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#53 Feb 27, 2014
I've been talking through my hat about TOSOS not mentioning that Bible quotes were from the NKJV. It's right there, plain as the nose on your face.

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#54 Mar 7, 2014
Fr_Brown wrote:
Steve Thomas mentions something about this, assuming it's the same blonde:
"....Her hair fell out, and for days she was only able to lie in bed exhausted. But she had an immense drive to recover, partly, one friend would later say, to keep an unnamed blond b***h[edited for topix] down the street from getting her husband."
Looking at John's '98 interview, I came across more about this lady. I notice that Smit simply accepts Patsy's self-serving explanation conveyed by John. And of course once again one of the Whites is the bad guy:

LOU SMIT: Just one other question along those lines. In the report, there is some kind of an indication, this is somebody talking about a blond b***h down the street that may have interest in you.

JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy mentioned that last night, that somebody said she called somebody a blond b***h. And that even shocked me. That doesn't ring a bell at all.

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JOHN RAMSEY: Well I mean, we knew, that is a girl that was friends of the Fernies who lived there, down the street with her boyfriend a block or two north of us. Who I met through the Fernies, you know, over for dinner.

LOU SMIT: Could you tell me a little about that person?

JOHN RAMSEY: She is an artist, she is quite attractive, she is cute, probably 25, 35 or 40. I can't think of her name. But she was an either an art student of John Perry's or moving through, he used to be an art teacher I think or something, they were friends of the Fernies, she is actually quite a good artist. Some of the paintings, but she lived with a boyfriend and had a -- she was divorced, she had I think one or two boys that were, you know, kind of Burke's age, plus or minus a little. Not a good relationship with her ex-husband. There was some animosity as to where the boys lived and where they went to school, those kind of things.

LOU SMIT: How do you know so much about it her?

JOHN RAMSEY: She was friends of Barbara Fernie's and Barbara was a good friend of Patsy's and so they always --

LOU SMIT: But you talk to her too then I assume?

JOHN RAMSEY: I probably been with her, that was -- we had dinner once in Dicio's (phonetic), with a big group and she was there. That's the first time I met her. She was with the Fernies at a birthday party I think for either John or Barbara, and I would see her once in awhile. Either at the Fernies or --

LOU SMIT: Could that be who Patsy was referring to?

JOHN RAMSEY: I don't have a clue. That's not the kind of words that Patsy would use. What Patsy thought, and there -- there is a woman that was lived down that way, and I can't think of her name. Who apparently ran, who used to jog and she ran by, knew this story, she ran by Priscilla's house once and they had a bunch of junk piled in their living room, had been there forever and she asked Priscilla, "are you ever going to clean up your house?" And of course that wasn't the right thing to say to Priscilla, and Priscilla used to call her the blond bitch.

MIKE KANE: That could be who they are referring to?

JOHN RAMSEY: Yes, and Patsy didn't have any axe to grind with her. She was kind of a neighbor friend, a neighborhood friend. I can't think of her name but, she lived on the next block to the north.

LOU SMIT: That answers that. Go ahead.
Just Wondering

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#55 Mar 7, 2014
For someone who didn't know her name, he seemed to know quite a bit about her.

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#56 Mar 7, 2014
Fr_Brown wrote:
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JOHN RAMSEY: She is an artist, she is quite attractive, she is cute, probably 25, 35 or 40.
Geez. That's quite a big range. He can't tell the difference between 25 and 40?

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#57 Mar 8, 2014
In her interview Patsy doesn't actually say she never called anyone a "blond bitch." She says that if she did, she should be ashamed of herself.
But then goes on to say that Priscilla called someone that. Natch.

Interesting that being blond seems to be an integral part of bitchitude for Patsy given that she was dyeing her kid's hair platinum blonde.
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#58 Mar 9, 2014
Fr_Brown wrote:
In her interview Patsy doesn't actually say she never called anyone a "blond bitch." She says that if she did, she should be ashamed of herself.
But then goes on to say that Priscilla called someone that. Natch.
Interesting that being blond seems to be an integral part of bitchitude for Patsy given that she was dyeing her kid's hair platinum blonde.
lol 'bitchitude'. maybe she lost the crown to a blond..or her husband constantly ogled blondes?

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#59 Mar 10, 2014
I looked around for Lou Smit's opinion about SBTC and Psalm 35. Even at a point when he would have been aware of the demonstrated connection, Smit was only mentioning things like "Stop Bombing Third world Countries" to reporters like Todd Hartman. I'm guessing that Smit felt that the Ramseys' Bible's connection to "SBTC" implicated them in the crime so he wasn't even going to mention it. But why? If, as Smit ostensibly thought, the intruder was roaming the house for hours and composing the ransom note, he could have sat down at the desk and used their Bible for inspiration.

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#60 Mar 11, 2014
If Smit was really looking for an intruder, wouldn't he want to try to get touch DNA from the Ramsey Bible? It's hard to turn those very thin pages in gloves. The intruder's DNA might be somewhere in the vicinity of Psalm 35. You'd think it would be worth a shot.

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#61 Mar 11, 2014
And, of course, were Smit to mention Foster's observation about SBTC that would lead to the obvious question about whether or not the Ramseys ever looked for an intruder's touch DNA on that Bible.

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#62 Mar 12, 2014
Back to the famous blonde that Patsy and Priscilla used to discuss.(It seems clear that Priscilla is the friend who told investigators that Patsy was worried this blonde was stealing her husband.) John seems to know everything about said blonde except her name. Perhaps he was having an affair with her. That could explain those missing cell phone records. When they were finally turned over there was one call in December or something like that.(As I recall, some private investigator who recently served time in prison would get phone records altered by bribing phone company employees. Once John's records were erased, they could safely be turned over to the police.)

So if there were calls to this blonde, Patsy has probably found evidence of them. Patsy's older, dark-haired, scarred and has no interest in sex. She also doesn't like John much and he doesn't like her. How is she going to keep her wealthy husband from jumping the fence? Maybe tarting her young daughter up is a conscious or unconscious part of it. In any case, Patsy is no doubt in a state of barely suppressed rage much of the time. Maybe John even made a call to la blonde on Christmas night. That would be sort of a natural thing to do and he probably thought he was being stealthy. I mean, why didn't they make that last stop to drop off a Christmas present? How long would that take? Maybe John wanted to get somewhere where he could make a private call to his girlfriend before she went to bed.

So JonBenet gets killed by Patsy because JonBenet is, let's face it, very annoying with all the bed-wetting and pants soiling and all the late night eating--and she's blonde and she's there and Patsy's very, very angry.

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#63 Mar 16, 2014
Fr_Brown wrote:
I looked around for Lou Smit's opinion about SBTC and Psalm 35. Even at a point when he would have been aware of the demonstrated connection, Smit was only mentioning things like "Stop Bombing Third world Countries" to reporters like Todd Hartman. I'm guessing that Smit felt that the Ramseys' Bible's connection to "SBTC" implicated them in the crime so he wasn't even going to mention it. But why? If, as Smit ostensibly thought, the intruder was roaming the house for hours and composing the ransom note, he could have sat down at the desk and used their Bible for inspiration.
Even worse than "Stop Bombing Third world Countries," Smit hauls out the old, tired, completely discredited possibility that SBTC stands for "Subic Bay Training Center." He knows that there was nothing in the house with this phrase and no Training Center at Subic Bay. Smit covers his butt by saying that it's something he's heard. The guy is shameless.
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#64 Mar 16, 2014
Fr_Brown wrote:
Back to the famous blonde that Patsy and Priscilla used to discuss.(It seems clear that Priscilla is the friend who told investigators that Patsy was worried this blonde was stealing her husband.) John seems to know everything about said blonde except her name. Perhaps he was having an affair with her. That could explain those missing cell phone records. When they were finally turned over there was one call in December or something like that.(As I recall, some private investigator who recently served time in prison would get phone records altered by bribing phone company employees. Once John's records were erased, they could safely be turned over to the police.)
So if there were calls to this blonde, Patsy has probably found evidence of them. Patsy's older, dark-haired, scarred and has no interest in sex. She also doesn't like John much and he doesn't like her. How is she going to keep her wealthy husband from jumping the fence? Maybe tarting her young daughter up is a conscious or unconscious part of it. In any case, Patsy is no doubt in a state of barely suppressed rage much of the time. Maybe John even made a call to la blonde on Christmas night. That would be sort of a natural thing to do and he probably thought he was being stealthy. I mean, why didn't they make that last stop to drop off a Christmas present? How long would that take? Maybe John wanted to get somewhere where he could make a private call to his girlfriend before she went to bed.
So JonBenet gets killed by Patsy because JonBenet is, let's face it, very annoying with all the bed-wetting and pants soiling and all the late night eating--and she's blonde and she's there and Patsy's very, very angry.
Gee, why wouldn't John's "mistress" come forward to police like Amber Frey did? There would be no reason for her to cover up after a murder. John isn't going to leave Patsy for her then.

JonBenet is being built into a type by PATSY not John. JonBenet is PATSY's creation. She puts JonBenet's trophies in HER bedroom, on her side of the bed. Patsy's building a type that will go all the way in the pageants. She knows what it takes to win. If she's very angry about a blonde, WHY would she take it out on her mini-me, JonBenet? Why not take it out on JOHN?

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#65 Mar 17, 2014
candy wrote:
Gee, why wouldn't John's "mistress" come forward to police like Amber Frey did? There would be no reason for her to cover up after a murder. John isn't going to leave Patsy for her then.
JonBenet is being built into a type by PATSY not John. JonBenet is PATSY's creation. She puts JonBenet's trophies in HER bedroom, on her side of the bed. Patsy's building a type that will go all the way in the pageants. She knows what it takes to win. If she's very angry about a blonde, WHY would she take it out on her mini-me, JonBenet? Why not take it out on JOHN?
Because JonBenet is there with her eternally pooed pants and wet bedding? I don't think she planned to kill JonBenet. It was an impulsive act.

Maybe Patsy did take it out on John, but she wouldn't really want to live without his income.
John said they had a "debate" in the car on the way home from the Whites, which John won. Think euphemism.

By his own account John was out of the house for up to four hours on Christmas day. Maybe he didn't spend all that time canoodling with his plane. That could make Patsy kind of angry.
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#66 Mar 17, 2014
Perhaps she was taking it out on John and Jonbenet stepped in between the two. Could her daughter's support or defense of her father, that Patsy would have seen as being disloyal to her, have caused Patsy to grab her by the collar of her blouse, twist and shake her, and sling her against the wall or piece of furniture? Causing a terrible concussion in the process. But at that point, John, already enamored by another woman, would have had no reason to not pick up the phone and call 911. So, no that doesn't fit either.

The only person John or Patsy would have protected, other than themselves, would have been Burke.

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#67 Mar 17, 2014
candy wrote:
Gee, why wouldn't John's "mistress" come forward to police like Amber Frey did? There would be no reason for her to cover up after a murder. John isn't going to leave Patsy for her then.
Maybe she did come forward or maybe John paid her off. Maybe they never got around to actually having an affair. How would I know? But there's obviously something there as evidenced by the transcripts of John's and Patsy's interviews and Priscilla White (probably) telling police that Patsy was worried about someone stealing her husband.

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#68 Mar 17, 2014
And the police seem to know quite well who the woman is. I'm sure she was questioned. What she told the cops, I have no idea.

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#69 Mar 17, 2014
Fr_Brown wrote:
And the police seem to know quite well who the woman is. I'm sure she was questioned. What she told the cops, I have no idea.
Knowing John's history of an affair; and knowing Patsy's feelings about that blonde; and considering how John seemed to know quite a bit about the blonde but not too much, it would
be a safe bet that John was a little too friendly with the lady.

I always keep, in my list of possible theories, room for the possibility this was the work of a scorned lover. John was heard saying to himself,the night the body was found,: "I'm sorry...I'm so sorry." Did JBR know this lady? John sure didn't want investigators interrogating his side and got lawyers for them.

My main theory is BDI but I always keep an open mind on other possibilities. But, I'm almost certain that John figured it out or knew who did it, which explains his subsequent actions.

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#71 Mar 18, 2014
learnin wrote:
Knowing John's history of an affair; and knowing Patsy's feelings about that blonde; and considering how John seemed to know quite a bit about the blonde but not too much, it would
be a safe bet that John was a little too friendly with the lady.
I always keep, in my list of possible theories, room for the possibility this was the work of a scorned lover. John was heard saying to himself,the night the body was found,: "I'm sorry...I'm so sorry." Did JBR know this lady? John sure didn't want investigators interrogating his side and got lawyers for them.
My main theory is BDI but I always keep an open mind on other possibilities. But, I'm almost certain that John figured it out or knew who did it, which explains his subsequent actions.
And got Patsy to write the ransom note for her? Like you I would go BDI before this.
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#72 Mar 18, 2014
failin wrote:
Knowing John's history of an affair; and knowing Patsy's feelings about that blonde; and considering how John seemed to know quite a bit about the blonde but not too much, it would
be a safe bet that John was a little too friendly with the lady.
I always keep, in my list of possible theories, room for the possibility this was the work of a scorned lover. John was heard saying to himself,the night the body was found,: "I'm sorry...I'm so sorry." Did JBR know this lady? John sure didn't want investigators interrogating his side and got lawyers for them.
My main theory is BDI but I always keep an open mind on other possibilities. But, I'm almost certain that John figured it out or knew who did it, which explains his subsequent actions
I am a BDI, but after reading a self-published book by docG, he made some really interesting assertions and it got me thinking more along the line that perhaps John was the guilty party. However, I do not see Patsy having been in collusion with John were that the case so she could not be the author of rn. However, docG calls into question the determination that John was not the author of the ransom note and one can note some similarities to John's pensmanship and the rn.

So, it does not hurt to keep an open mind. Even where an IDI is involved. But, using commonsense based on human emotions and natural reactions, I think BDI is the most likely possibility.

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#73 Mar 18, 2014
I truly believe that Patsy wrote that note; however, that said, if it turned out, as some believe, that John penned that note, I would still believe that it was to cover for Burke

I believe that is Patsy's handwriting and I do NOT believe that either parent would cover for the other or for anyone else

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