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#144 Sep 7, 2013
I would like any of the critics here to please provide a source of a FIFTY page report claimed

TIA

That number seems to have flown out and credited to my claim of this report

Source that I said it was 50 pages?

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#145 Sep 7, 2013
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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I know, do you feel sorry for me? I am looking.
I guess if people believe nothing on the internet is 50 pages, then they haven't read all of the transcripts like they said they have, LMAO. Especially the Krebbs-the-Loon stuff. Gawd, that drivel went on for days.
I actually am not sure how long it is but I have read it, I know I have it, and I am looking in all the really old stuff to try and find it so I can post either all of it or at least the relevant parts.
I can't remember who said it first about it most likely wasn't supposed to be placed on-line, much like the stuff Jams would throw out there and then have to retract, it was more of a "timing" thing where we all grabbed it and then it went {{{poof}}}.
I have a ton of CDs and was happy to hear Seuss was looking in the JW stuff, so I have been looking through the old CTV archives, CS archived CDs I have pulled off but more importantly, all the BNF board stuff. So hopefully one of us will find it soon. I have emailed BJ and KK and some of the posters who were around then. I have faith it will be found.
I do too have faith and in the meantime, nobody has to believe it

Nobody seems to state what they would think if and when the report is found and it shows that the note was written by a woman

I don't blame you for not dropping "life" to find it because when you do, or KK or whoever, it will be ignored as wrong anyway because they say it was a woman so the Vidocq society will not be considered reputable LOL

Opinions seem to be reputable ONLY if the results point away from the Ramseys

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#146 Sep 7, 2013
Unlike the stun gun, unlike JMK knowing the Ramseys or even knowing OF them, giving JBR music lessons, unlike Helgoth's "murder", unlike the window well being a point of entry, unlike the "cooperation" the Ramseys provided....the Vidocq report, while not able to be located yet, is NOT a collective hallucination.

Feel free to disregard any of that Vidocq report or its existence and the IDI still have a collective hallucination.

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#147 Sep 7, 2013
Hi Capricorn, I was probably the one who mentioned the pages, and it is entirely possible I am wrong, because I may have received it with a bunch of other stuff, I do remember the file was large - so I will own the saying how many pages it was. Funny how it is more important how long it was than what it contained! But I OWN THIS ONE!
Capricorn wrote:
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No, I didn't say I invented the report nor did I EVER say it was 50 pages. I never put a number of pages on the report. I just said it was long, so once again, myth-information
I'll say it again: People can choose to believe it or not; no matter to me anyway. If and when it is found and read, it will make no difference; all the internet "experts" will only say they are wrong anyway LOL
Poor LE LOL She is also one of the people I emailed and asked if she still had it.
People can believe it exists....or not...well you know LOLOLzzzzz

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#149 Sep 7, 2013
I would rather own it, because I believe I was the one who said it, and second, because I read her posts and know she wasn't the one who said it, and get the conversation back on focus as to what was said in the report rather than the number of pages in the report. What difference does that make?

You guys can't focus on the subject matter when you see something else that is shiny. Geez, do you have ADHD?

NOT IMPORTANT:
Number of pages in anything
Weather report anywhere
What you had for dinner last night
Flea powder

IMPORTANT:
Vidocq indicated a woman wrote the note.
Missing the point but we are used to it, LOL!

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#152 Sep 7, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
I would rather own it, because I believe I was the one who said it, and second, because I read her posts and know she wasn't the one who said it, and get the conversation back on focus as to what was said in the report rather than the number of pages in the report. What difference does that make?
You guys can't focus on the subject matter when you see something else that is shiny. Geez, do you have ADHD?
NOT IMPORTANT:
Number of pages in anything
Weather report anywhere
What you had for dinner last night
Flea powder
IMPORTANT:
Vidocq indicated a woman wrote the note.
Missing the point but we are used to it, LOL!
No problem Seuss. Yes, it was you. I went back a couple of pages on this thread and you said it but as you said, what difference does it make?

And like you said, the focus is always on the wrong thing

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#153 Sep 7, 2013
When I read that I thought it sounded like what I had written but it wasn't important enough for me to go look up, so thanks for doing that. I was right to OWN IT!

Yes it is, isn't it, that darned ole focus is tough to control, LOL.

Geez, the energy expounded is phenomenal. If they would put even a tenth of that into discussing the case, they might be able to add to the discussion - go figure, LOL.
Capricorn wrote:
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No problem Seuss. Yes, it was you. I went back a couple of pages on this thread and you said it but as you said, what difference does it make?
And like you said, the focus is always on the wrong thing

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#156 Sep 7, 2013
What other descriptors of the RN author did the (purported) Vidocq analysis contain? More info might prove to be helpful.

Donald Weinberg & Robert Ressler, both members of the Vidocq Society, have analyzed the RN, so is it POSSIBLY possible you (Cap, Seuss, L_E) are mistaken?...kinda?

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#157 Sep 7, 2013
Mama2JML wrote:
What other descriptors of the RN author did the (purported) Vidocq analysis contain? More info might prove to be helpful.
Donald Weinberg & Robert Ressler, both members of the Vidocq Society, have analyzed the RN, so is it POSSIBLY possible you (Cap, Seuss, L_E) are mistaken?...kinda?
I don't know to which "you" your question is directed, but since you called me out as one of the "yous"', I will answer. You know, everything anyone posts years later "could" be a mistake Mama, we have all made them including yourself. It could be a mistake just as everything you or any IDI/BDI/RDI "could be mistaken". but I honestly don't believe so this time. Too many people saw it, but not everyone keeps stuff, and finding files this many years/computers/flash drives, etc later...isn't all that easy.

You can think what you want, now and after one of us finds it, it's ok, really!:)

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#158 Sep 7, 2013
Mama2JML wrote:
What other descriptors of the RN author did the (purported) Vidocq analysis contain? More info might prove to be helpful.
Hmmm...an eidetic memory might be useful about now! ;)

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#160 Sep 7, 2013
I can remember something from a (I think) Donald Pugh (sp?) saying that the writer was a woman. And, I know Iíve read at least one other analysis from a now forgotten, so-called expert. So, I wouldnít be surprised if vidocq said something like this, too. Why not? You could flip a coin on this one and still have a 50/50 chance of being right.

So far, Iím pretty skeptical on the claim that gender can be reliably discerned from textual analysis.

I also know that one of vidocqís members claims to know who killed jonbenet, but heís keeping that to himself. I think his name is Walter or Walters or something like that. Iím not impressed by this, either. All these people were working from is Ressler and media reports.

As for a vidocq report being at one time available online and at one time discussed online but now vanished along with all trace and reference to said document and discussions? Surely, everyone can understand how unlikely this seems and how those of us who have never seen the report or any reference to it or discussion of it might have doubt?
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AK

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#161 Sep 8, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
I can remember something from a (I think) Donald Pugh (sp?) saying that the writer was a woman. And, I know Iíve read at least one other analysis from a now forgotten, so-called expert. So, I wouldnít be surprised if vidocq said something like this, too. Why not? You could flip a coin on this one and still have a 50/50 chance of being right.
So far, Iím pretty skeptical on the claim that gender can be reliably discerned from textual analysis.
I also know that one of vidocqís members claims to know who killed jonbenet, but heís keeping that to himself. I think his name is Walter or Walters or something like that. Iím not impressed by this, either. All these people were working from is Ressler and media reports.
As for a vidocq report being at one time available online and at one time discussed online but now vanished along with all trace and reference to said document and discussions? Surely, everyone can understand how unlikely this seems and how those of us who have never seen the report or any reference to it or discussion of it might have doubt?
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AK
I do believe that the Vidocq society has their opinion of WHO but I have no idea WHO that is.

The reason the report isn't so "urgent" at this point, although we are all still looking, is for the reason I claimed yesterday. I'd be willing to bet that Jams has it too, but if she does, won't give it up either for obvious reasons; but perhaps one of her buddies can ask her. At the very least, if she is honest, she'll admit it existed but that can go either way

As you can see, without seeing the report or knowing much about it, there is already a poster who claims that ONE person that she agrees with has more credibility than ALL the Vidocq members combined, so the report really doesn't matter in this type of crowd :) just as I said anyway

Everyone's personal "expert" is the credible one.

I too, have a person who swears that Patsy wrote the note and as good as this person is (and no, I'm not talking about Chero on FFJ), I would have to be a real FOOL to state that that persons' credentials are better than all of Vidocq combined LOL

Again, it comes down to which expert anyone wants to believe.

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#163 Sep 8, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
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As you can see, without seeing the report or knowing much about it, there is already a poster who claims that ONE person that she agrees with has more credibility than ALL the Vidocq members combined, so the report really doesn't matter in this type of crowd :) just as I said anyway
Everyone's personal "expert" is the credible one.
And that claim has to be the stupidest on the internet! Only someone grasping at straws would say that the combined knowledge/experience of 84 members can be outweighed by 1 Dr. Carole E. Chaski!

Letís break it down: if the 84 members have 10 years experience, that is a combined total of 840 years of experience. By the same token, if they have 20 years of experience, then it jumps to 1680 years of experience vs Carole who has under 20 practical experience.(REF: The Vidocq Society is comprised of 84 members (one for each year that Monsieur Vidocq was alive), along with a few special members. They represent 17 states in the United States and 11 other countries.

First and foremost Ė There is no doubt this woman is talented, but she canít exceed the knowledge/experience of a group of 84 + all the other mentioned experts, and it is inane to state she can.

Not to mention Iím guessing she viewed a ďCOPYĒ of the note as well, so if we say she is ďall that and a bag of chipsĒ then we have to also allow all the other experts who viewed copies as well, which in the past, have been vehemently discounted by the same people/person building up Carole to sainthood status. ;)

As for the automated system, she wasnít the first and wonít be the last, systems geared for different specifics from deception to linguistics, have been around since the 80ís (when she was still in school getting her Masters.)

Having said all that, I would love to read her report, maybe I will contact her.

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#165 Sep 8, 2013
Hey gang,

It now appears we can take the word of all the experts since 1996 who have looked at a COPY of the RN as experts. Good to know! Guess that puts that argument to rest.

L_E probably Googled your plagiarized description of this lady, knowing the writing was too well done to be your own.

"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts."

She is not characterized as the best in the world, so keep your admiration in check pond person, and quit over exaggerating. Granted she is one person who has an opinion that is by some considered to be an expert. ONE OPINION is the operative point here. There are many. Her's isn't even weighted in this case, but carry on with all the bogus JMK stuff ~ you are an island.

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#169 Sep 8, 2013
Spice Pond wrote:
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"Just as you said," indicates to me that your main interest is being right in your beliefs. It matters not to me what you believe. I'm just sayin' what I have seen and how the credentials of this person cannot be questioned since they are recognized and acclaimed by institutions and other authorities in her PROFESSION.
My post was taken from a quote and the last line should be reason enough for anyone to understand that her credentials are impeccable. In short, she is not just "my personal expert" -- She is a leader and a trailblazer in her profession. The courts allow and accept her testimony as a credible professional.
And my confidence in her expertise in comparison to those of the Vidocq members combined comes from her recognition by those in her field of concentration rather than from a group of individuals who, although are distinguished in many OTHER areas of expertise, cannot stand up against her qualifications in the field of handwriting and/or document linguistical evaluation and examination.
In short, it's NOT "just as I said". I only reported how others have evaluated her expertise. I'd be a fool NOT to recognize what her fellow professionals have put forth.
Another case of shooting down the messenger...
Credentials, as well as the institutions and authorities that provide and/or recognize those credentials can always (and should!) be questioned. In this case, your expert is discredited by her identification of Karr as ransom note author.

Of course, we canít assess her identification unless we see her analysis or at least know something about it.

I think that Karr, over a period of many years, has intentionally infused his writings and such with various elements that could fool some into making a false identification. And, I canít believe Iím commenting on this guy! Good grief! Argh!
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#170 Sep 9, 2013
moonjack wrote:
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You forgot to mention the other thing she has - a degree from a diploma mill.
http://www.propublica.org/article/no-forensic...
This is reminiscent of Ed Gelb's diploma mill certificate

DOCTOR Gelb, who now no longer uses the term DOCTOR Gelb was hailed as the best thing since sliced bread only to find out his credentials are no better than anyone else who got that same matchbook cover :)

It appears that dependent on the conclusion any expert comes to, their credentials will be commented on accordingly.

It just goes to the point discussed earlier that the "opinion" seems to be what counts and the credentials being good or bad come afterward, depending on the conclusion.

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#171 Sep 9, 2013
Life would be a whole lot easier if those ole discussion boards were still on line wouldnít it! JW, CS, BNF to name just three. Of course anything was placed on the internet back in those days, in part because people could do it.

The DMCA was signed into law in October 1998, but rarely enforced for the first few years it existed, at least at the discussion board level. People posted what they wanted to and only took it down when they got caught, like Jams who got caught on more than one occasion posting material she had no right to make public.

No one wishes they could find it more than I do!
Anti-K wrote:
As for a vidocq report being at one time available online and at one time discussed online but now vanished along with all trace and reference to said document and discussions? Surely, everyone can understand how unlikely this seems and how those of us who have never seen the report or any reference to it or discussion of it might have doubt?
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AK

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#172 Sep 9, 2013
I totally agree.
Anti-K wrote:
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In this case, your expert is discredited by her identification of Karr as ransom note author.

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#173 Sep 9, 2013
moonjack wrote:
<quoted text>You forgot to mention the other thing she has - a degree from a diploma mill.

http://www.propublica.org/article/no-forensic...
I went to the link, but saw no mention of Chaski. Cyril Wecht & Henry Lee are members though!:oD

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#179 Sep 10, 2013
The second degree is in science fiction.

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