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Investigating the Ramsey Family Therapist

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#1 Oct 16, 2012
I don't have any inkling the therapist Jonbenet and Burke were seeing for their 'psychological problem' was involved in what happened to Jonbenet. None whatsoever.

BUT

How did the Boulder Police investigation clear him or her if they were denied their existence?

What a giant size can of peas.

Ole South

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#2 Oct 25, 2012
Actually, I've neither seen nor heard that JonBenet was under the care of a psychiatrist at ANY time. And if anyone here says she was, I'd like to see their source for PROOF.

And as for Burke, if I’m not mistaken even after the murder the sessions in Boulder were interviews requested by the BPD, so he was not really
“under the care” of a psychiatrist. He may have received private care in Boulder or Atlanta after the murder but those records would be sealed and
not released. And if the Boulder D.A. did obtain these records (IF they exist), they would still be under seal insofar as releasing them to the public. So didn't Jams get in trouble for posting FW's sealed depositions? So what's the difference?

But too, if there are indeed such records and Kolar has revealed them, he's guilty of further violating his pledge to keep private information private and not to be released to the public. But since y'all all swear he has never made such a pledge, I suppose he's free to open all the books on the case and his own officers can do the same -- IF they should become privy to any such information on cases in his department.

He obviously has sent mixed signals to the officers in his own department.

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Since: Mar 07

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#3 Oct 26, 2012
The Ramseys in their depositions were the ones to state that JBR was in fact, getting therapy. They claimed it was due to Patsy's cancer, so therefore it was the parents who revealed the private information about being in therapy and not Kolar.

Everyone knew that JBR was in therapy by the words of her parents.

Your "proof" is in the mouths of the Ramseys themselves

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Since: Jul 10

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#4 Oct 26, 2012
I believe he was, read Kolar’s book.
Ole South wrote:
And as for Burke, if I’m not mistaken even after the murder the sessions in Boulder were interviews requested by the BPD, so he was not really
“under the care” of a psychiatrist.
Saying he was in therapy isn’t a violation of anything. No one is saying “what” was discussed.
Ole South wrote:
He may have received private care in Boulder or Atlanta after the murder but those records would be sealed and not released. And if the Boulder D.A. did obtain these records (IF they exist), they would still be under seal insofar as releasing them to the public. So didn't Jams get in trouble for posting FW's sealed depositions? So what's the difference?
So here it is “IF” he is violating something, and below you have turned it into a fact – which is misinformation.
Ole South wrote:
But too, if there are indeed such records and Kolar has revealed them, he's guilty of further violating his pledge to keep private information private and not to be released to the public. But since y'all all swear he has never made such a pledge, I suppose he's free to open all the books on the case and his own officers can do the same -- IF they should become privy to any such information on cases in his department.
And here you are condemning him for something you don’t even know happened!
Ole South wrote:
He obviously has sent mixed signals to the officers in his own department.

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#5 Oct 26, 2012
DrSeussMd wrote:
I believe he was, read Kolar’s book.
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Saying he was in therapy isn’t a violation of anything. No one is saying “what” was discussed.
<quoted text>
So here it is “IF” he is violating something, and below you have turned it into a fact – which is misinformation.
<quoted text>
And here you are condemning him for something you don’t even know happened!
<quoted text>
It's been common knowledge for many years that both children were in therapy for one reason or another

You know how it works Seuss. When you don't like the facts, make up some facts and then attack the messenger who brings the facts

Too bad it's not about the CASE; but then again, it never seems to be for some people. It's about protecting Saint Ramseys at any price and for some, it's done with the theory that they covered up a murder! Amazing, but not shocking anymore

Unfortunately, there is a child in a grave with no justice ever and likely will never receive any justice. It's sadder that the public seems to be the only people who want justice for a murdered child and those who claimed to love her the most just want it to go away and be left alone

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#6 Oct 26, 2012
Kolar was not a party in any confidential documents signed by the corrupt office of Alex Hunter. Alex Hunter's professional life was a joke and his son's death is obvious proof. If Burke's or Jonbenet's psychiatrist were to come forward with details about the kids soiling themselves and not being toilet trained the surviving Ramseys could indeed file some sort of lawsuit for that confidentiality being breeched. That would be an action against their therapist. That has not happened.

Kolar is a man of honor and has nothing to worry about from a legal standpoint or professionally. It's not as though he is investigating Jessica Ridgeway's death and signed a pact with Austin Sigg's attorney and family to keep secrets about his past from the DA and the court. That is close to what happened regarding Jonbenet's death and the family history of extreme mental illness in the children with encopresis was hidden from the investigation.

Jonbenet's death was so intimate anyone thinking an intruder was responsible her can't escape the possibility the family therapist as THEE CULPRIT. There is no therapy for a child that will not include the parents, it's a family affair. John even tells of Burke's therapist perscribing medication for him.

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#7 Oct 26, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
It's been common knowledge for many years that both children were in therapy for one reason or another
I disagree - I didn't know. Kolar's book shed light on the real situation. I figured Patsy was an abusive parent regarding Jonbenet and the pageants but had no idea the kids were so sick that professional intervetion with therapy was part of the picture. I understood Jonbenet had a problem wetting herself but had had no clue Burke wasn't using the toilet for bowel movements.

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Since: Mar 07

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#9 Oct 26, 2012
Feel free to scroll by my posts, as is your right.

I feel that anyone who especially comes to the defenCe of the parents, who ALSO believes they have guilty knowledge of the crime and is covering up for the killer is not only self righteous above everyone else but also committing a sin akin to the parents/murderers themselves, but that's just my personal opinion. It was nice around here for the while you ALL were gone too, but alas, it just doesn't last as long as we all wish.

Those few days that I was gone are over now, so feel free to rethink whether you like it here or not :)

Remember, there is no law or rule on topix that you need to respond to me or even read my posts and to reiterate what was said earlier by another poster, nobody really cares what your opinion of the posters here is. You feel you need to let us all know how much you don't like us. We know it, we get it, and we don't care.

PLEASE feel free to scroll by. I think everyone would appreciate it.

Since: Feb 12

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#10 Oct 26, 2012
Ole South wrote:
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Why don't you offer something new or at least different when you come on? It was nice around here for the few days you were gone and we didn't have to put up with your malarkey.
We ARE, whether you admit it or not, discussing the CASE -- discussion that started when the subject was brought up in all the praise heaped upon Kolar's book. So since Kolar was the messenger, why is it an attack when what he said is questioned? Why is it now not considered to be "case discussion" but it WAS when everyone here was touting him and his "message" to the rooftops?
Your soapbox is getting old and whether you know it or not, others around here DO CARE ABOUT getting justice for this murdered child. YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE but you try to make it seem you are.
You have to be the most self-righteous person here -- always tooting your own horn. And making it all about YOU and your fake compassion.
What is really sad is that a person like you espouses Burke as the killer and then criticizes anyone who comes to the defenSe of his parents. Like there's no chance in your world that you can be wrong! Just like you were there and saw everything with your own eyes! Yep, eyewitness evidence! When is YOUR book coming out?
Hi OS,
Unlike some on this board, Capricorn is very intelligent. While I don't agree with her theory that Burke did it, I concede that it is a possibility, mainly because he was at the crime scene at the time of the crime.

We have to take what is given, and what is given, is at the time of the crime, there were FOUR people in the house, with one of them getting murdered. That leaves us with THREE suspects, unless we can produce any more, which we cannot.

Of course, we have the IDIs, who through all these years, have tried to come up with the intruder, without a valid entry, exit, or stay at the crime scene.

I hope you are not going to try to make the basement window a "point of entry"? If so, that is unintelligent.

Your IDOL,
Grandpa CC

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#11 Oct 26, 2012
moonjack wrote:
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I disagree - I didn't know. Kolar's book shed light on the real situation. I figured Patsy was an abusive parent regarding Jonbenet and the pageants but had no idea the kids were so sick that professional intervetion with therapy was part of the picture. I understood Jonbenet had a problem wetting herself but had had no clue Burke wasn't using the toilet for bowel movements.
Hi MJ,

Kolar's book just reinforced what Patsy and John have said all along about them being in therapy; however, it was stated at the time that the therapy was to cope with Patsy's illness

Kolar did shed light on the subject as to the reasons that would also likely be addressed in therapy. It shouldn't come as a shock anyway. Patsy was fighting an illness, the kids were left with John and Nedra, which is enough to send anyone into therapy and then add the pageants into the equation. What we are left with IMO is why they wern't BORN into therapy or at least feeling that Patsy and John should have been in therapy long before they had children

Ole South

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Since: Aug 11

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#12 Oct 26, 2012
Bakatari wrote:
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Hi OS,
Unlike some on this board, Capricorn is very intelligent. While I don't agree with her theory that Burke did it, I concede that it is a possibility, mainly because he was at the crime scene at the time of the crime.
We have to take what is given, and what is given, is at the time of the crime, there were FOUR people in the house, with one of them getting murdered. That leaves us with THREE suspects, unless we can produce any more, which we cannot.
Of course, we have the IDIs, who through all these years, have tried to come up with the intruder, without a valid entry, exit, or stay at the crime scene.
I hope you are not going to try to make the basement window a "point of entry"? If so, that is unintelligent.
Your IDOL,
Grandpa CC
While some people might be more intelligent than others, I believe the way that person USES his intelligence reflects on that very intelligence. Some people have said that Adolph Hitler was very intelligent, but along with that inteligence (if true), he was cunning and evil. So in HER case, I believe she is cunning to the extext that she tries to sway people to her way of thinking by injecting her inuendos so frequently into her messages that it is the equivalent of brain washing. And she doesn't hesitate to try to smear those who disagree with her beliefs. She is particularly adept at what she does; but it takes someone who is cognizant of her ways to see how she does it.

I wonder if you are familiar with the case of the high-ranking officer in the Canadian Air Force (yes, a pilot, whose name, IIRC is Russell Williams) who was so outstanding and distinguished? He, in fact, was chosen to ferry the Queen of England around when she visited Canada. And he finally wound up in full charge of the CAF, if I'm not mistaken.

BUT. This distinguised, high-ranking officer had an avocation. While he started out as a peeping Tom and a burglar, he finally graduated to rapist and murderer. And the funny thing is: In some of his crimes, the women involved had never even been aware he had been in their homes. He didn't leave any evidence of how he entered. What he did while he was there. Or any trace of his leaving! Some of his escapades were revealed only at the end when he was arrested and confessed to everything.

What I'm trying to show you is that perps CAN and DO enter and leave premises without leaving any evidence at all of their intrusions. His was not the only case that proves what I'm saying. Very frequently, people's homes are burglarized and they have no idea of what has happened.

So it's not a stretch of the imagination that someone who is experienced and adept at breaking and entering can and DO so without leaving any evidence whatsoever. So your constant harping on how the Rams were the ONLY ones in the house that night doesn't amount to a hill of beans! It is nothing at all unusual for intruders to break into dwellings without leaving any sign of their having been there!

So if YOU are open minded AND intelligent, you should be able to see the holes in your contention that the Ramseys MUST be guilty since they were the only ones in the house that night.

Only a fool would stick to that story if they knew how often that "theory" has been shown to be untrue!!

Since: Sep 11

Lambton, South Africa

#13 Oct 26, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
The Ramseys in their depositions were the ones to state that JBR was in fact, getting therapy. They claimed it was due to Patsy's cancer, so therefore it was the parents who revealed the private information about being in therapy and not Kolar.
Everyone knew that JBR was in therapy by the words of her parents.
Your "proof" is in the mouths of the Ramseys themselves
Do you perhaps recall which depositions those were? I just had a quick squizz through their depos and didn't see anything, but perhaps I missed it.

In Patsy's 1998 interview she spoke about Burke going for therapy, but that was after the murder.

19 How did Burke prepare for that, or did
20 you talk to or work with Burke, talk to him
21 about what was going to happen?
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-uh.
23 TOM HANEY: Talk to him about
24 questions or anything?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-uh.
0125
1 TOM HANEY: What did you tell him
2 prior to?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, he had been
4 going to see his -- he has a therapist, a child
5 therapist, and I just, I wanted at make sure
6 that we take care of our mental health, all of
7 us, during this, because particularly for him,
8 you now when he's 40 to have repercussions of
9 all this. So he had been in therapy, and, then
10 we knew ahead, before Burke did, that it was
11 going to be okay to have the interviews with --
12 fellows were going to come to Atlanta, and it
13 was going to be kind of a kid friendly
14 environment and all that.
15 And I think Dr. Jaffe said to him,
16 in his most recent, you know, closest to the
17 time of the interview that those people were
18 going to come from Colorado and that they were
19 really knuckling down on the investigation and
20 wanted his cooperation again. That Dr. Jaffe
21 would be there. You know. It would be okay.

Ole South

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Since: Aug 11

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#14 Oct 26, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi MJ,
Kolar's book just reinforced what Patsy and John have said all along about them being in therapy; however, it was stated at the time that the therapy was to cope with Patsy's illness
Kolar did shed light on the subject as to the reasons that would also likely be addressed in therapy. It shouldn't come as a shock anyway. Patsy was fighting an illness, the kids were left with John and Nedra, which is enough to send anyone into therapy and then add the pageants into the equation. What we are left with IMO is why they wern't BORN into therapy or at least feeling that Patsy and John should have been in therapy long before they had children
I won't address this TO the author of the above. I just want to point out some considerations regarding what was stated.

As I suspected, IF it was true that the kids were in therapy, it was for the specific purpose of helping them get through the terrible ordeal of their mother's illness. I'd have to wonder if Kolar expounded on the time element concerning their therapy and lengthened it to "all time" rather than for a short duration during and immediately after Patsy's treatment and apparent recovery.

And since it was stated, "Kolar did shed light on the subject as to the reasons that would also likely be addressed in therapy", it appears that this poster is addressing another poster's observation that Kolar did NOT say what the therapy involved but merely stated the kids were in therapy...which, according to him, was no violation of breaking the seal between doctor and patient. So I suggest that these two posters get their facts straight before posting their versions of Kolar's actions since each has stated an opposing view of what Kolar did have to say.

The remainder of the post only illustrates what I've said in my post to CC.

Since: Feb 12

Lihue, HI

#15 Oct 26, 2012
Hi OS,
The odds are highly against you on the entering, stay for a few hours, and exiting of the Ramsey home.

First of all, I would say it is impossible for a human to walk up to, or away from a house with snow on the ground, and not leave any footprints in the snow. This was the case in the JB crime.

Second of all, IF there was an intruder, he had to be in that home for a few hours, unless you are willing to concede, that the ransom note was written, and the garrote was made by the Ramseys.

Third of all, no one can enter a home by lifting a steel grate, without disturbing the spider webs on it, or without disturbing the dust on the window sill.

Fourth of all, no one can stay in a home that isn't his own, for a few hours without leaving any evidence of his presence.

Again, the IDIs try their best to "create" an intruder, but there simply isn't enough evidence to support the possibility.

This is about as ludicrous and unreasonable, as you trying to say that the "reasonable doubt" that JMK was not in Alabama at the time of the crime, definitively puts him in Boulder Colorado at the time of the crime.
CC

Since: Sep 11

Lambton, South Africa

#16 Oct 26, 2012
Ole South wrote:
<quoted text> IF it was true that the kids were in therapy
"IF" being the operative word, OS. We have not yet seen the exact source.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

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#17 Oct 26, 2012
Ole South wrote:
<quoted text>
I won't address this TO the author of the above. I just want to point out some considerations regarding what was stated.

Then don’t quote the poster and then feel like you have to make a snide remark about NOT quoting them. Don’t quote anyone, just make a post!

[QUOTE who="Ole South"]<quoted text>
I'd have to wonder if Kolar expounded on the time element concerning their therapy and lengthened it to "all time" rather than for a short duration during and immediately after Patsy's treatment and apparent recovery.
I thought you said you read the book. Why don’t you know the answer if yo actually read the book?
Ole South wrote:
<quoted text>
So I suggest that these two posters get their facts straight before posting their versions of Kolar's actions since each has stated an opposing view of what Kolar did have to say.
The remainder of the post only illustrates what I've said in my post to CC.
Do we all have to think alike, like the IDIs?

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#18 Oct 26, 2012
Reposted to fix the quotes:
Ole South wrote:
<quoted text>
I won't address this TO the author of the above. I just want to point out some considerations regarding what was stated.
Then don’t quote the poster and then feel like you have to make a snide remark about NOT quoting them. Don’t quote anyone, just make a post!
Ole South wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd have to wonder if Kolar expounded on the time element concerning their therapy and lengthened it to "all time" rather than for a short duration during and immediately after Patsy's treatment and apparent recovery.
I thought you said you read the book. Why don’t you know the answer if yo actually read the book?
Ole South wrote:
<quoted text>
So I suggest that these two posters get their facts straight before posting their versions of Kolar's actions since each has stated an opposing view of what Kolar did have to say.
The remainder of the post only illustrates what I've said in my post to CC.
Oh, do we all have to think alike, like the IDIs?

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#19 Oct 26, 2012
Ole South wrote:
IF it was true that the kids were in therapy, it was for the specific purpose of helping them get through the terrible ordeal of their mother's illness.
Millions of kids have mothers with cancer. Hundreds of thousands have it worse with dead mothers. The encopresis was not from Patsy’s Ramsey’s illness, if that were true it would be so common there would be organizations and fundraisers and even a National Encopresis Society.

THE RAMSEY CHILDREN WERE CRAPPING THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF PATSY HERSELF.

She was a sick beotch. She emotionally and physically abused her kids.

Ole South

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#20 Oct 26, 2012
Legal__Eagle wrote:
Reposted to fix the quotes:
<quoted text>
Then don’t quote the poster and then feel like you have to make a snide remark about NOT quoting them. Don’t quote anyone, just make a post!
<quoted text>
I thought you said you read the book. Why don’t you know the answer if yo actually read the book?
<quoted text>
Oh, do we all have to think alike, like the IDIs?
First, you'd tell me HOW to post.

Next, you'd tell me what to say in my posts.

Stop trying to control everything. You don't control me OR what I say OR how I say it.

Get it?

Ole South

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Since: Aug 11

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#21 Oct 26, 2012
moonjack wrote:
<quoted text>
Millions of kids have mothers with cancer. Hundreds of thousands have it worse with dead mothers. The encopresis was not from Patsy’s Ramsey’s illness, if that were true it would be so common there would be organizations and fundraisers and even a National Encopresis Society.
THE RAMSEY CHILDREN WERE CRAPPING THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF PATSY HERSELF.
She was a sick beotch. She emotionally and physically abused her kids.


And WHO are YOU to say anything about ANYONE else, much less a dead person who cannot defend herself?

If anyone is a sick "beotch" according to you, I'd say, SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!

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