Are the Stines the Molesters?

Are the Stines the Molesters?

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jahazafat

Elkhorn, WI

#1 Jun 25, 2010
I always thought only Patsy could have been responsible, not sexually abusing Jonbenet but taking her frustration out about the diapers.

But now Glenn, Susan or Doug Stine seem capable, had access, and since the crime have become more entwined with the Ramseys than they ever were.

It's doubtful Glenn would have been satisfied with dumpy Susan. Susan appears so butch she likely bats for both teams. And Doug as an only child would have had a keener interest than a boy with sisters. I wouldn't be surprised if patsy would have left Jonbenet at the Stines with Burke for free babysitting.
Nelly

AOL

#2 Jun 25, 2010
jahazafat wrote:
I always thought only Patsy could have been responsible, not sexually abusing Jonbenet but taking her frustration out about the diapers.
But now Glenn, Susan or Doug Stine seem capable, had access, and since the crime have become more entwined with the Ramseys than they ever were.
It's doubtful Glenn would have been satisfied with dumpy Susan. Susan appears so butch she likely bats for both teams. And Doug as an only child would have had a keener interest than a boy with sisters. I wouldn't be surprised if patsy would have left Jonbenet at the Stines with Burke for free babysitting.
Maybe Glenn is gay too? Back in their day they couldn't come out so maybe they're eachother's beard?
It is beyond strange that they quit their well established lives to join the caravan out of Dodge. And that the R's just moved into these "acquaintances" house when the alledged millionaire could have rented a house or checked into the Brown Palace. Maybe looking at Susan every morning cheered Patsy up..made her feel good about herself. Something was between them..WHO suddenly moves with the nation's most notorious couple?! LOL it's crazy:P
Oh Really

Kingsport, TN

#3 Jun 25, 2010
I think the Stine's Know A LOT.....You just don't pack up leave your jobs and your home for someone you know only because your son's are friends. Something was oh so wrong with that picture. Then SS started dressing like JB LOL

Even JR said from the get go they were not really good friends makes you say hmmmmm then why the move.?????????
jahazafat

Elkhorn, WI

#4 Jun 25, 2010
Nelly wrote:
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Maybe Glenn is gay too? Back in their day they couldn't come out so maybe they're eachother's beard?
It is beyond strange that they quit their well established lives to join the caravan out of Dodge. And that the R's just moved into these "acquaintances" house when the alledged millionaire could have rented a house or checked into the Brown Palace. Maybe looking at Susan every morning cheered Patsy up..made her feel good about herself. Something was between them..WHO suddenly moves with the nation's most notorious couple?! LOL it's crazy:P
Alledged millionaire is the word, The Ramseys couldn't even scarf up $100,000 in cash fro the faux ransom.

They moved likely in to keep tabs on one of the three, but which one?
jahazafat

Elkhorn, WI

#5 Jun 25, 2010
Are the Stines still in Atlanta? Are they employed?

Doug must have graduated college by now. I wonder if he and Burke are still hanging.
jahazafat

Elkhorn, WI

#6 Jun 25, 2010
Were the Stines ever investigated? Susan Stine was supposedly the last one outside of the family to see Jonbenet alive but did they do a reconstruction and see if she was even able to see Jonbenet in the car from her front door?
Capricorn

New York, NY

#7 Jun 25, 2010
Nelly wrote:
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Maybe Glenn is gay too? Back in their day they couldn't come out so maybe they're eachother's beard?
It is beyond strange that they quit their well established lives to join the caravan out of Dodge. And that the R's just moved into these "acquaintances" house when the alledged millionaire could have rented a house or checked into the Brown Palace. Maybe looking at Susan every morning cheered Patsy up..made her feel good about herself. Something was between them..WHO suddenly moves with the nation's most notorious couple?! LOL it's crazy:P
Not only did they move in with the "acquaintances", they also had the option of Grandpa Paugh's condo, which was just sitting there all alone with nobody in it. Grandpa had already skipped town...oops, I meant left early to go back to Atlanta and they could have had the condo all to themselves. Now I know some have claimed that they needed and wanted the support of their friends, but don't we all? One would think such a loving and devoted family might have wanted to grieve alone, among themselves and yet STILL could have the support of their friends. Geez, one doesn't have to live with someone to feel the love and support.

What they REALLY needed was a buffer between Patsy and John as well as a buffer from the media so they couldn't possibly get cornered into being asked any questions. That is where Susan Stine came in; to be the bulldog.

Also, perhaps Patsy felt cared for and flattered by Susan, which is something she probably didn't get from John, and also, since she reportedly was so sedated/stoned, she couldn't care for herself. Susan was probably first on line to offer to shower her, dress her, etc. Somebody had to be there to tell the world how much Patsy was "needy". It certainly wasn't going to be John taking care of Patsy AND Burke. John didn't even care for her when she had cancer, let alone just "sedated".

The Stines have always set off my red flags and with good reason.

Whatever, Patsy and Susan had a blast together playing pranks while Patsy was so full of GRIEF; at least according to Patsy's account in DOI

Nelly

AOL

#8 Jun 25, 2010
jahazafat wrote:
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Alledged millionaire is the word, The Ramseys couldn't even scarf up $100,000 in cash fro the faux ransom.
They moved likely in to keep tabs on one of the three, but which one?
I don't know about keeping tabs, I always thought it was to keep the three from having to talk to eachother.
SS and JR were in cahoots with the 'monitoring' of the internet. I found it strange that so much time and venom was invested in punishing the public when there was ALLEDGEDLY a killer out there. If SS didn't know the truth of who killed JBR, then she is an idiot for never thinking JR's time would be better spent assisting police with the investigation rather than pointing rifles at the media. I suspect she had something on the Ramsey's,..keep your enemies close, and all that. Or, the Ramsey's manipulated the Stine's because they recognized the Stine's didn't want to talk to eachother, either.
Nelly

AOL

#9 Jun 25, 2010
jahazafat wrote:
Were the Stines ever investigated? Susan Stine was supposedly the last one outside of the family to see Jonbenet alive but did they do a reconstruction and see if she was even able to see Jonbenet in the car from her front door?
I would safely bet they didn't reconstruct SS's story..and I seriously doubt she was investigated, either. Police tend to take manly women more seriously.
Wasn't she on the softball team? Bat boy? Wasn't their a young lady found bludgeoned to death in an alley in Boulder? Bludgeoned with a bat? Bat boy by day, bat chit homicidal maniac by night? Is that why they moved? lol
Nelly

AOL

#10 Jun 25, 2010
Capricorn wrote:
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Not only did they move in with the "acquaintances", they also had the option of Grandpa Paugh's condo, which was just sitting there all alone with nobody in it. Grandpa had already skipped town...oops, I meant left early to go back to Atlanta and they could have had the condo all to themselves. Now I know some have claimed that they needed and wanted the support of their friends, but don't we all? One would think such a loving and devoted family might have wanted to grieve alone, among themselves and yet STILL could have the support of their friends. Geez, one doesn't have to live with someone to feel the love and support.
What they REALLY needed was a buffer between Patsy and John as well as a buffer from the media so they couldn't possibly get cornered into being asked any questions. That is where Susan Stine came in; to be the bulldog.
Also, perhaps Patsy felt cared for and flattered by Susan, which is something she probably didn't get from John, and also, since she reportedly was so sedated/stoned, she couldn't care for herself. Susan was probably first on line to offer to shower her, dress her, etc. Somebody had to be there to tell the world how much Patsy was "needy". It certainly wasn't going to be John taking care of Patsy AND Burke. John didn't even care for her when she had cancer, let alone just "sedated".
The Stines have always set off my red flags and with good reason.
Whatever, Patsy and Susan had a blast together playing pranks while Patsy was so full of GRIEF; at least according to Patsy's account in DOI
Hey Cap! We must have been typing at the same time:D As you see, we agree on the buffer notion, and that most people would prefer to stay with their family alone while they mourned. I never understood why they didn't use the condo. It's too weird on it's face, there has to be a reason they suddenly joined at the hip.
Capricorn

New York, NY

#11 Jun 25, 2010
Nelly wrote:
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I don't know about keeping tabs, I always thought it was to keep the three from having to talk to eachother.
SS and JR were in cahoots with the 'monitoring' of the internet. I found it strange that so much time and venom was invested in punishing the public when there was ALLEDGEDLY a killer out there. If SS didn't know the truth of who killed JBR, then she is an idiot for never thinking JR's time would be better spent assisting police with the investigation rather than pointing rifles at the media. I suspect she had something on the Ramsey's,..keep your enemies close, and all that. Or, the Ramsey's manipulated the Stine's because they recognized the Stine's didn't want to talk to eachother, either.
This is also the same JR who swore he never went on the internet

Sometimes I just have to wonder just how naive people can be to not pick up on the tremendous amount of inconsistencies and not only chalk it up to whatever, but never wonder WHY they have so many inconsistencies. I refuse to believe it is naievity, but merely refusal to see what is the truth
Capricorn

New York, NY

#12 Jun 25, 2010
Nelly wrote:
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Hey Cap! We must have been typing at the same time:D As you see, we agree on the buffer notion, and that most people would prefer to stay with their family alone while they mourned. I never understood why they didn't use the condo. It's too weird on it's face, there has to be a reason they suddenly joined at the hip.
Hi Nelly

I have several theories about why they didn't use the condo. One of them entails Patsy not wanting anything to do with Grandpa Paugh or even wanting to be in his house for reasons I have speculated about over the years

The second is that they needed to be around anyone who could not only be a buffer between the family but to be witnesses to their grief and behavior that might come into question. The Ramseys never stood up by themselves. There has always been a buffer between them and everybody (media, POLICE, etc)

Like everything else they did, they assured that someone else had to do their dirty work and they had the resources to do just that!
Nelly

AOL

#13 Jun 25, 2010
Capricorn wrote:
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This is also the same JR who swore he never went on the internet
Sometimes I just have to wonder just how naive people can be to not pick up on the tremendous amount of inconsistencies and not only chalk it up to whatever, but never wonder WHY they have so many inconsistencies. I refuse to believe it is naievity, but merely refusal to see what is the truth
I don't think they're naive either..and really, it's just a handful of people who pretend there's nothing odd about all those inconsistencies. They certainly see through other notorious suspects pretenses, noteing every nuance and contradiction like seasoned detectives..but they turn into Lou Smit whenever they gaze upon the Ramsey's. Must be the BIG crosses and bug eyed gulping that keeps them from listening to what's actually being said. Toss Jeezuz in the mix and it's their ticket home, I guess.
Nelly

AOL

#14 Jun 25, 2010
Capricorn wrote:
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Hi Nelly
I have several theories about why they didn't use the condo. One of them entails Patsy not wanting anything to do with Grandpa Paugh or even wanting to be in his house for reasons I have speculated about over the years
The second is that they needed to be around anyone who could not only be a buffer between the family but to be witnesses to their grief and behavior that might come into question. The Ramseys never stood up by themselves. There has always been a buffer between them and everybody (media, POLICE, etc)
Like everything else they did, they assured that someone else had to do their dirty work and they had the resources to do just that!
I think I've got it! The R's moved in with Butch to spearhead their campaign against FW..SS gave the police 31 talking points on FW, and where she got that had to be JR since she was an outsider and for all accounts, hardly knew the White's. I think SS was extremely jealous of PW and FW because they were the 'fun' people the R's enjoyed hanging with and the Stine's were not..I think SS was more than happy to help JR in his attempt to trash the one person who knows the truth just to replace the W's seat at the table. When the R's went to the Stine's for dinner that night of the 'invite', I think they complained about FW and won SS over...rest is history. Very strange history.
jahazafat

Elkhorn, WI

#15 Jun 25, 2010
Nelly wrote:
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I think I've got it! The R's moved in with Butch to spearhead their campaign against FW..SS gave the police 31 talking points on FW, and where she got that had to be JR since she was an outsider and for all accounts, hardly knew the White's. I think SS was extremely jealous of PW and FW because they were the 'fun' people the R's enjoyed hanging with and the Stine's were not..I think SS was more than happy to help JR in his attempt to trash the one person who knows the truth just to replace the W's seat at the table. When the R's went to the Stine's for dinner that night of the 'invite', I think they complained about FW and won SS over...rest is history. Very strange history.
I think JR had to campaign against Fleet because of the notes he took on the morning of 12/26.

Why make claims about Fleet White helping Jonbenet in the bathroom, not that it may not have happened but why zero him out? From the school nurse to the Sunday school teacher to any family friends; including the Stines, Jonbenet did not use the toilet and would rather wet and soil herself than function as a normal kid in that regard.

It wasn't the parents that were great friends but the kids, Burke and Doug. For the parents it becomes a friendship of convenience. If Burke had a play date with Doug Iím sure Patsy would have felt comfortable to leave her Betsy Wetsy doll there too. Most families have casual arrangements for childcare like that at some point.

Probably Glenn is the least likely to have molested Jonbenet leaving Doug with Burke as a pair, or Susan Stine.
Patricia Fox

Hialeah, FL

#16 Jun 25, 2010
Nelly wrote:
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It is beyond strange that they quit their well established lives to join the caravan out of Dodge. And that the R's just moved into these "acquaintances" house when the alledged millionaire could have rented a house or checked into the Brown Palace. Maybe looking at Susan every morning cheered Patsy up..made her feel good about herself. Something was between them..WHO suddenly moves with the nation's most notorious couple?! LOL it's crazy:P
I agree completely with you on this. It makes no sense that the Stines would just pull up stakes and go with the Ramseys. The more I think about it, the weirder, it becomes. I wonder what the true bond was.
Nelly

AOL

#17 Jun 25, 2010
jahazafat wrote:
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I think JR had to campaign against Fleet because of the notes he took on the morning of 12/26.
Why make claims about Fleet White helping Jonbenet in the bathroom, not that it may not have happened but why zero him out? From the school nurse to the Sunday school teacher to any family friends; including the Stines, Jonbenet did not use the toilet and would rather wet and soil herself than function as a normal kid in that regard.
It wasn't the parents that were great friends but the kids, Burke and Doug. For the parents it becomes a friendship of convenience. If Burke had a play date with Doug Iím sure Patsy would have felt comfortable to leave her Betsy Wetsy doll there too. Most families have casual arrangements for childcare like that at some point.
Probably Glenn is the least likely to have molested Jonbenet leaving Doug with Burke as a pair, or Susan Stine.
The only problem I have with that is pathologists saying she'd been previously molested due to healing..they said the paint brush followed the same 'path' the previous molester went on, hence the last person to molest her was the only person molesting her.
Nelly

AOL

#18 Jun 25, 2010
Patricia Fox wrote:
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I agree completely with you on this. It makes no sense that the Stines would just pull up stakes and go with the Ramseys. The more I think about it, the weirder, it becomes. I wonder what the true bond was.
Hi PF:D Don't know what the bond could be other than both parties wanting to take down F&PW. I would love to hear something from the Fernie's or anyone that knew the Stines and Ramseys, on what they thought of that 'arrangment'. Nobody's touched it publicly, and I kind of wonder why not, it's definitely unusual. I wonder if the cops found it odd?..probably not, they swallowed a LOT of BS without so much as a follow up question.
Old South

AOL

#19 Jun 25, 2010
Nelly wrote:
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Hi PF:D Don't know what the bond could be other than both parties wanting to take down F&PW. I would love to hear something from the Fernie's or anyone that knew the Stines and Ramseys, on what they thought of that 'arrangment'. Nobody's touched it publicly, and I kind of wonder why not, it's definitely unusual. I wonder if the cops found it odd?..probably not, they swallowed a LOT of BS without so much as a follow up question.
One of the most unusual things about all the Ramsey "friends", is the number of them that are now "former friends". Do I understand it correctly that of all their friends in Boulder, only the Stines remained friends for the duration. Can anyone say WHY each "friend" abandoned(?) them? Of course, it's understandable that the Whites would no longer be among the friendly, but what about the rest of them? Anyone?
Biz

Tampa, FL

#20 Jun 26, 2010
Oh Really wrote:
I think the Stine's Know A LOT.....You just don't pack up leave your jobs and your home for someone you know only because your son's are friends. Something was oh so wrong with that picture. Then SS started dressing like JB LOL
Even JR said from the get go they were not really good friends makes you say hmmmmm then why the move.?????????
You DO pack up and leave town if you feel that you are living in an area where you don't feel safe. The Stine's had gone to Atlanta with the Ramsey's and probably fell in love with the area and the people,(who are known for their southern hospitality)
The Stine's and Ramseys may not have been really close friends before the murder but when you go through a traumatic event like this and people have seen you at your absolute worst, you tend to become very very close. Many acedemics are frustrated with their jobs but never leave because of the benefits and stability. Perhaps the Stine's were at a place in their lives where they could afford to take a leap in another direction that they had always been dreaming about. John knew Doug Stine as a smart man, why not recommend him for a job?
Susan Stine made a terrible mistake on the internet and embarrassed Patsy and John but I can see how it could happen. Back then no one realized that they could be traced. People will do and say amazing things behind the "hat" of anonemity.(as seen by this very forum!)

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