Wecht nailed it

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#25 Aug 26, 2013
Thanks Cap, that is exactly what I meant.
Capricorn wrote:
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In all fairness, I doubt that Jimmy's opinion meant that "anyone's" opinion is as good as anyone else's but that the experts in any given field can have varying opinions and that those opinions can be left up to the reader/viewer/jury to decide
It happens every day in courtrooms. One expert can say one thing and the defense expert says another and the jury is left to believe one or the other in many cases. The same holds true for law enforcement sources. You have law enforcement beliefs on both sides of this case as well
Nobody can say for sure who is correct or not; even themselves
Jimmy can correct me if I am wrong in what he meant, but I seriously doubt that he meant that beliefs are based on a whim
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#26 Aug 26, 2013
JimmyWells wrote:
Thanks Cap, that is exactly what I meant. <quoted text>
You meant you can see the putter is not in the bag and therefor you can see it fit the bone displacement.

So you can match an nonexisting putter to the bone displacement HOW?

Now instead of answering the question attack me for my age.
biz

Port Richey, FL

#27 Aug 26, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
They were actually asking her to remember a day 10 years prior, not later.
ďBut I cannot be sureĒ is hardly iron-clad!
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There is NO PROOF he was in Boulder or had ever been in Colorado prior to when JBR was murdered. So you messed up your info here. How can you compare ďthere is NO Ė just like there ISĒ?
Mangled as you said it, I agree with you - there is NO proof he was in Colorado.
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Who did he kidnap?
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I agree here that he said stuff that was not on the ACR site.
Having said that though, he didnít say anything he had not been spoon fed by Tracey and Smit during the duration of their emails and conversations. If you feel he did, please provide a source for that.
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Karr didnít want credit Ė he wanted his 15 minutes of fame from a safe peripheral location, only it got too hot in the kitchen for him when Tracey took off running with his (Karrís) lies. He wanted to be somebody - anybody Ė and now he is posing as a woman because he wants to be someone else. Karr is a poser and a poster boy for ďLunatic FringeĒ.
LE does not believe he had anything to do with this crime, so you are posting misinformation by saying they cannot understand why he wonít give them enough to convict him Ė(you pulled that out from you know where). With the exception of Lacy, Boulder connections have ALWAYS said it wasnít Karr. They were made a laughing stock by Lacy. And whatís more, you have said yourself over and over on this board that YOU donít believe it was Karr, and now you are back acting like it was. Pick a side, Biz cause you must be getting dizzy with all that spinning around you are doing. Anyone has only to read the old JMK threads to know what you have said about this over the years.
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If you would actually take time to listen to all of the MT tapes with JMK you would know that MT did not "feed" him ANYTHING. MT was trying to be his friend to gather information. I applaud him for that. This case has taken its toll on him when he only tried to do a good thing.
I don't think JMK told MT anything to become famous at all. He was looking for a friend and confident. He has only been deceived over and over.
Beckner and his team will never even consider the possibility that the perpetrator was an intruder. The case will never be solved while Beckner is in command. He needs to retire. We need new blood in Boulder.
There IS proof he was in Boulder. There is a JMK likeness at a pageant 3 days before the murder. It has been identified as being Karr by at least 4 people who know him personally. The likeness stops talking to other pageant attendants when JBR comes on stage. He moves closer to concentrate on her as she performs. Who else would do that?
Also four handwriting experts identified JMK as the writer of the RN.
His ex wife, ex fiancť and ex girlfriend all believe he was the killer.
That's a start!
biz

Port Richey, FL

#28 Aug 26, 2013
JimmyWells wrote:
There is no correlation between sexual dysfunction and child murder. If that were the case I'd be very leery of all men over 50, most notably Brothermoon. If you think for one second Karr had anything to do with this you don't deserve to be on here. <quoted text>
Ha ha. And where do you get your expertise? It is a proven fact that most serial killers have sexual dysfunction! I have good reason to believe Karr was involved. I have studied him intently since 2006 along with a dedicated group of friends. But I do love your comment about Brothermoon. LMAO
Biz

Port Richey, FL

#29 Aug 26, 2013
Spice Pond wrote:
While you addressed your post to Biz, I'd like to just say that you're turning around what she's really saying to make it appear just the opposite.
It's quite obvious that Biz is saying that "they were asking Lara to remember 10 years later a day that occurred 10 years BEFORE the time they asked her." This is how you distort what is meant by how YOU interpret things.
This is so typical of you when something is worded that YOU read in another way.
As for the remainder of your post, I'm believe Biz can straighten out your misstatements.
Thank you for clarifying that Spice Pond
Biz

Port Richey, FL

#30 Aug 26, 2013
JimmyWells wrote:
There is no correlation between sexual dysfunction and child murder. If that were the case I'd be very leery of all men over 50, most notably Brothermoon. <quoted text>
You are just full of it Jimmy Wells. Reaad on......and learn something

source link:
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/investigator...

3. Genesis of a Serial Killer
Serial killers frequently suffer from low self-esteem, often complicated by some sort of sexual dysfunction. Many were themselves the victims of sexual abuse and/or were raised in violent households. Never having received much training in social graces and lacking in confidence, they tend to be introverted and friendless. Some, like emotional adolescents that never reach adulthood, maintain unhealthy ties to a family member, often the mother. And although certain serial killers have counted their mothers among their victims, in my belief such instances are not sexual in nature, but more a revenge or to halt years of real or perceived domination. In nearly all cases, deviant and recurring sexual desires and fantasies are what drive these people to murder multiple victims.

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#31 Aug 26, 2013
I agree most serial killers are sexually dysfunctional. I don't believe this to be a case involving a serial killer. Believe me I would love Karr to be the guy but if he was he'd be incarcerated. The strongest evidence against anyone is a confession but nothing else tied him to the scene.
biz wrote:
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Ha ha. And where do you get your expertise? It is a proven fact that most serial killers have sexual dysfunction! I have good reason to believe Karr was involved. I have studied him intently since 2006 along with a dedicated group of friends. But I do love your comment about Brothermoon. LMAO

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#33 Aug 26, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
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In all fairness, I doubt that Jimmy's opinion meant that "anyone's" opinion is as good as anyone else's but that the experts in any given field can have varying opinions and that those opinions can be left up to the reader/viewer/jury to decide
It happens every day in courtrooms. One expert can say one thing and the defense expert says another and the jury is left to believe one or the other in many cases. The same holds true for law enforcement sources. You have law enforcement beliefs on both sides of this case as well
Nobody can say for sure who is correct or not; even themselves
Jimmy can correct me if I am wrong in what he meant, but I seriously doubt that he meant that beliefs are based on a whim
Yes, well this is one of the things thatís wrong with the system and it is the sort of thing that Daubert is meant to prevent and protect against.
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#34 Aug 26, 2013
Full of knowledge perhaps. I've spoken with several of them. So don't waste your time pasting serial killer 101 nonsense. I could teach the class in my sleep.
Biz wrote:
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You are just full of it Jimmy Wells. Reaad on......and learn something
source link:
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/investigator...
3. Genesis of a Serial Killer
Serial killers frequently suffer from low self-esteem, often complicated by some sort of sexual dysfunction. Many were themselves the victims of sexual abuse and/or were raised in violent households. Never having received much training in social graces and lacking in confidence, they tend to be introverted and friendless. Some, like emotional adolescents that never reach adulthood, maintain unhealthy ties to a family member, often the mother. And although certain serial killers have counted their mothers among their victims, in my belief such instances are not sexual in nature, but more a revenge or to halt years of real or perceived domination. In nearly all cases, deviant and recurring sexual desires and fantasies are what drive these people to murder multiple victims.

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#35 Aug 26, 2013
JimmyWells wrote:
No, juries do it on a whim every day in criminal and civil court. Wise up. <quoted text>
Do they? Just on a whim? They donít ever find one expert to be more credible than the other? They donít ever dismiss an expert as being not credible? They just go around thinking that all expert opinions are equally credible and then they pick which one to believe on a whim?

If this preposterous notion were true then you would simply be describing one thing that is wrong with the system. It would demonstrate that jurors do not care about credibility and not demonstrate the validity of your original claim ďNo one opinion is more credible than the next.Ē
.
Sure, you can always find an expert willing to provide a contrarian opinion, or any kind of opinion that you want. That doesnít mean that all expert opinions are of equal value or that there is no reasonable way to assess their credibility. As it is we donít even know to what extent jurors are influenced by expert testimony never mind how they weigh that testimony or how and why they decide to accept or reject one over the other.

I donít doubt at all that sometimes jurors, particularly when presented with dueling expert opinions sometimes have trouble assessing their credibility, or that in some cases they simply donít even know how to make the assessment. However, even in these cases we arenít necessarily left with jurors choosing one over the other on a whim. They may simply choose to ignore those expertís opinions.
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#36 Aug 26, 2013
There should be one expert per trial and it's an independent opinion. Michael Baden testified for the OJ defense. He is extremely "Credible" yet he whored himself out for money. My point is that they are all biased opinions. Most jurors are morons, that's why they're picked, and that's why OJ walked.
Anti-K wrote:
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Do they? Just on a whim? They donít ever find one expert to be more credible than the other? They donít ever dismiss an expert as being not credible? They just go around thinking that all expert opinions are equally credible and then they pick which one to believe on a whim?
If this preposterous notion were true then you would simply be describing one thing that is wrong with the system. It would demonstrate that jurors do not care about credibility and not demonstrate the validity of your original claim ďNo one opinion is more credible than the next.Ē
.
Sure, you can always find an expert willing to provide a contrarian opinion, or any kind of opinion that you want. That doesnít mean that all expert opinions are of equal value or that there is no reasonable way to assess their credibility. As it is we donít even know to what extent jurors are influenced by expert testimony never mind how they weigh that testimony or how and why they decide to accept or reject one over the other.
I donít doubt at all that sometimes jurors, particularly when presented with dueling expert opinions sometimes have trouble assessing their credibility, or that in some cases they simply donít even know how to make the assessment. However, even in these cases we arenít necessarily left with jurors choosing one over the other on a whim. They may simply choose to ignore those expertís opinions.
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AK
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#37 Aug 26, 2013
JimmyGod wrote:
Most jurors are morons<quoted text>
Can most jurors tell what shaped impression a putter that they can't see can make?

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#38 Aug 26, 2013
Only if they know Sandy Stranger.
BrotherMoon wrote:
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Can most jurors tell what shaped impression a putter that they can't see can make?

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#40 Aug 26, 2013
We had a decent conversation going before all this Karr nonsense reared it's head. If you are so interested in Karr go start a JMK thread. No one will read or reply but at least we can keep all the crazies under one roof.
Spice Pond wrote:
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With your know-it-all attitude you probably think I don't know a baseball from a football. That's Mistake No. 1 in your thinking.
When you say, "...but nothing else tied him to the scene," apparently JMK thinks so. That's why he told me the one thing he regrets (like he doesn't regret killing JB) is the ransom note. And by saying that, he's talking about how his handwriting LINKS him to the crime. He knows about all the experts who identified him as the writer of the note and THAT is what he regrets, i.e., that he left something at the scene that ties him to the crime.
And you say you don't believe this is a case involving a serial killer. I admit that although Karr claims he's killed other children, we haven't been able to prove it. But we do know that he is a diabolical, mentally ill sociopath who suffers with MPD.
I wish YOU could engage him in conversation for just one week and you'd quickly see what I'm saying. That is, IF you should survive the ordeal. He can be the most domineering, demanding, energy draining, leach anyone can imagine. I experienced it and have a couple of friends who experienced it. And for Prof. Tracey to have endured 4 years of it? It's a wonder he's alive at all!!
Spice Pond

Mobile, AL

#41 Aug 27, 2013
JimmyWells wrote:
We had a decent conversation going before all this Karr nonsense reared it's head. If you are so interested in Karr go start a JMK thread. No one will read or reply but at least we can keep all the crazies under one roof. <quoted text>
The general topic was about Dr. Wecht. That gives us opportunity to post OUR views just as much as you seize the opportunity to post yours.

You people act like you own this forum.

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#42 Aug 27, 2013
Well we kinda do.
Spice Pond wrote:
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The general topic was about Dr. Wecht. That gives us opportunity to post OUR views just as much as you seize the opportunity to post yours.
You people act like you own this forum.

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#43 Aug 27, 2013
Spice Pond wrote:
I wish YOU could engage him in conversation for just one week and you'd quickly see what I'm saying.
The people that need to be engaged in conversation are the ones that still to this day will not talk openly with police - John Ramsey and his son Burke. They're hiding a big dark smelly secret that pales in comparison to any fantasy you've heard.

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Since: Mar 07

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#44 Aug 27, 2013
JimmyWells wrote:
We had a decent conversation going before all this Karr nonsense reared it's head. If you are so interested in Karr go start a JMK thread. No one will read or reply but at least we can keep all the crazies under one roof. <quoted text>
I have to agree Jimmy. The Karr issue has infiltrated every thread and it should have its own for those who wish to discuss him. He needn't be on every thread

That said, back to the head blow: Is there anything in particular that led you to the conclusion that JBR was lying down when the head blow was inflicted?

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#45 Aug 27, 2013
Not all those with sexual dysfunctions are serial killers or even criminals

Not all serial killers are sexually deviant either. Many are, and many are NOT

Many shoplifters are sexually dysfunctional also
Many traffic violators are sexually dysfunctional
Many of everyone's neighbors, friends and family are sexually dysfunctional

If you want to play expert, go to school first
Biz

Port Richey, FL

#46 Aug 27, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
Not all those with sexual dysfunctions are serial killers or even criminals
Not all serial killers are sexually deviant either. Many are, and many are NOT
Many shoplifters are sexually dysfunctional also
Many traffic violators are sexually dysfunctional
Many of everyone's neighbors, friends and family are sexually dysfunctional
If you want to play expert, go to school first
That is true that not all serial killers are sexually dysfunctional. My point was that the statistics show that most ARE. I provided the data to prove my point when Jimmy Wells claimed that the opposite to be true. He was WRONG. One not need to be an expert when you can just do research to provide sources.

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