Was JonBenet Ramsey a Victim of Child...

Was JonBenet Ramsey a Victim of Child Pornography, Satanic Ritual Abuse Ring?

There are 39 comments on the The Ellis County Observer story from Dec 9, 2011, titled Was JonBenet Ramsey a Victim of Child Pornography, Satanic Ritual Abuse Ring?. In it, The Ellis County Observer reports that:

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M Michigan

Detroit, MI

#1 Dec 9, 2011
We are from Flint Michigan:

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“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#2 Dec 9, 2011
Patsy sacrificed JonBenet. No one else was involved, no rings, no cults, no Satanism, no pentagrams, no candles, no crystals, just arts and craft supplies.
pinker

Elkhorn, WI

#3 Dec 10, 2011
JonBenet was sexually exploited by her mother who colored her hair and entered her in child beauty pageants. These contests were competitions between adults to see which parent could make their child look and behave like anything but a little girl; like a woman.

Any pictures were commissioned by her mother or taken on stage at the pageants. Patsy Ramsey coached JonBenet and paid for lessons explicitly to make her actions appear far older than her delicate years. The pageant judges donít want to watch a 5 year-old pour pretend tea for a teddy bear. Their votes are reserved for children that show skin and shake their booty, watch an episode of Toddlerís & Tiaras. These judges show serious tendencies towards pedophilia and should be investigated.

JonBenet did suffer ritual abuse at the hands of Patsy. From all accounts and images it appears Patsy artificially colored and bleached JonBenetís hair from the time she was 4 until her death. That would be every few months, a repeated episode of planned torture. Patsy had JonBenetís hair cut into a bob when she was 3 because JonBenet fought just when she tried to brush out the tangles, imagine the horror when Patsy applied caustic chemicals to her scalp...

I consider the sexual exploitation abuse but many donít, the world is fastly changing...

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#4 Dec 10, 2011
I agree about the pageants as I have said over the years. Pageants for children of that age, with the conditions they allow IMO is abuse

That said, IMO, I don't believe the pageants have anything to do with this crime, but overall, pageants for children that involve the kind of displays that we have seen both with JBR and currently on the media are abusive and should be outlawed, or at the very least new rules applied

No alterations of any kind should be allowed at that age
pinker

Elkhorn, WI

#5 Dec 10, 2011
I agree pageants themselves had no specific relationship with JonBenet's death that night... But they did affect JonBenet, her developing identity, personality and ego and how she reacted to situations... and what happened to that child... appears somebody was angry with her behavior.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#6 Dec 10, 2011
Since nobody here actually knew her, and we can only rely on what other people have said about her, that may or may not be so, but for purposes of the case, I personally believe that what happened that night was accidental and that a cover up ensued

It's hard to find any six year old who isn't a brat and impossible from time to time and I'm sure JBR was no different, but IMO, the death was accidental and covered up with the crime scene staged

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#7 Dec 10, 2011
ritual n. 1. an established or prescribed proceedure for a religious or other rite.

rite. n. 1. a forml or ceremonial act or proceedure prescribed or customary in religious or other solemn use.

torture n. v. 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, esp. as a means of punishment or coercion.

There is little to nothing ritualistic about the hair coloring which also does not meet the definition of torture.

hyperbole n. 1. obvious and intentional exageration.

Pinker's posts meet that definition.

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#8 Dec 10, 2011
Capricorn wrote:
the death was accidental and covered up with the crime scene staged
Then please provide the evidence of an accident and the evidence of staging.

Here is an example of evidence:

Patsy painted in oil, acrylic and watercolor.
Her art supplies are mentioned in the investigation of and used in the crime.
JonBenet's pageant costumes were likely Patsy's expression as were the gestures.
Patsy put JonBenet in many 'artistic' photo shoots.

My conclusion from this evidence is Patsy used JonBenet as an object with which she expressed herself.

There is physical evidence and there is the deriving of behavior patterns from that evidence. There is a difference between the two.
coldcase

South Point, OH

#10 Dec 10, 2011
BrotherMoon wrote:
Patsy sacrificed JonBenet. No one else was involved, no rings, no cults, no Satanism, no pentagrams, no candles, no crystals, just arts and craft supplies.
jonbenet had a bed weating problem..this could cause a mother to say thats it thats about enough...when an artist break their brush that means i give up...patsy was on prozac..and jonbenet wanted to stand inside the star that night..their was a star on her tzut..

how creative kill your daughter with your crafts supplies..how kneat...
pinker

Elkhorn, WI

#13 Dec 10, 2011
Perfect strangers are more interested in finding justice for JonBenet than her own family.
pinker

Elkhorn, WI

#15 Dec 11, 2011
It's John Ramsey and his attorneys that conspired with Alex Hunter to cover up an accident.

Patsy too, but it's hard to convict dead people.

Since: Sep 11

Boksburg, South Africa

#18 Dec 13, 2011
pinker wrote:
It's John Ramsey and his attorneys that conspired with Alex Hunter to cover up an accident.
Patsy too, but it's hard to convict dead people.
More NOBAR victims for your attention, SEUSS.

Since: Sep 11

Boksburg, South Africa

#19 Dec 13, 2011
Was JonBenet a victim of child pornography? Here's a link that provides some food for thought.

http://evanravitz.com/ramsey/guest.htm

"Colorado Revised Statute 16-5-204 (l) states "Any person may approach the prosecuting attorney or the grand jury and request to testify or retestify in an inquiry before a grand jury or to appear before a grand jury." Dr. McFarland and I, after discovering that Dr. McFarland's mailings to the jury foreman had been intercepted, sent material directly to jury members at their homes on June 28. For thus exercising our right under Colorado law to "approach" our fellow citizens the grand jury, we were threatened with prosecution for Contempt of Court! And ridiculed by editor Hartman of the Boulder Daily Camera.

The substance of our testimony to the police and what we still want investigated is what it seems Hunter most wanted to avoid: the possibility that accused pedophiles in very high places in Boulder -we suggested two names- had both motive and means to de-rail the investigation in the first hours, possibly by calling off the FBI. The motive would be to keep the wide-ranging spotlight of a media case like this away from people like themselves, whether they were involved or not.

Normally, the FBI would immediately assume jurisdiction over an apparent kidnapping by "a small foreign faction" (so read the "ransom note") of the child of a Defense contractor executive.(Lockheed-Martin owned Access Graphics.) Detective Linda Arndt has stated that she asked for the FBI and police backup before she even arrived at the Ramsey home and was told no. This left her unable to control a crime scene filled with suspects and their friends. When she repeated her request she was told everyone was in a meeting. Why would police administration repeatedly refuse to provide backup and FBI assistance in such circumstances?

[The camera edited out this paragraph:] "Tom Wickman made another curious comment to Dr. McFarland and I, and independently to Stephen Singular, author of "Presumed Guilty: An Investigation into the JonBenet Ramsey Case, the Media, and the Culture of Pornography" (on page 217). Tom said that once he was "getting close" to arresting a Boulder City Council member, but had been told to "back off." Since Tom was legally prohibited from giving us any clues about the Ramsey investigation, I feel he was repeatedly drawing an analogy, by way of saying that he'd heard the pedophile-coverup story before and had been told to back off from investigating that."
Biz

New Port Richey, FL

#25 Dec 13, 2011
All of the RDI's sound like a bunch of nutcases! Hopefully sane people with some intelligence will see that. Pentagrams, hair bleaching, arts and crafts? That's just crazy. This woman had nothing but an explemplar reputation as a mother, a church leader and community giver. Some evil person came into that home that night 15 years ago and tortured this little girl right under her parents noses as they slept. Sure they feel guilt. Guilt for not waking up just like any parent would. Guilt for being so naive and not securing the house better. This person or persons either wanted revenge or they wanted JBR for themselves. This is a very rare breed of criminal or a combination of a few perps with different agendas. A sadistic vengeful pedophile.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#26 Dec 13, 2011
Biz wrote:
All of the RDI's sound like a bunch of nutcases! Hopefully sane people with some intelligence will see that. Pentagrams, hair bleaching, arts and crafts? That's just crazy. This woman had nothing but an explemplar reputation as a mother, a church leader and community giver. Some evil person came into that home that night 15 years ago and tortured this little girl right under her parents noses as they slept. Sure they feel guilt. Guilt for not waking up just like any parent would. Guilt for being so naive and not securing the house better. This person or persons either wanted revenge or they wanted JBR for themselves. This is a very rare breed of criminal or a combination of a few perps with different agendas. A sadistic vengeful pedophile.
Hi again biz,

I asked on the other thread but I guess you haven't seen it

You keep saying a sadistic, vengeful pedophile committed this crime and claim that that assertion is backed up by experts

I asked which experts claim that it was a sadistic pedophile in this case and you haven't responded yet

Was that an oversight or is it just your personal opinion and you don't want to admit it?

An answer would be polite
pinker

Elkhorn, WI

#27 Dec 13, 2011
Biz wrote:
All of the RDI's sound like a bunch of nutcases! Hopefully sane people with some intelligence will see that. Pentagrams, hair bleaching, arts and crafts? That's just crazy. This woman had nothing but an explemplar reputation as a mother, a church leader and community giver. Some evil person came into that home that night 15 years ago and tortured this little girl right under her parents noses as they slept. Sure they feel guilt. Guilt for not waking up just like any parent would. Guilt for being so naive and not securing the house better. This person or persons either wanted revenge or they wanted JBR for themselves. This is a very rare breed of criminal or a combination of a few perps with different agendas. A sadistic vengeful pedophile.
You are naive if you think a sadistic pedophile tortured JonBenet. There are plenty of documented cases of such torture victims and these truely abused children have rips and tears to their genitals and anus needing multiple reconstructive surgeries. It appears JonBenet had Patsy's paint brush stuck up her once.

The BTK killer was a church deacon and plenty of convicted murderers appear as good church going folk. If Patsy was so religious why was she asking Jesus to help her in the 911 call when it was Jonbenet who's life was in jeopardy?

Patsy was a fruitcake. Please post a link to a video of a mother bleaching the hair of a kid under six.

Since: May 11

Seattle, WA

#28 Dec 13, 2011
Biz wrote:
All of the RDI's sound like a bunch of nutcases! Hopefully sane people with some intelligence will see that. Pentagrams, hair bleaching, arts and crafts? That's just crazy. This woman had nothing but an explemplar reputation as a mother, a church leader and community giver. Some evil person came into that home that night 15 years ago and tortured this little girl right under her parents noses as they slept. Sure they feel guilt. Guilt for not waking up just like any parent would. Guilt for being so naive and not securing the house better. This person or persons either wanted revenge or they wanted JBR for themselves. This is a very rare breed of criminal or a combination of a few perps with different agendas. A sadistic vengeful pedophile.
A church leader? Really? Which church did she lead, Biz?
Charlie Chan

Lihue, HI

#29 Dec 13, 2011
While JB might have been psychologically abused, by having to participate in pageants, there is no evidence whatsoever of her involvement in child porography,

I would have to say NO, she was not, and I think Thomas was right about her being killed in a fit of rage, probably for bed wetting.

Since: May 11

Seattle, WA

#30 Dec 13, 2011
realTopaz wrote:
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A church leader? Really? Which church did she lead, Biz?
Hey Biz, instead of giving me lightbulbs, how about an answer? LOL WHICH church did Patsy "lead"?

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#31 Dec 13, 2011
realTopaz wrote:
<quoted text>
A church leader? Really? Which church did she lead, Biz?
I would surely be interested to hear THAT answer, LMAO!

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