JOHN KENADY was the real killer.

WHAT IS INTERESTING is HAL HADDON, head of the Ramsey CRIMINAL defense team, says he doesn't know who Kenady is and doesn't believe his name has ever surfaced in this investigation before. SAY WHAT?????????? Did Haddon pay ANY ATTENTION WHATSOEVER to Lin Wood's cases, and Professor Michael Tracey's SOURCES IN HIS CROCKUMENTARIES. Never mind HAL was at Patsy Ramsey's funeral, and who should crash the funeral and get booted out but JOHN KENADY, DAMN WELL KNOWN TO THE RAMSEYS.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#219 May 11, 2015
This Haddon email is a real gem, and just damning, and proof you NEVER EVER believe a word coming from Team Scamsey, all the way up to the top.

There is ZERO chance Haddon doesn't know who their own boy Kenady is, IN SPITE OF WHAT HE SAYS HERE. He's making the assumption that the DA knows less about the long case and won't know who Kenady is. He's HOPING the government is going to WASTE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY on another fruitless tip from Team Scamsey and HOPEFULLY uncover some dirt about Kenady, who Team Scamsey has by now discarded and thrown under the bus. It's a GREAT example of how they operate. NEVER IN A BILLION YEARS would Haddon have sent a letter like this to the Police, because 17 year veteran Mark Beckner KNOWS WHO KENADY IS, and would have BUSTED the LIE that "Kenady's name has never come up in this case before" IMMEDIATELY. It's why the DA's office, who has so much LESS experience in the LONG AND NUANCED Ramsey case, jumped at the TEAM SCAMSEY TIP of Karr.
kauna

United States

#220 Jun 8, 2017
If Fleet White weren't so inept he would have sued the HECK out of John Ramsey years ago for all the MANY, MANY, MANY times their WONDERFUL John Ramsey threw BOTH Whites under the bus for this crime.
*****

Posted 8\14
Clearly FW has a dog in the Fight.

Does Garnett trust F White?
Gut instincts....like Arndt....in place.

Patsy wanted high quality children.
To be a Good Mother.
Did she ever get past Post Pardom Depression after Burkes birth.

Mental collapse....stage 4 cancer....entrepreneur of the years wife....murder in her home....Patsy by all rights should have spent the rest of her life on cloud 9 thru medication.

After having Burke....did Patsy ever tell John of her Post Pardom Depression.

Perfect wife.... perfect life.
Fail.
kauna

United States

#221 Jun 8, 2017
Did Patsy have shaky hands when not medicated.
Busy Christmas week...did she forget to take her meds.
Or abruptly stop taking a med.

When Patsy freaked out....did her hands normally shake?

Was Patsy experiencing withdrawal symptoms on Christmas night.

A panic attack....due to withdrawal response in brain..

Shaky RN....vomiting in a.m. in front of guests.

Folkz think she mixed meds & alcohol @ Whites party. Withdrawal has physical efects.

Thinking out loud.

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