Is it SBTC ??
deb

AOL

#21 Jul 7, 2006
Peach wrote:
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"SBTC'' is a reference to the defunctional "Subic Bay Training Center" at the US naval base in the Philippines, where John Ramsey served from March 1968 through 1969.
It was never called Subic Bay Training Center
Peach

UK

#22 Jul 8, 2006
deb wrote:
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It was never called Subic Bay Training Center
John Ramsey, 53, spent March 1968 through November 1969 assigned to the Navy Public Works Center at Subic Bay Training Center, according to the Bureau of Naval Personnel in Washington, D.C.
http://www.denver-rmn.com/extra/ramsey/0123jo...

The Ramseys submitted to a formal police interrogation Wednesday, after four months of tense negotiations with police. A day later, they spoke to a handpicked group of seven local reporters and denied killing their daughter.
Police handwriting analysts have concluded John Ramsey did not write the note. They are waiting for Patsy Ramsey to supply a fifth handwriting sample.
"Listen carefully,'' begins the note, according to the sources.
It purports to come from members of "a small foreign faction'' and concludes with the cryptic signoff "Victory, SBTC.''
"SBTC'' is a reference to the defunct Subic Bay Training Center at the U.S. naval base in the Philippines, where John Ramsey served from March 1968 through November 1969, investigators believe.
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ram...

The note, clearly written by an educated person, was signed "SBTC", initials that matched a plaque found in the house, and corresponded to Subic Bay Training Camp, where John Ramsey had been stationed in the Philippines during his earlier naval career.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,180659...

Then what exactly what was the training center called? I am only going by articles.
Corrector

AOL

#23 Jul 8, 2006
Peach wrote:
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"SBTC'' is a reference to the defunctional at the US naval base in the Philippines, where John Ramsey served from March 1968 through 1969.
Wrong! Subic Bay Naval Station is where he was there is no such place as "Subic Bay Training Center".. the acronym would be SBNS not SBTC.
Corrector

AOL

#24 Jul 8, 2006
Peach wrote:
<quoted text>
John Ramsey, 53, spent March 1968 through November 1969 assigned to the Navy Public Works Center at Subic Bay Training Center, according to the Bureau of Naval Personnel in Washington, D.C.
http://www.denver-rmn.com/extra/ramsey/0123jo...
The Ramseys submitted to a formal police interrogation Wednesday, after four months of tense negotiations with police. A day later, they spoke to a handpicked group of seven local reporters and denied killing their daughter.
Police handwriting analysts have concluded John Ramsey did not write the note. They are waiting for Patsy Ramsey to supply a fifth handwriting sample.
"Listen carefully,'' begins the note, according to the sources.
It purports to come from members of "a small foreign faction'' and concludes with the cryptic signoff "Victory, SBTC.''
"SBTC'' is a reference to the defunct Subic Bay Training Center at the U.S. naval base in the Philippines, where John Ramsey served from March 1968 through November 1969, investigators believe.
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ram...
The note, clearly written by an educated person, was signed "SBTC", initials that matched a plaque found in the house, and corresponded to Subic Bay Training Camp, where John Ramsey had been stationed in the Philippines during his earlier naval career.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,180659...
Then what exactly what was the training center called? I am only going by articles.
Do you think everything you hear and see in the news is true?

Investigators looked at possible intruders as suspects, but only nominally in the opening months of the investigation because evidence seemingly pointed only at the Ramseys.
Detectives believed John Ramsey when he said he thought all the windows and doors to the home were locked the night of Dec. 25, but an officer who subsequently checked the home found six windows and a door unlocked.

A sergeant who arrived at the home that day reported he found no footprints in light snow on the grass. But there was no snow on the walkway by the door.

The ransom note concluded with the words, "Victory! S.B.T.C.''
Officers found a plaque in the home from John Ramsey's Vietnam-era service, which included a stay at the old Subic Bay naval base in the Philippines. An investigator deduced that the "S.B.T.C.'' reference was to a training center at Subic Bay.

But a check of Navy historical records does not show any existence of a facility by that name at Subic Bay.
Corrector

AOL

#25 Jul 8, 2006
Peach wrote:
<quoted text>
John Ramsey, 53, spent March 1968 through November 1969 assigned to the Navy Public Works Center at Subic Bay Training Center, according to the Bureau of Naval Personnel in Washington, D.C.
http://www.denver-rmn.com/extra/ramsey/0123jo...
The Ramseys submitted to a formal police interrogation Wednesday, after four months of tense negotiations with police. A day later, they spoke to a handpicked group of seven local reporters and denied killing their daughter.
Police handwriting analysts have concluded John Ramsey did not write the note. They are waiting for Patsy Ramsey to supply a fifth handwriting sample.
"Listen carefully,'' begins the note, according to the sources.
It purports to come from members of "a small foreign faction'' and concludes with the cryptic signoff "Victory, SBTC.''
"SBTC'' is a reference to the defunct Subic Bay Training Center at the U.S. naval base in the Philippines, where John Ramsey served from March 1968 through November 1969, investigators believe.
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ram...
The note, clearly written by an educated person, was signed "SBTC", initials that matched a plaque found in the house, and corresponded to Subic Bay Training Camp, where John Ramsey had been stationed in the Philippines during his earlier naval career.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,180659...
Then what exactly what was the training center called? I am only going by articles.
SBTC is the oldest and largest nonprofit organization representing small, technology based companies in diverse fields.
Since its inception in 1995, SBTC has played a crucial role in promoting congressional legislation and federal regulations that aid, small technology based companies including re-authorizations of the small business innovation research {SBIR} program, an exemption for smaller companies from the requirement to expense stock options and regulations intended to curtail contract bundling in federal R&D procurement
Corrector

AOL

#26 Jul 8, 2006
representing small, technology based companies

Hmmm... a small foreign faction? we respect your business. small technology business?? Maybe someone is mad about the big company buy out by lockheed. Hmm... lost another one to big business.
Peach

UK

#27 Jul 9, 2006
Corrector wrote:
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Do you think everything you hear and see in the news is true?
No,but I don't believe all I read on here either.
Just interested in this case. Like most people who come here.
Violetta

Chula Vista, CA

#28 Jul 9, 2006
I doubt a teenager would know to put an accent mark on the word "attache" like in attache case.

What is important is Patsy's handwriting could never be ruled out, over 70 or 80 people were tested and everyone else was eliminated as writing the note.
Holy Crap

AOL

#29 Jul 9, 2006
Violetta wrote:
I doubt a teenager would know to put an accent mark on the word "attache" like in attache case.
What is important is Patsy's handwriting could never be ruled out, over 70 or 80 people were tested and everyone else was eliminated as writing the note.
That isn't true. Chris Wolf was also not ruled out as the possible writer and there were others too. Check your facts better before you post please.
Holy Crap

AOL

#30 Jul 9, 2006
oh and the accent mark yeah he could if he was reading it from a dictionary or had looked it up on Johns Comp you don't have to be online to get to a dictionary. Do we know when Johns computer was last logged up on windows? Do we know if there was a dictionary in close proxcimity to where the note writer was? No? Then I guess we can't determine age from spelling in a ransom note.
Foxyloxy

Saint Petersburg, FL

#31 Jul 9, 2006
Violetta wrote:
I doubt a teenager would know to put an accent mark on the word "attache" like in attache case.
What is important is Patsy's handwriting could never be ruled out, over 70 or 80 people were tested and everyone else was eliminated as writing the note.
I have a college degree and didn't know....lol....but I would not ever use that word unless I was writing a story and wanted to "flower it up". I would call it a brief case, but that is just me...
Foxyloxy

Saint Petersburg, FL

#32 Jul 9, 2006
Holy Crap wrote:
oh and the accent mark yeah he could if he was reading it from a dictionary or had looked it up on Johns Comp you don't have to be online to get to a dictionary. Do we know when Johns computer was last logged up on windows? Do we know if there was a dictionary in close proxcimity to where the note writer was? No? Then I guess we can't determine age from spelling in a ransom note.

This murderer must have nerves of steel to feel so comfy in his murder victim's home with her family asleep to have the balls to go get a dictionary out and look up the correct spelling for words and then to misspell bussiness (business), but, "hence", that is just my opinion....BTW that was the first time I have ever used the word hence in a written sentence...muchless spoke it. My english major sister uses those fancy words when she writes her stories. I wouldn't have even thought to look that word up. I would have just said and "therefore". My average Joe military husband would have just stated the facts point blank and got the job done.
Autumn

AOL

#33 Aug 16, 2006
The suspect was a second grade Teacher...
bMan

Canada

#34 Aug 17, 2006
The suspect is clearly mentally ill. Just look at him. He has been obsessing over this case for the last ten years and in his own mind he has convinced himself that he's responsible. Perhaps it is his way of getting closer to her.
jan

United States

#35 Aug 17, 2006
Victory wrote:
You know, an adult would not take the time to write a ransom note like that. They just would not do it! The note points to a young person(s).
or someone with time on his hands he may have been sitting in the basement waiting for her to come home.him being a teacher he could do some fast creative writeing .maybe that was his flashlight that was left on the table.
jan

United States

#36 Aug 17, 2006
bMan wrote:
The suspect is clearly mentally ill. Just look at him. He has been obsessing over this case for the last ten years and in his own mind he has convinced himself that he's responsible. Perhaps it is his way of getting closer to her.
we don't want to say he is mentaly ill he wont be able to stand trial.
Baptist

Saint Petersburg, FL

#37 Aug 18, 2006
Victory ( in the Lord )

Saved By The Cross or SBTC

a southern christian way of wishing well.
Shelly-USA

AOL

#38 Aug 18, 2006
Check this out.

The murderer wrote the ransom note and signed it .."Victory" "SBTC" <----------

Well, it seems that one of Karr's highschool mates pulled his Yearbook out and found where he signed it. And he signed it with..."I shall soon be the conqueror". You can see the page here..it is a PDF file.

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/pdf/karrY...

Also comparing that handwriting with the handwriting on the ransom note is errie similar. He slants his t's with a loop. Real spacy rambling in the note in the year book too. IF his wife couldn't vouch for his where abouts in Christmas of 1996 I would say this is the guy.

The Smoking Gun: JonBenet Ramsey Ransom Note

Celebrity Handwriting Analysis - JonBenet Ramsey by leading handwriting expert Bart Baggett - handwriting, handwriting analys...STC
Shelly-USA

AOL

#39 Aug 18, 2006
Also here you can read the court document about when he was arrested in 2001 for child porn. Somebody turned him in. He served 6 months and was released on probation. He didn't report to his probation officer and thus, the warrant for his arrest was issued. That is a long time in jail, 6 months.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0817062k...

California also wants to talk to him about another case on a child but they won't give the details.

I am freaked a bit about the SBTC initials and the slogan in his yearbook in highschool.
Autumn

AOL

#40 Aug 18, 2006
Shelly-USA wrote:
Also here you can read the court document about when he was arrested in 2001 for child porn. Somebody turned him in. He served 6 months and was released on probation. He didn't report to his probation officer and thus, the warrant for his arrest was issued. That is a long time in jail, 6 months.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0817062k...
California also wants to talk to him about another case on a child but they won't give the details.
I am freaked a bit about the SBTC initials and the slogan in his yearbook in highschool.
Really! I thought you said it was Patsy....

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