Odds and ends that I just can't fit

Odds and ends that I just can't fit

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Taylur

Warsaw, MO

#1 Jan 31, 2014
Hello everyone! I had a few odds and ends that I wondered how everyone else fit into their own theories. I had made a post similar to this awhile ago, but for some reason it disappeared.

- The ransom note
- The abnormality of the parents behaivor
- The heart on JB's hand
- The underwear JB was found in
- Staging/crime scene (intruder or not)

RDI, IDI, any theory is welcome! Feel free to add anything you've been trying to fit in as well! Please be kind!:)
Just Wondering

Hockessin, DE

#3 Feb 1, 2014
M Michigan wrote:
god post
IDI answers all
JBI team
What are those answers? Especially the ransom note. And, the pineapple in the bowl. Looking at it from an IDI or an RDI theory, there are loose ends.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#4 Feb 1, 2014
The ransom note - staging, trying to distract police for learning the real reason JonBenet was "missing"

The abnormality of the parents behavior - Due to the stress of the event
The heart on JB's hand - I believe Patsy did that.
The underwear JB was found in- She may have put them on, wearing big girls clothes like girl's wear their mother's shoes. JonBenet wanted those panties kept for her and not sent to niece Jenny Davis. Staging/crime scene (intruder or not)- To try to fool the police as to what really happened. Intruders don't stage a crime scene.

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#6 Feb 1, 2014
Please give it a rest - JMK did NOT kill JBR, and the whole world knows it except you OS. He was NOT her voice teacher, the family did NOT know him prior to the crime, he did NOT kill her, he did NOT partner with JAR and conspire to do anything, and you have been fed a farce by a pervert, and you swallowed it hook line and sinker.
Taylur

Warsaw, MO

#7 Feb 1, 2014
All the answers are good. Candy if I'm reading our answers correctly, you're RDI? And thinkagain, you seem to believe it's someone the family knows? Elaborate? Interesting angles guys
Just Wondering

Sophia, WV

#11 Feb 1, 2014
As for the touch DNA: We only have Patsy's word that Jonbenet did not wear the underwear or the long johns to the party that night. Again, touch DNA is transferable. Jonbenet could have sit on the commode at the party, using her hands to balance herself on the seat--as many small children do. Thereby transferring skin cells from the last person's rump to the waistband of her undies and long johns as she pulled them up. If the last person had coughed, sneezed, or left a droplet of urine on the seat, that could account for the miniscule amount of DNA in the crotch of her undies. And who but a little girl would make sure to grab the panties that matched the day of week for that Christmas day? Heartbreaking.
Just Wondering

Sophia, WV

#12 Feb 1, 2014
A pedophile is not going to care whether or not he redresses the child, much less whether or not she is wrapped in her favorite blanket and put somewhere out of the way. He would not care where or how the parents found her. These children are nothing more than objects to pedophiles. They are merely objects that once used for their pleasure become trash to be disposed of. That is why law enforcement finds them dumped and stashed anywhere and everywhere.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#16 Feb 1, 2014
DrSeussMd wrote:
Please give it a rest - JMK did NOT kill JBR, and the whole world knows it except you OS. He was NOT her voice teacher, the family did NOT know him prior to the crime, he did NOT kill her, he did NOT partner with JAR and conspire to do anything, and you have been fed a farce by a pervert, and you swallowed it hook line and sinker.
Even John Ramsey said he didn't know Karr. I don't remember the exact words he used but it was in a Denver-based news interview at the time of Karr's arrest.
real Topaz

AOL

#18 Feb 1, 2014
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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Even John Ramsey said he didn't know Karr. I don't remember the exact words he used but it was in a Denver-based news interview at the time of Karr's arrest.
Right, but don't let that stop crazy cat lady from babbling on about him...red herring for the kitties, you know;)

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#19 Feb 2, 2014
The bottom line:

John Ramsey is/was a liar
Patsy Ramsey is/was a liar
JMK IS a liar

There's nobody to believe.

JMK's wife and family gave him his alibi for that night. That she did a "do over" after there was the smell of interviews and cash didn't seem to impress the authorities and the people who count; the SAME people who went to retrieve him from another country. If he was to be hands off for whatever reason, they would have left him in Thailand in the beginning.

Whether his wife did a do over or not, the culprit of the crime has to be placed at the crime scene and in this case, in COLORADO.

There are only three people who can be placed at the crime scene

EVERYONE else can be placed at the crime scene as much as a martian can. The "evidence" is exactly the same

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#20 Feb 2, 2014
real Topaz wrote:
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Right, but don't let that stop crazy cat lady from babbling on about him...red herring for the kitties, you know;)
A reasonably intelligent person (or even a stupid person) would have to believe if there were any truth at all to the Karr fiasco, then Lin Wood would have been on it like white on rice - to make money, to gloat, to make a mockery of the BPD, to garner the biggest headlines and get his face in front of the press, and oh yes, to clear the Ramseys.

That "Karr dog" just won't hunt.

He may be many things but the killer of JBR isn't one of them. Anyone still harping on it is wasting bandwidth and admitting they are the most gullible person on the planet.
real Topaz

AOL

#22 Feb 2, 2014
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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A reasonably intelligent person (or even a stupid person) would have to believe if there were any truth at all to the Karr fiasco, then Lin Wood would have been on it like white on rice - to make money, to gloat, to make a mockery of the BPD, to garner the biggest headlines and get his face in front of the press, and oh yes, to clear the Ramseys.
That "Karr dog" just won't hunt.
He may be many things but the killer of JBR isn't one of them. Anyone still harping on it is wasting bandwidth and admitting they are the most gullible person on the planet.
LOL and AMEN! you have to have a screw loose to keep beating this dead horse, but hey, at least you get a little attention, eh?
Just Wondering

Sophia, WV

#24 Feb 2, 2014
Thinkagain wrote:
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I believe and have believed from the beginning, when his confession came to light, that JMK was being truthful when he confessed. And therefore I believe that the Ramseys knew him before the crime. The key was Nedra, IMO.
Interesting. But if JMK worked hard to pick out the correct pair of undies, why did he leave them behind? Would he not have wanted them as a trophy?

Actually, while I am not well versed on the subject of JMK, I did read something of what he contends happened that night . And, I know he did later marry a young woman who has a toddler. Why would any woman with a young daughter feel comfortable marrying this man after the claims he made about Jonbenet? Either she is convinced he is lying or she is insane and cares nothing for the life of her child.

Seems JMK has had years to come up with a fantasy for everything that he might have done that night had he actually been there. Loving Jonbenet would have been the only explanation he could have given for disposing of her body as it was disposed of. Of course, the Ramseys also loved their daughter. That is a much stronger argument, in my opinion, for why she was found wrapped in that blanket that night. Their love kept them from dumping her body in the cold.

And correct me if I am wrong, many pedophiles have said they loved the children they destroyed. Actually, they thought the little girls were giving them "come on" looks and flirting with them. So that wasn't a far stretch for Karr. It is difficult for me to grasp the idea of a compassionate, loving pedophile.

I did miss this--exactly when did Karr have time to study the floor plan of the Ramseys' home and from whom did he get their itinerary? How did he convince Jonbenet to eat pineapple that night? How did he know Patsy frequently used "and hence"? Or how she made her "w's" and that her "r's" were flat on top and extended over to the next letter?
Just Wondering

Sophia, WV

#25 Feb 2, 2014
Sorry, TA, I misread your post. Apparently, JMK said he wanted the undies JB was already wearing not the ones he took time to choose to put on her.

I, myself, do not believe Patsy removed the undies and long johns Jonbenet wore to the Whites' that night. I think she pulled off the outer shirt and the outer pants and left her to sleep in her long johns instead of putting her into pjs. Jonbenet chose those particular panties to wear that day. That is definitely something a little girl would do. The right pair of undies for Christmas Day. I do not think a pedophile unfamiliar with the house much less the child's bedroom, could have taken time to do all this. Maybe in his wildest fantasies.
real Topaz

AOL

#26 Feb 2, 2014
Just Wondering wrote:
Sorry, TA, I misread your post. Apparently, JMK said he wanted the undies JB was already wearing not the ones he took time to choose to put on her.
I, myself, do not believe Patsy removed the undies and long johns Jonbenet wore to the Whites' that night. I think she pulled off the outer shirt and the outer pants and left her to sleep in her long johns instead of putting her into pjs. Jonbenet chose those particular panties to wear that day. That is definitely something a little girl would do. The right pair of undies for Christmas Day. I do not think a pedophile unfamiliar with the house much less the child's bedroom, could have taken time to do all this. Maybe in his wildest fantasies.
Funny, the oversized underpants were NEVER a bone of contention for Patsy. If nothing else, you'd be alarmed by that and would figure that was a huge clue in your daughter's murder and say so, but Patsy wasn't the least bit alarmed. Just a "yada yada" when speaking to detectives as tho JB always wore voluminous underpants.
It's not always what's said, sometimes it's what ISN'T said.
Just Wondering

Sophia, WV

#29 Feb 3, 2014
Thinkagain wrote:
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JW, I'm afraid that what you "know" about JMK is not accurate information, e.g., Karr did NOT marry anyone after the crime. In fact, he has been married only twice, first to a 12-year-old girl whom he met when he was around 18. That marriage was annulled. He later married a 16 year old and they had 3 boys. They divorced around 2001 when he arrested in Petaluma, CA, on charges of possession of child pron. Before his court date, he fled the country and traveled the world over, never returning to the U.S. until he was arrested in Bangkok when Prof. Tracey led law enforcement to him through their emails and telephone conversations. Actually, according to Karr, Tracey tricked him into the situation and he claims further that he was trying to arrange to meet Patsy in order to give her closure on the way in which JB died.
Your third paragraph is accurate in general terms. But all people are not alike.
After his release by Boulder authorities, he was in Atlanta, living with his father, Wex Karr, in their home that was not very far from the Paugh/Lucinda Ramsey residences. It was at this time that he met and became engaged to Brooke Simpson, who had contacted him to give him a message of her sympathy for his sistuation. Who can speak for anotheer person in her situation? But she apparently believed his story of JB's death being an accident. I doubt if she was ever insane and from what I understand, she was a good mother and loved her child very much.
As for as Karr studying the floor plan of the house, he has said he spent over 4 hours in the house from the time he arrived and the arrival of the family. He says (and this is true insofar as we can determine) that his father owned many older type, rental houses in Atlanta and he worked on many of them, refurbishing them. He therefor was familiar with the general layouts of older homes and he had no trouble finding his way around. He says he wrote the ransom note while he was upstairs in John and Patsy's bedroom while waiting for their return.
At least 4 experts have sworn that Karr wrote the ransom note, so I don't believe he studied Patsy's handwriting at all. IOW, I don't believe she wrote it. As for his knowing their plans, I'll say again, "Look to Nedra", IMO.
There are so many falsehoods floating about JMK, that I suggest you not believe all you hear.
I stand corrected--he was engaged then to this young woman with the child--I imagine in today's society that would probably mean living together. And while you might not question her sanity for moving in with a known pedophile, I can say definitely that I CAN question her sanity.

The Ramsey home's floor plan would be changed from the original since, I do believe more living space had been added to the original home.

Nedra Paul just happened to mention all of this to Mr. Karr? The complete details of the Ramseys' plans that day? Dinner at the Whites' at a certain time; back by a certain time; Patsy and John would be going straight to bed, more or less; their flight out was at a certain time. Please. Moms usually talk in generalities such as, "My children are flying to Michigan for a Christmas with John's children. Then they are going to Disney World after that. No time frames. Days maybe, but not hours.

Wonder where Karr got the idea about spending four hours in the Ramsey home? As if that intruder theory hadn't been floated about for months then years. What else could he have said given all the time he had to pick up bits and pieces of the crime and fantasize how he would have done it. And, as stated, the ONLY reason anyone would have wrapped Jonbenet in her favorite blanket instead of using the bed linens was because they loved her. And who loved her more than her own parents? Who could not have thought of putting her out into the cold that night? The parents.

With the handwriting and all other evidence, why was he not indicted for anything? The Ramseys were?
Just Wondering

Sophia, WV

#30 Feb 3, 2014
Excuse me, yes, you are correct, JMK was engaged to the young woman but not married yet. And while you may not be able to question her sanity or her love for her child, I CAN. It wouldn't be disconcerting to her to have a confessed pedophile/murderer around her young daughter if she thought he actually loved Jonbenet and that he only accidentally killed her? That is completely ludicrous. When would he decide that he loved her little girl, too? She had to have thought he was lying about the entire affair or she is just simply crazy.

So Nedra provided JMK with much of his info: White Party at certain time; return certain time; all in bed by 10:30; flight out a certain time No last minute wrapping or packing to do upon arrival home? No pineapple snacks would be given out that evening? No allowing children to stay up and play with their new toys? JMK was really taking quite a chance that he wouldn't be caught.

As far as the home, the original floor plan would not have worked since someone had added on to the home. I may be wrong, but I do believe the Ramseys had remodeled the home when they moved in.

Nothing, according to the Ramseys, was out of place that morning. The intruder left no DNA in the home. That is amazing. No wait! He did manage to leave some of the fibers from John's shirt and Patsy's jacket at the crime scene.

I understand that four experts judged him to be the writer of the note? Apparently, their opinion along with his veiled confession was not enough to indict him for anything? As the Ramseys were indicted?

And on important question: Did he address the pineapple snack? How he managed to get her to eat it without forcing it down her screaming throat?
Just Wondering

Sophia, WV

#31 Feb 3, 2014
Sorry for the double post. The first didn't post immediately so I thought it was lost. Usually I copy just in case, but failed to that time.
CaliGrammy

Los Angeles, CA

#35 Feb 4, 2014
I found court records about John Mark Karr soon after he was released by Sonoma County officials on October 5, 2006. However, I cannot remember the media covering this Temporary Restraining Order proceeding filed by the former Catholic school that John Mark Karr once worked at. See below.

Superior Court of California, County of San Francisco
Case Number: CCH 06 565432
Title: SCHOOLS OF THE SACRED HEART, SAN FRANCISCO VS. JOHN MARK KARR
Cause of Action: CIVIL HARASSMENT

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Register of Actions
Date Range: First Date Last Date (Dates must be entered as MMM-DD-YYYY)
Ascending Date Sequence Descending Date Sequence

Date

Proceedings

Document

Fee

OCT-25-2006 ORDER AFTER HEARING ON PETITION OF EMPLOYER FOR INJUNCTION PROHIBITING VIOLENCE OR THREATS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST EMPLOYEE (CLETS).
View

OCT-25-2006 STIPULATION THAT COMMISSIONER MAY ACT AS JUDGE PRO TEMPORE

OCT-25-2006 RESTRAINING ORDER AFTER HEARING TO STOP HARASSMENT (CLETS)(WORKPLACE VIOLENCE) FILED BY PLAINTIFF SCHOOLS OF THE SACRED HEART, SAN FRANCISCO AS TO DEFENDANT KARR, JOHN MARK

OCT-25-2006 CIVIL HARASSMENT CALENDAR OF OCT-25-2006 GRANTED PER WRITTEN ORDER.

OCT-25-2006 MINI-MINUTES FOR OCT-25-2006 9:00 AM FOR DEPT 218

OCT-23-2006 POS BY MAIL OR COMPLETED RESPONSE (WORKPLACE VIOLENCE) FILED BY DEFENDANT KARR, JOHN MARK

OCT-23-2006 RESPONSE TO PETITION FOR INJUNCTION PROHIBITING HARASSMENT (WORKPLACE VIOLENCE) FILED BY DEFENDANT KARR, JOHN MARK AS TO PLAINTIFF SCHOOLS OF THE SACRED HEART, SAN FRANCISCO NO FEE

OCT-23-2006 PROOF OF TURNING IN FIREARMS FILED BY DEFENDANT KARR, JOHN MARK

OCT-23-2006 PROOF OR PERSONAL SERVICE ON WV-120, WV-100, WV-110, WV-131, WV-140, WV-145 AND DEC. OF SR. ANNE WACHTER FILED BY PLAINTIFF SCHOOLS OF THE SACRED HEART, SAN FRANCISCO

OCT-12-2006 ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE (HARASSMENT), WORKPLACE VIOLENCE AND TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER FILED BY PLAINTIFF SCHOOLS OF THE SACRED HEART, SAN FRANCISCO AS TO DEFENDANT KARR, JOHN MARK HEARING SET FOR OCT-25-2006 AT 09:00 AM IN DEPT 218

OCT-11-2006 DECLARATION OF SISTER ANNE WACHTER R.S.C.J. FILED BY PLAINTIFF SCHOOLS OF THE SACRED HEART, SAN FRANCISCO

OCT-11-2006 PETITION FOR INJUNCTION PROHIBITING HARASSMENT OF EMPLOYEE FILED BY PLAINTIFF SCHOOLS OF THE SACRED HEART, SAN FRANCISCO AS TO DEFENDANT KARR, JOHN MARK JUDICIAL COUNCIL CIVIL CASE COVER SHEET FILED NO FEE

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