Emerging Child Sex-Ring Allegations

Emerging Child Sex-Ring Allegations

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Old South

AOL

#1 Jun 15, 2011
I came across a very old article that contains a treasure trove of information that may or may not prove to have merit as to any connection to the case. In any event, there are some strong allegations made regarding people who are in high places in government and industries connected to the government. Parts implied direct involvement of the Ramsey case, and I copied a few paragraphs to give a hint of what the article relates to. I took off the usual "http" etc. at the beginning of the link so anyone wanting to go to the site needs only to add the usual introductory letters and it should connect from there. It is

ww.mail-archive.com/ctrl @listserv.aol.com/msg40576.htm l

Hope it works.

Here are the paragraphs:

Patsy Ramsey did not exactly fit the white supremacist profile, and she certainly wasn't known to participate in "ritual murder." Paul Schultz, not incidentally, rings the bell on both counts. He is a member, according to the interviewers of Belinda Schultz, of a "heterodox Christian" cult with Nazi leanings that found its way into the intelligence establishment via the German presence at Tweet Kimball's castle in Sedalia. The occult Brotherhood
of the White Temple, as this sect was known, survives and has reportedly evolved into an underground terrorist cell.

The same "faction" that warned Mary Bienkowski to back off? Police
investigating the Ramsey case also received warnings. Blood was splashed on Detective Linda Arndt's front door. The mutilated carcass of a cat was left on Steve Thomas's front lawn (if his statements have any credibility, given the flagrant distortions in his book on the case, clearly contrived to widen the umbrella of suspicion that has hung over the parents since the smears
began). Sergeant Bob Wilson was at home when four high-powered rounds were fired through his bedroom window and nearly hit him.

After these events,"there was no follow-up by the police department" Steve Thomas complains, "which apparently regarded bullets, blood and dead cats as minor" 23

Belinda Schultz has tied her ex-husband to a cultic, "white-supremacist" terrorist underground with domestic intelligence connections and the murder of JonBenet Ramsey but despite his resemblance to the killer's profile, Paul Schultz has not been asked for a sample of his hand-writing.

And his DNA is probably not on file.
The article is very long and too far reaching to cite any particular area, but I thought the above would give a general idea of its contents.
Old South

AOL

#2 Jun 15, 2011
Didn't work, so try this:

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl @listserv.aol.com/msg40576.htm l
Lynette

Germiston, South Africa

#3 Jun 15, 2011
Old South wrote:
I came across a very old article that contains a treasure trove of information that may or may not prove to have merit as to any connection to the case. In any event, there are some strong allegations made regarding people who are in high places in government and industries connected to the government. Parts implied direct involvement of the Ramsey case, and I copied a few paragraphs to give a hint of what the article relates to. I took off the usual "http" etc. at the beginning of the link so anyone wanting to go to the site needs only to add the usual introductory letters and it should connect from there. It is
ww.mail-archive.com/ctrl @listserv.aol.com/msg40576.htm l
Hope it works.
Here are the paragraphs:
Patsy Ramsey did not exactly fit the white supremacist profile, and she certainly wasn't known to participate in "ritual murder." Paul Schultz, not incidentally, rings the bell on both counts. He is a member, according to the interviewers of Belinda Schultz, of a "heterodox Christian" cult with Nazi leanings that found its way into the intelligence establishment via the German presence at Tweet Kimball's castle in Sedalia. The occult Brotherhood
of the White Temple, as this sect was known, survives and has reportedly evolved into an underground terrorist cell.
The same "faction" that warned Mary Bienkowski to back off? Police
investigating the Ramsey case also received warnings. Blood was splashed on Detective Linda Arndt's front door. The mutilated carcass of a cat was left on Steve Thomas's front lawn (if his statements have any credibility, given the flagrant distortions in his book on the case, clearly contrived to widen the umbrella of suspicion that has hung over the parents since the smears
began). Sergeant Bob Wilson was at home when four high-powered rounds were fired through his bedroom window and nearly hit him.
After these events,"there was no follow-up by the police department" Steve Thomas complains, "which apparently regarded bullets, blood and dead cats as minor" 23
Belinda Schultz has tied her ex-husband to a cultic, "white-supremacist" terrorist underground with domestic intelligence connections and the murder of JonBenet Ramsey but despite his resemblance to the killer's profile, Paul Schultz has not been asked for a sample of his hand-writing.
And his DNA is probably not on file.
The article is very long and too far reaching to cite any particular area, but I thought the above would give a general idea of its contents.
Thank you very much for this, Old South. I will read the full article later when I have more time.

The more I think about this murder, the more I'm beginning to believe that there is far more to it than meets the eye. I used to think it was the work of one person, or possibly two or three, but just very recently my mind has begun to think along different lines. I believe there is much we aren't aware of but the more I learn and observe, the more convinced I become there was a far greater force at work here, one which is still at work to this day, spreading malevolence and evil and its tentacles reach far and wide.

I don't think this was an ordinary murder and I don't know if the person who killed JonBenet's was necessarily the mastermind behind it all. What I am convinced of is that John Ramsey knows a lot more than he's saying and I believe he's being controlled through fear. I used to believe that certain individuals within the BPD were involved somehow, but I never considered the possibility that they may have been intimidated into backing off. It may also explain why Lou Smit, with all his experience as an investigator and after all the years he worked on the case, never solved it. Or more correctly, may have solved it, but realized he was up against something too powerful to expose.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#4 Jun 15, 2011
The link didn't work for me OS, but regarding child sex rings and white supremacists, and other cults of those types, sadly they are everywhere and all over the world.

It's a fact of human nature and there will always be that element of society that embraces the taboos that are set in most cultures and we have to remember that in some cultures around the world, they marry their daughters at the age of puberty and child sex is part of their culture, as awful as that sounds to us.

All of these cults, and cultures will always exist. The best we can do as a society is prevent what we can, however we can to save people in danger
Biz

New Port Richey, FL

#5 Jun 15, 2011
I think there could be a Nazi/Third Reich connection to the crime or at least the RN. I have found words/phrases like "Fat Cats" "Small Foreign Faction", "group of individuals", "attache", "beheaded", "scanned for electronic devices", "Victory!" etc. all found in the lingo of those in the Third Reich. This is the way they talk! The "Victory" Ring is the most sacred item to those in the Third Reich.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#6 Jun 15, 2011
Biz wrote:
I think there could be a Nazi/Third Reich connection to the crime or at least the RN. I have found words/phrases like "Fat Cats" "Small Foreign Faction", "group of individuals", "attache", "beheaded", "scanned for electronic devices", "Victory!" etc. all found in the lingo of those in the Third Reich. This is the way they talk! The "Victory" Ring is the most sacred item to those in the Third Reich.
Those words can be found everywhere and are not predisposed to any particular group or faction to the exclusion of anyone else.

Was JMK a Nazi too? A follower?

Victory is a popular word biz and can be applied to any number of people, groups, and organizations
WV Sleuth

United States

#7 Jun 15, 2011
Biz wrote:
I think there could be a Nazi/Third Reich connection to the crime or at least the RN. I have found words/phrases like "Fat Cats" "Small Foreign Faction", "group of individuals", "attache", "beheaded", "scanned for electronic devices", "Victory!" etc. all found in the lingo of those in the Third Reich. This is the way they talk! The "Victory" Ring is the most sacred item to those in the Third Reich.
-- I don't think that. I think the odds are much better that this was an accident, and for reasons unknown to us, it was staged to look like something it wasn't.
terrahh

Beaumont, TX

#8 Jun 15, 2011
Lynette wrote:
<quoted text>I used to believe that certain individuals within the BPD were involved somehow, but I never considered the possibility that they may have been intimidated into backing off. It may also explain why Lou Smit, with all his experience as an investigator and after all the years he worked on the case, never solved it. Or more correctly, may have solved it, but realized he was up against something too powerful to expose.
i've never heard of law enforcement/fbi being "intimidated" about solving a brutal child murder case. even if that were the case (which is highly unlikely) they surely wouldn't have spent so much time persuing the ramsey's just for the thrill of it.
Old South

AOL

#9 Jun 15, 2011
Capricorn wrote:
The link didn't work for me OS,
I tried it and it didn't work for me, either.

But I did THIS, and it DID work:

Hit "Reply" on the 2nd post, and when the "Reply" box comes up, copy the link.(You might have to copy it from right to left.)

Then, get out of Topix so you will have a blank subject line. Paste the link onto the blank line and hit "Go".(It might not be necessary to get out of Topix, but that was the only way I could get it to work.)

Works with AOL, so I hope it will work with others.

Very long, detailed, interesting article.
Biz

New Port Richey, FL

#10 Jun 15, 2011
Capricorn wrote:
<quoted text>
Those words can be found everywhere and are not predisposed to any particular group or faction to the exclusion of anyone else.
Was JMK a Nazi too? A follower?
Victory is a popular word biz and can be applied to any number of people, groups, and organizations
There are several suspects who have supposed connections to Nazi/Third Reich innuendo.
One is JMK who changed his name Alexis Delia Reich which translated means: "Defender of the Third Reich"
John S Gigax sold Nazi Memorabelia and Jewelry and has commented on Nazi/Third Reich books on Amazon including one with "Defender of the Third Reich" in the front cover.
There is a Paul Schultz who's former wife claimed he was connected to Nazi organizations and the Third Reich (more from the link that Old South provided)
In lieu of that I think it is something to consider.
WHAT

Detroit, MI

#11 Jun 15, 2011
Are you people nuts ??
Nazi cults ??
OMG !!
Old South

AOL

#12 Jun 15, 2011
WHAT wrote:
Are you people nuts ??
Nazi cults ??
OMG !!
Don't be so naive! They're all around, everywhere. Use your computer to look them up instead of for writing such comments that show you have your head in the sand!

The ransom note SAID they were a "small foreign faction". Why do you think they weren't bragging about themselves? Or maybe they knew that because of people like you, it would be summarily dismissed!

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#13 Jun 26, 2011
Did JMK know Marilyn Manson personally or was he just a fan? I do remember reading somewhere JMK was a huge fan. Marilyn Manson is also a huge Nazi.

http://raumfahrer.wordpress.com/smileyfacemur...
Old South

AOL

#15 Jun 26, 2011
roguenations wrote:
Did JMK know Marilyn Manson personally or was he just a fan? I do remember reading somewhere JMK was a huge fan. Marilyn Manson is also a huge Nazi.
http://raumfahrer.wordpress.com/smileyfacemur...
IMO, Karr had Nazi leanings. So it is possible that he was among Manson's fan base. In reading the link above, there is also a link to Arnold Schwarzenegger, which I found interesting. Please note the following excerpts:

This is an English translation of a Falter Article about Arnold Schwarzenegger wearing a Totenkopf (Death’s Head) Ring on a trip to his home town in Graz, Austria. Falter is a weekly news magazine published in Vienna. This is not a professional translation, but gives you a good idea about what took place there. That he wore a Totenkopf Ring to apparently provoke the politicians in his home town, with whom he had had a dispute over enforcement of the death penalty, suggests that he knows full well that the Totenkopf can be perceived as a Nazi symbol.(Gigax is known to have been dealing in Nazi-themed jewelry with all sorts of Nazi symbols.)

And an Austrian reference makes for good atmosphere:“I love this wind: It reminds me of Austria, very nice”, intoned the Governor once in an appearance near Sacramento, who since 1983 has had dual US-Austrian citizenship. But, in relation to his homeland, as with other themes, Arnold Schwarzenegger shows himself to be contradictory, even opportunistic. That is exactly what makes him an able populist and successful political strategist. His current popularity ratings shows that this calculation is valid: sixty percent of the Californians think he is doing a good Job.(I wonder if that rating still holds true.)

Schwarzenegger deals with Austria’s Nazi past with contradictions. Over the years he has sent strong signals in the direction of the Left as well as the Right. From an Austrian perspective he has sometimes acted exemplarily relative to the history of his homeland as well as that of his father....he asked the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles to cast light on the past of his father, who died in 1972 and who was a member of the Nazi Party as it came to be publicly known in 2003.

In the year 2003 in the middle of the California election campaign some telling passages in interviews for the Film “Pumping Iron” appeared.“I have always dreamed of very powerful men”, said the, at that time, bodybuilder in the clips. Of dictators –“I was always impressed by men that were remembered centuries or as with Jesus even for thousands of years.” And further in the cut parts of the film is he said to have given expression to his apparent admiration for Hitler.(JMK has often expressed his admiration for just such powerful men -- leaders such as Adolph Hitler.)

I thought it might be of interest to take a look at the similarities in the interests of Schwarzenegger, Gigax, and John Mark Karr -- all apparent Nazi sympathizers.

Although it is true that this does not link Karr to the murder of JonBenet, it can show his interest in the Nazi movement in America and the possibility of his belonging to Nazi affiliated groups and a possible connection between him and Gigax.

Old South

AOL

#17 Jun 26, 2011
Barb wrote:
OS, there is now a special forum just for morons. This forum is now officially only for those who are convinced the rs may not be guilty. Go join your hats over there.
Oh? I didn't know you owned this forum. Shall I tell you what you can do? But I think I won't since you might enjoy it.
Lynette

Germiston, South Africa

#19 Jun 27, 2011
Barb wrote:

23 MR. KANE: Let's get down to the
24 bottom line of this. We're down here
25 purportedly because Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey want
0217
1 to solve the murder of their daughter. To
2 get to that point, there is one prosecuting
3 authority that's got any -- that's got any
4 say in who gets prosecuted and when they get
5 prosecuted, and that's the Boulder Police and
6 the Boulder D.A.
7 Now, unless we get beyond Mr. and
8 Mrs. Ramsey, we are never going to get to
9 the end of this case. And if the purpose,
10 if your purpose in objecting is because you
11 don't want to answer any questions that might
12 reflect badly on them, well, then just simply
13 state it. But if the purpose --
14 MR. WOOD: That is so, pardon my
15 language, asinine, Michael.
16 MR. KANE: Then why are you not
17 letting, why are you throwing up these
18 artificial barriers?
19 MR. WOOD: No, sir.
20 MR. KANE: That is what you are
21 doing.
22 MR. WOOD: When you are finished,
23 then I'll respond. You let me know when you
24 are finished.
25 MR. KANE: You are throwing up an
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1 artificial barrier to a simple question.
2 MR. WOOD: You are misrepresenting
Do you think John and Patsy Ramsey
8 had tough moments because they would have
9 been devastated by the death of their
10 daughter?
11 A. They certainly may have.
12 Q. Page 48, the first full paragraph.
13 "John was overheard to ask someone quietly,
14 'Did you get my golf bag?'" Did I read that
15 correctly?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Who overheard him ask that
18 question?
19 A. I believe that was either John or
20 Barbara Fernie.
21 Q. Who did they overhear him ask that
22 question to? Who was the someone?
23 A. They could not identify that
24 party.
25 Q. And when did that statement, was
1 it allegedly made?
2 A. The did you get my golf bag
3 statement?
4 Q. Yeah.
5 A. I think in the days following the
6 murder.
7 Q. Do you know how many days after
8 the murder?
9 A. No.
10 Q. And was there ever any concern in
Thanks for the interesting post, Barb. Another great example of hearsay without solid evidence implying Ramsey "guilt".

The Fernie's allegedly overheard John ask "someone" about his golf bag, but no one knows exactly who that "someone" was because obviously no one ever bothered to question the Fernies to find out. Perhaps that question was never asked of "someone" at all.
Biz

New Port Richey, FL

#20 Jun 27, 2011
WHAT wrote:
Are you people nuts ??
Nazi cults ??
OMG !!
Try googling phrases from the RN along with the word nazi or Third Reich. You will be amazed at how much they have in common. This is the way they talk. Who else would sign a letter "Victory!"
It's not as "out there" as you might think. Some linguists have suggested a militia overtone to the RN
Biz

New Port Richey, FL

#21 Jun 27, 2011
roguenations wrote:
Did JMK know Marilyn Manson personally or was he just a fan? I do remember reading somewhere JMK was a huge fan. Marilyn Manson is also a huge Nazi.
http://raumfahrer.wordpress.com/smileyfacemur...
I think you meant "Charlie" Manson, not Marilyn. He was a fan of goth at one time so he might be into Marilyn Manson too though.

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